Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-04-05 Thread Thomas Krichel
Sarven Capadisli writes > By persistency, I assume you mean archival ie. a source deemed to be > trustable as it promises to preserve knowledge for long-term. Along the > lines of [1]. Yes. > Isn't archiving an independent and an external function that any actor > should have read-write acce

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-04-01 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:04 AM Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > Dear > > Your example is completely right. For me today, one of the biggest problem > hindering the progress to find a cure for the covid19 disease is related to > copyright. I would therefore like to search for all articles that match > "

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-04-01 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Dear Your example is completely right. For me today, one of the biggest problem hindering the progress to find a cure for the covid19 disease is related to copyright. I would therefore like to search for all articles that match "copyright" and "disease", or "copyright" and "virus" or "copyright" a

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-04-01 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Here's another example of how you cannot predict what the COVID19 epidemic needs: >There seems to be quite a lot of literature that cationic surfaces (polymeric or inorganics) are good to deal with viruses. Folks have seen this with several materials with a high isoelectric point (Al, ZrO2..) and

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-04-01 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 6:34 AM Thomas Krichel wrote: > brent...@uliege.be writes > > In practice, I doubt that access to current research is such a big > issue "NOW" as libraries and open access advocates make it appear to > be. The average academic only reads about one hour a week. In m

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-04-01 Thread Sarven Capadisli
On 01/04/2020 01.12, Thomas Krichel wrote: > Sarven Capadisli writes > >> Does the "the right way" to contribute to scientific communication in >> context of OA require the use of (non- or for-profit) third-party >> services as opposed to self-publishing? > > Yes, it does > >> If so, why? >

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-04-01 Thread BAUIN Serge
t;> Objet : Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge Sorry that this has become confrontational, but I think it's important that we are not drawn into this idea that Elsevier is part of a community. It is not. It is a ruthless commercial organization which, over the 15 years I have had to

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Thomas Krichel
brent...@uliege.be writes > In other words - and even if we restrict our thinking to COVID-19 - > what humankind needs urgently NOW, is an open access to all the > relevant research literature in a much wider domain than just that > of this virus. Very simply, to all the scholarly literature.

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Thomas Krichel
Jean-Claude Guédon writes > The right way to go is OA free for authors and for readers, which means that > it must be subsidized. But that is all right because scientific research is > subsidized and scientific communication is an integral part of scientific > research (and it costs only 1% of t

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Thomas Krichel
Sarven Capadisli writes > Does the "the right way" to contribute to scientific communication in > context of OA require the use of (non- or for-profit) third-party > services as opposed to self-publishing? Yes, it does > If so, why? because there needs to be persistency to the published o

[GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge: recommending a positive approach

2020-03-31 Thread Heather Morrison
COVID-19 is a pandemic that is in the process of infecting and killing many people around the world. The immediate priority needs to be slowing the spread, understanding the virus, finding treatments and a vaccine. COVID-19 is also an opportune case study in areas relating to open access and sh

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Lovely response, Peter. And, yes, let us remember the example set by Latin America, and in particular by Amelica. They are now the true leaders of open access. Incidentally, everyone should read this: https://src-online.ca/index.php/src/article/view/347. It is an important  article co-authore

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
community we all need to fight this bug. There is time for theory, other for actions. Cordially Éric *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org on behalf of Jean-Claude Guédon *Sent:* March 31, 2020 11:17 AM *To:* goal@ep

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Sorry that this has become confrontational, but I think it's important that we are not drawn into this idea that Elsevier is part of a community. It is not. It is a ruthless commercial organization which, over the 15 years I have had to deal with it has tried every trick in the book to make it diff

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Sarven Capadisli
Does the "the right way" to contribute to scientific communication in context of OA require the use of (non- or for-profit) third-party services as opposed to self-publishing? If so, why? -Sarven https://csarven.ca/#i On 31/03/2020 17.17, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote: > I also strongly agree with Pet

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread brentier
l-boun...@eprints.org On Behalf Of Peter > Murray-Rust > Sent: March 30, 2020 12:45 PM > To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) > Subject: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge > > We've launched a site https://github.com/petermr/openVirus to search the > wh

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux
Dear Mr Archambault, As far as I consider, today it is rather clear : the solution to find ways to cure and protect the world from vaccine (not only the coronavirus that infect us today) will *only* come from novel ideas, that will be most probably found outside of the limited fiel of "corona

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Éric Archambault
lf of Jean-Claude Guédon Sent: March 31, 2020 11:17 AM To: goal@eprints.org Subject: Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge I also strongly agree with Peter. As for Éric Archambault, it is simply a pity to see greed trump principles. One last note: OA will succeed, despite what Stevan says. L

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:21 PM Jean-Claude Guédon < jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca> wrote: > > One last note: OA will succeed, despite what Stevan says. Let us shape OA > the right way, and certainly not in the way supported by Elsevier: in their > view, OA is a "charitable" gesture that is appl

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
I also strongly agree with Peter. As for Éric Archambault, it is simply a pity to see greed trump principles. One last note: OA will succeed, despite what Stevan says. Let us shape OA the right way, and certainly not in the way supported by Elsevier: in their view, OA is a "charitable" gesture

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-31 Thread Stevan Harnad
I agree with Peter. Eric has gone over to the devil. This is a shameful time for token measures. Covid-19 is a litmus test for disclosing who are going all out for the public good and who are in it for themselves. OA used to be for the sake of scientific and scholarly research -- an abstr

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 7:48 PM Éric Archambault < eric.archamba...@science-metrix.com> wrote: > Peter, > > > > Two months ago, that is, on January 27, we started work at Elsevier to > make available as much as possible of the scholarly literature on > coronavirus research easily discoverable and

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-30 Thread Éric Archambault
0002-4422-1054> [cid:image002.png@01D60699.FE45D280] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericarchambault> From: goal-boun...@eprints.org On Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust Sent: March 30, 2020 12:45 PM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-30 Thread Stevan Harnad
Bravo for this initiative, Peter! -- Stevan > On Mar 30, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote: > > We've launched a site > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fpetermr%2FopenVirus&data=01%7C01%7C%7Cf53891ffaa584aaf561b08d7d4d5a1b0%7C4a5378f929f44d

[GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge

2020-03-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
We've launched a site https://github.com/petermr/openVirus to search the whole open literature for content which could help tackle the pandemic. We're looking for volunteers (tech, biblio/library, documenters to help). Background = It's now clear that knowledge is one of the key tools in