Re: [google-appengine] Re: The Amazing Story Of Appengine And The Two Orders Of Magnitude

BTW, I really like the blog post Emlyn. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Alfred Fuller < arfuller+appeng...@google.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:23 AM, johnP wrote: > >> >> Which leads to a potential constructive suggestion. Maybe Goog can >> post a troubleshooting guide that lists

[google-appengine] Re: calling /_ah/warmup is bad under new price model?

I would think your mad to use a framework with a typical startup time for an app instance of 10 secs if your only going to serve 100 requests a day. As I said the value of /_ah/warmup depends on the situation. Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[google-appengine] Re: Is Google killing GAE?

I'm not sure I've seen any mention that the price won't be dropped at *all*in the future, just that they aren't planning any price drops in the near future. Pretty much every industry plays upon peoples' lack of knowledge! At the end of the day, companies who do their research will go for the

[google-appengine] Re: how to reindex a property that once set to indexed = false?

Under the old model it would have been a wash. In fact in the original app engine it would have been worse since it would have required a composite index. Under the new model querying on the user and password should be cheaper, but you really won't notice it unless you're getting a lot of bad p

[google-appengine] Re: Index writes and the new pricing structure

I am also interested in this, I see in the new billing summary that I have a huge number of "small operations" but can't fathom how that is possible based on the docs (key only queries, and id allocation are the only ones mentioned) yet I know there must be something else there, and I was wonde

Re: [google-appengine] Re: how to reindex a property that once set to indexed = false?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:42 PM, saintthor wrote: > the password was hashed. > > i think to query name and password together may take less db ops if > password is wrong. isn't it? > The number of operations is the same; fewer entities would be returned. In return, though, you're incurring an extr

[google-appengine] Re: calling /_ah/warmup is bad under new price model?

I think it is totally useless now. It conflicts with "number s of idles instances" setting. Tim Hoffman wrote: > I would think your mad to use a framework with a typical startup time for an > app instance > of 10 secs if your only going to serve 100 requests a day. > > As I said the value of /_ah/

[google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month

Hi Andrin, have you tried the Max Idle Instances knob? If you set it to 1 for example you will only be billed for the instances that are used + 1 idle instance. On Sep 5, 10:11 am, Andrin von Rechenberg wrote: > Hi there > > We are running a Python GAE service called MiuMeet. > > The current cos

[google-appengine] Re: How changing the scheduler decreased my estimated bill

As a result what is the change of the overall price? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/XAZP5eaZT1QJ. To post to this group, send emai

[google-appengine] Re: GAE pricing is not suited for smaller apps

I am certainly willing to pay more for all-in-one product. And it's especially important early on, on smaller projects and start-ups. With GAE you only need to worry about building your app. Costs of hiring someone to maintain servers, worry about load balancer, patching etc are huge for a smaller

[google-appengine] Re: How changing the scheduler decreased my estimated bill

With the changed instance knob I only seeing a 45% price increase compared to the current price. There is still some room if I take a look at the datastore write ops. I use some very inefficient code that is writing way too many indexes. If I get my price increase to something near 30% I'll ditch m

[google-appengine] Google's Strategy with the New Pricing Scheme

Hi there We are a bit confused. From all the threads we see on this mailing list it seems that it is expensive to run small applications on GAE in practice and that many small developers are turning away from GAE (see note 1). We are not a small developer. Our monthly cost will go from $10'000 to

Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month

That wont help in our case. As I tried to explain before, we need 200 instances if we serve 240 qps at 800 ms. (240qps * 0.8s = ~200 instances). 75% of the time they are idle, waiting for rpc responses (mostly datastore) in order to handle the current response. So they need to be running and can't

[google-appengine] Re: Is Google killing GAE?

Most likely when the cloud service market matures we will see a drop in prices. It's just that I want Google to be ahead of the curve and offer super competitive prices with the new pricing model. I'll bet the profit margins in cloud services today are enormous compared to more mature markets s

[google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month

If you take a look to you dashboards instance chart: You will be billed for Active Instances + Max Idle Instances. See this post: http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/727f420db5b111cc On Sep 5, 10:49 am, Andrin von Rechenberg wrote: > That wont help in our case. A

[google-appengine] Re: Google App Engine Leaving Preview

You must increase it past your current authorized weekly limit so that you are taken to Google Checkout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appen

[google-appengine] Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

Hey everyone. Is there a possibility to change the billing behavior in Google App Engine. With our account App Engine currently bills every week from our credit card. Because our business is in Germany this is an international payment wich costs at least 1.50 € per billing. This makes a total of 6

[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

Same here, in France. May be we could have some monthly billing ? Francois -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/TInpbE67F0cJ. To post

[google-appengine] Fear of Deleting Indices

Hello, So I'm pretty sure I have some useless indices, so I removed them from index.yaml and run dev_apserver with --require_indices and see that I get no errors. I then deployed a new version with the pruned index.yaml and diverted traffic to it for a few minutes to see if all went well - no

[google-appengine] Re: Is Google killing GAE?

Those numbers will likely change very soon. If they make some adjustments to the scheduler then GAE becomes much cheaper than AC2. Also the android development community is growing fast, very fast. Google may not own the mobile/pad market but the serverside software will need a place to run. --

[google-appengine] Pls provide "avg latency" on current load dashboard, instead of the now unimportant "avg CPU time"

For those who are battling with trying to minimize the cost of instances, maybe it would be an idea to replace the "Avg CPU (API)" with "Avg latency" on the "Current load" main dashboard. Then it would be possible for us to see which requests serve with long latency, and hence minimize or optim

[google-appengine] Re: Pls provide "avg latency" on current load dashboard, instead of the now unimportant "avg CPU time"

+ avg datastore read/write ops Bay schrieb: > For those who are battling with trying to minimize the cost of instances, > maybe it would be an idea to replace the "Avg CPU (API)" with "Avg latency" > on the "Current load" main dashboard. > > Then it would be possible for us to see which requests s

Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month

The graph of instances is very confusing to me as neither line seems to correspond to the number of instances running, or running with > 0 qps, try playing with those instance "knobs" they can dramatically effect instance count, but for a high qps app like yours, I don't think you will see a dr

Re: [google-appengine] Google's Strategy with the New Pricing Scheme

on the lighter note, man, I wish my app cost $1/month to run. ;) what are you using ? java or python ? On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Andrin von Rechenberg wrote: > Hi there > > We are a bit confused. From all the threads we see on this mailing list > it seems that it is expensive to run sm

[google-appengine] Re: A suggestion: open-source the scheduler

This needs to happen. From what I see, it is broken and it is going to result in people paying more. I want to know why new instances are being started, especially if they are going to sit idle for 15 minutes after serving just 1 request. I am seeing instances startup for no reason. Even when set

[google-appengine] Hi How to Send Email Locally(Localhost)

HI , I want to send email . if i send email locally(localhost) , its not working. But its working when app on server. Here is the code i used in my apps Message msg = new MimeMessage(session); msg.setFrom(new InternetAddress("x...@gmail.com")); msg.addRecipient(Messa

[google-appengine] Re: Small enty level VPS and cloud based services v appengine

As far as I know using memcache is free. What are these RPC quotas that you speak of? On Sep 5, 2:00 am, Tim Hoffman wrote: > Hi Strom > > Yep, though accessing it counts in rpc quotas. > I tried to keep the stack really small ;-) > > Honestly you can't compare any VPS with appengine feature wise

Re: [google-appengine] A suggestion: open-source the scheduler

You should fill a feature request here: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Feature%20request On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Sergey Schetinin wrote: > Seeing how scheduler has some problems and everyone's bill depends on > how well it does its job, I think it would be

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

I'm not leaving yet but I'll if the scheduler doesn't let me choose how many Instances I want. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Joshua Smith wrote: > I'm not leaving GAE, but in the comments on a RWW article, I saw that the > AppScale folks ( http://appscale.cs.ucsb.edu/ ) seem to be trolling for

Re: [google-appengine] Re: A suggestion: open-source the scheduler

New instances are being started to ensure that your application could scale instantly on traffic spikes, this was already the behavior of the scheduler before the new pricing model was announced. You will find more details about the scaling formula and the behavior of the scheduler in this Google

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Roch do you see some pbs with your app and the new instances model? Pascal On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Roch Delsalle wrote: > I'm not leaving yet but I'll if the scheduler doesn't let me choose how > many Instances I want. > > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Joshua Smith wrote: > >> I'm n

Re: [google-appengine] A suggestion: open-source the scheduler

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5784 On 5 September 2011 15:04, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > You should fill a feature request here: > http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Feature%20request > > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Sergey Schetinin wro

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Small enty level VPS and cloud based services v appengine

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Adam Sah wrote: > I'd be **very** interested to see someone setup TyphoonAE on a VPS and > compare true cost-- it would be hilarious if TyphoonAE+VPS beat GAE native. Surely that is not that far fetched? Esp. if you only count the cost of the VPS itself, not the ti

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

You should be able to control the number of instances by using new performance settings in "Application Settings > Performance": "Min Pending Latency" allows you to maximize existing instance usage over new instance creation at the expense of potential increased latency: The scheduler will rather

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Pls provide "avg latency" on current load dashboard, instead of the now unimportant "avg CPU time"

I encourage you to fill a feature request for that: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Feature%20request On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Philip wrote: > + avg datastore read/write ops > > Bay schrieb: >> For those who are battling with trying to minimize the cost of i

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

I encourage you to fill a feature request for that: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Feature%20request On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Francois Masurel wrote: > Same here, in France. > May be we could have some monthly billing ? > Francois > > -- > You received this

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

I am crying and leaving as well.. the costs jump from $12 to $180 per month is ridiculous. I built a platform which was cheap to host in GAE and was selling it to customers over the year. Its CPU and Datastore intensive (does request every second by using cron and task queue all the time). Now wi

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Yes, Thanks for your explanations, What If I want my app to remain under a fixed amount of instances whatever spike happen ? On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > You should be able to control the number of instances by using new > performance settings in "Application Setting

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Hi Johan, The problem seems to be that a lot of people would like to be able to specify that there are no idle instances. i.e. Max idle instances is zero. These are small applications whose current QPS will not require more than one instance; in fact the owners would like to ensure that the

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Bumping Min-Pending latency should instruct the scheduler to wait for existing instances to be available rather than spinning an additional instance. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Roch Delsalle wrote: > Yes, Thanks for your explanations, > What If I want my app to remain under a fixed amount of

[google-appengine] Re: Scheduler Oddities

It looks like we are being charged at the higher rate of 30-35 instance hours / hour even though only ~10 are active at a time and max-idle is set to 5. Although it's still hard to tell as we're behind ~5 days in billing history summaries. Is the current scheduler going to be changed before new-b

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Small enty level VPS and cloud based services v appengine

HI Barry Totally agree. Those are the costs that the spreadsheet is ignoring amongst other things. On the face of it, for small apps the actual base hosting cost of appengine vs the other solutions are all in the same ball park. Statements like appengine is no good for small apps is probabl

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

A feature request has already been filled to be able to set Max-Idle-Instance to 0: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5764 This issue has been escalated to the engineering team, and I will update the bug report once I have any update from them. I found the following issue

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Scheduler Oddities

You should never be charged for more than: Active Instance + Max Idle instances, even if the scheduler keeps more than Max Idle instances around. Setting Min-Pending-Latency to 60ms instruct the scheduler to wait at least 60ms if all the instances are busy before deciding to spawn a new instance f

[google-appengine] Re: Scheduler Oddities

I agree that we shouldn't be, it just seems that we are. I'll just have to wait for more days to show up in Billing History where I have screenshots of the dashboard available to compare against. Frustrating to have to wait 5 days to see what something is going to be billed at. We have basically

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Hmm, the first one looks good. I was certain that someone mentioned that the scheduler / min-pending latency issue had been raised as well. I'll dig through the posts this evening to try and locate it. >From my own experience, I'm got the following setup for a Java H/R application: *Min idle

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Scheduler Oddities

The Max Idle instances slider help text states: *You will not be charged for instances over the specified maximum* So if you are, it is a billing bug and you should ask a refund. Feel free to a production issue with your application id if you want us to track the instance inconsistencies for you

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Thanks I have stared the first issue. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Johan Euphrosine wrote: > A feature request has already been filled to be able to set > Max-Idle-Instance to 0: > http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5764 > > This issue has been escalated to the engineer

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Hmm, got the min and max the wrong way round on the idle instances and pending latency settings! Also, the production issue I was referring to seems to be a bit more generic and is issue 5765 -- You received this message because

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Hi Simon, It is difficult to says without taking a look at your application console, given how long it takes to load a new instance for your application, the scheduler might "guess" that it will likely take more than 15s to handle all incoming requests without spinning a new instance. Feel free t

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Yes, this issue has already been escalated to the engineering team. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Simon Knott wrote: > Hmm, got the min and max the wrong way round on the idle instances and > pending latency settings! > > Also, the production issue I was referring to seems to be a bit more gene

[google-appengine] Free apps + scheduler

I thought that this will obviously be possible, but given the recent events I don't want to assume anything. Here's a very specific question about the scheduler: is there a way to make sure a free app does not go above free instance-hours quota? The datastore and other free quotas are a non-issue

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

In fact, the feature request already exists : http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1999 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-a

[google-appengine] Re: Google Checkout + Credit Card Fees

Thank you. I starred the issue. On Sep 5, 4:47 pm, Francois Masurel wrote: > In fact, the feature request already exists : > > http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1999 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group.

[google-appengine] Re: calling /_ah/warmup is bad under new price model?

It is not useless. It does the exact same thing it did before, gets your instances hot so that they can serve user facing traffic as quickly as possible (without the startup overhead). Making your code perform well and it's cost are no longer aligned under the new pricing. On Sep 5, 3:04 am, Tap

[google-appengine] Scheduler keeps making too many instances

Following the huge price increase I have been forced to immediately disable my iPhone stats website (details here: http://i.smte.ch/b/35001 ) . I set the pending latency to 300 ms. (yes three hundred ms) and the max idle instances to ONE. Yet when I look at my instances I see three instances: htt

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

Thanks Johan. I'll raise an issue, if only to get someone to say "This is working as intended" or not! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appe

[google-appengine] Re: CPU limits per request

Nick said: "Although the latter [1000 ms limit] may still be in place when we switch over to the new billing, I would expect we will increase or remove it over time" Request: Can you keep us an updated about the 1000 ms limit: a) That you do commit to removing it, and b) Time Frame for its removal

[google-appengine] Re: Free apps + scheduler

I suggested to add adjustment period after switching to new pricing (in #appengine) and was directed to file a feature request. Here it is: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5786 The new pricing is a big change and some behavior of the scheduler and other components that w

[google-appengine] Re: Scheduler keeps making too many instances

PS: Just in case someone from Google looks at my app (smalltechads.appspot.com) I have just uploaded a new version that replaces the /log file with a static file. Does serving static files use instances as well or is this different? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [google-appengine] Another HR Refactoring Issue - When to clear a cache?

How do I do a consistent get with a query? I thought that there was no way to do a query that was guaranteed to get the lastest. Did I miss something in the docs? The code that builds the HTML fragment I'm caching uses a couple queries like this: def getBoards(self): tid = self.id()

[google-appengine] Re: how to reindex a property that once set to indexed = false?

hash is enough for me. my site is not an e-bank. On 9月5日, 下午3时58分, Nick Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:42 PM, saintthor wrote: > > the password was hashed. > > > i think to query name and password together may take less db ops if > > password is wrong. isn't it? > > The number of oper

Re: [google-appengine] Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

I've raised issue 5787with further information. Thanks again for the prompt responses. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web vis

Re: 回覆：Re: [google-appengine] Data Transfer to AWS

Update on our progress: -Currently rather busy optimizing what we can on GAE as we can't take a $7,000 / mo bill until the transfer is complete and it's going to take a non-trivial amount of time to move. -Very app-specific, but our data is really broken out into two categories, configuration and

Re: [google-appengine] Re: New Pricing for high traffic apps - in our case 2x == ~$20'000 per month

It looks like you're getting hammered in the database and channel area since your instance charges are actually less than your old cpu charges, although maybe that's due to channels. I don't know anything about channels myself, maybe there's an optimization there or with the datastore access?

[google-appengine] New free Datastore backup tool announcement

Hello all! I'd like to introduce you to our newly released App Engine Datastore backup tool: DatastoreBackup. We all wanted it for a long time. Get it at: http://www.datastorebackup.com It can do incremental backups, compression and lots more. Go get it! Eli, http://www.datastorebackup.com --

[google-appengine] Re: Deployment hangs

Make sure it has enough memory, and if that doesn't help then restart Eclipse. My experience shows that Eclipse is not a 100% stable environment, and random issues may raise just like that. Eli, http://www.datastorebackup.com On Aug 29, 8:07 pm, User1231 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to deploy an

[google-appengine] Upload database using Java

How can upload a large table using Java? Im not familiar with python. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/XOu9BEcXu7IJ. To post to thi

[google-appengine] Migrating App Engine Applications

Hi, I'm experiencing some confusion trying to set up my app engine accounts. I have a google account (@gmail.com) where I have an application which I created to play around with App Engine. Now, I also own .com and, in trying to set that up, created a new google account george@.com. Now, I am

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Fileservice file.create() took to long to respond

Hi, I'm getting the same issue, started recently: The API call file.Create() took too long to respond and was cancelled. For http://trafficcam-fetcher.appspot.com. Thanks Raphael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view t

[google-appengine] Database Query

How can I execute a query that get all register that starts with something. In sql i can write "Select * from foo where colum1 like 'abc*' " How can I do this at app engine database? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post t

[google-appengine] Entity Casting

How can i cast entity type to my class type with java? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+u

Re: [google-appengine] UNBELIEVABLE NEW BILLING!! Google Please respond...

I started learning technology related to GAE (including it), now I see it is going beyond the common people's hand.. Need to think twice before investing my time... Thanks, Sudhindra On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:21 AM, smwatch wrote: > Is it really 10 times the original cost.!! Now we will be

[google-appengine] Re: Keep it short: Who is forced to leave GAE?

I too have an app designed and being developed with the Channel API. Seeing the new pricing plan, GAE is a no-go. It will be redesigned to run in AWS. My plan is to use Node.js for push. A single Node.js can support ~100K channels. Run multiple Node.js processes for further scaling. Run a Memb

[google-appengine] Google App Engine Instance Usages Faulty

Hi All, I like the rest of you have been hit hard with the recent announcement of price changes. I use a *java* based runtime in my servlet and* ~36hours of CPU time* in my appspot instance daily and the result comes out to around $3/day. The revised prices were coming out to be ~$23/day (this

[google-appengine] Re: How can I use app_identity to auth between two apps?

Indeed there is no way at this time to request the token for the scope of another app engine app. While this is a very valuable use case, it's also a tricky one. However there is another mechanism you can use--the same one used by datastore_admin to copy data between apps. In many situations, App

[google-appengine] Good business for Google!

Hi, Everyone on GAE, I guess after losing tons of money in the court, Google finally learned how to do business. If the pricing can be enforced within this short time period with ALARMING scale at their hands, what would commercially operating web service provides can do? The email totally blew my

[google-appengine] R: Quota debugger needed

+1 Great Idea! Create a ticket, I'll star it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/TYHKBjaVRjYJ. To post to this group, send email to g

[google-appengine] Re: A little bit more transparency

On Sep 1, 9:32 am, Philip wrote: > I would like to get some statistics about the average price increase > for python and java users to see if a multi threaded environment > really saves the day. Perfect question, python2.7-multithreading mantra sounds like "all will be ok, belive us, guys!" trick

[google-appengine] 1000% price increase

Our costs just went up 10x, from $120 per month to $1200. Even if we can tweak it to bring it down to 1/2 im still leaving and I wont be developing any more app engine apps. You are essentially charging AWS small instance prices per 30mb python process. Insane. This is bait and switch, plain and

[google-appengine] Re: New pricing will cost me over 500 $ monthly for my three sites... I am floored.

I'm going from 6 cent per day to 3 dollars a day. A 50x increase. $90 a month. Wow google, just wow. And that's with the 50% discount. Google really wants to kill this thing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this

[google-appengine] Blobstore for free custumers

In the current model blobstore is only on for users with billing turned on, but on this model you could just enable billing but if you stay under the limits it is still free. Can free users access blobstore on the new model or will const 9$ just for the abillity to use it? (even if the app uses

[google-appengine] Re: New pricing will cost me over 500 $ monthly for my three sites... I am floored.

Google's instance-hour is process-instance-hour whereas AWS's instance- hour is machine-instance-hour. Every process GAE spins up count as one instance-hour while you got the whole machine for a hour in AWS and you can spin up as many processes as the machine instance can handle. When multiple w

[google-appengine] Re: New pricing will cost me over 500 $ monthly for my three sites... I am floored.

Have your reliability issues been with HRD or M/S apps? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/TMkQV-BsI1YJ. To post to this group, send e

[google-appengine] Re: GAE Vs AWS for JAVA: Any points I should cover?

Brandon, I'm still doing my research on GAE and would love to see your vid when ready as well as your Blog(s) On Aug 30, 4:57 pm, "Brandon Wirtz" wrote: > I'm going to be doing a video and blog post about GAE vs AWS, in this case > specific to Java. > > Are there any points anyone thinks I shoul

[google-appengine] Re: Yet another billing post

Though the higher price is a big concern to me, losing trust to Google is a bigger thing. In what industry, you receive a price increase notice, which is 8x. It shows clearly that Google wants to make a good business out of it overnight. or GAE team is on big pressure to make money for whatever re

[google-appengine] "Always On" and new billing scheme

How will the "Always On" feature figure into the new billing scheme? I have a very low traffic app that requires the always on feature because otherwise my few users spend a very long time waiting for their requests to be filled. I just was horrified to see that I'll be paying about 7 times as mu

[google-appengine] HTTPS login

So from what I've read, in order to use HTTPS you have to send your users to http://app_name.appspot.com/. So, if a user logs in on the appspot.com domain, how will their login cookies get used on my domain name? If they login via HTTPS, do they then have to access my entire application via http://

[google-appengine] Code Lab Examples Broken?

I'm attempting to walk through the examples to provide some guidance for new Google App Engine developers here. As far as I can tell the latest examples are here: http://googcloudlabs.appspot.com/ Unfortunately even as early as Code Lab Exercise 1, following the instructions does not lead to a s

[google-appengine] About how many free page views per month with pricing?

Before, Google estimated that a well tuned app could get 5 million page views a month with the free quotas, but now that those quotas and what they're charging for are changing, does anyone have a new estimate of what we'll be getting for free? -- You received this message because you are subscri

[google-appengine] Re: UNBELIEVABLE NEW BILLING!! Google Please respond...

Please Google App Engine people, give us more time to tune our apps! 2 weeks is not long enough to make changes and see if the optimized versions will be good enough to not have to move to the paid option. I hadn't ever "*Manually Adjust the Scheduler in the Admin Console*" or "*Enable Concur

[google-appengine] Re: Why I will Likely Be Leaving GAE (30x increase in Price)

I'm confused. How does it jump from 14 hours to 513 hours? And how does stored data jump from 0 to 13GB in datastore? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg

[google-appengine] geographic expansion in plan or just price increase?

Have used gae for commercial purpose in South Korea. The latency is about 0.5 second or 500ms and couldn't make it usable with various image loading so that separate hosting for images was used. Though there is a feature request on this issue, it seems that no progress is being made at all. Today

[google-appengine] Re: New appengine pricing

i'm sorry to see you go. our previous free app levels allowed for quite significant web sites to run for free. which is nice, of course, but not tenable. i don't think $30/month total operating cost for this service is too much for you to pay for running the service you describe, and i'm sorr

[google-appengine] Null pointer exception while using google spreadsheet api using 2 legged OAuth

Hi I am new at using the OAuth process. I am using the 2 legged process to get the OAuth done. I am getting the following exception. This error has really wasted my two days. Please help me out. com.google.gdata.util.AuthenticationException: Token invalid - Invalid AuthSub token. Token invalid

[google-appengine] Mapreduce with JDO

Could anybody please point me to an example where mapreduce is used in combination with JDO in order to add or remove fields. For example, I would like to know how I can add a string or a more complicated object to all entities of a given kind. Thank you very much in advance. Jay -- You received

[google-appengine] Re: Google, What are you doing? (suggestion)

Very good point ! Google, please don't let us down. On Sep 1, 5:42 pm, de Witte wrote: > Google, > > What are you doing? From the outside it looks like your team has no > experience in how to deliver, market and sell a product. > >    1. You *know *that people will start screaming if their pricin

[google-appengine] Are my QPS and latency typical? (related to new pricing)

Hi guys, I may be missing something here but looking at the below screenshot of my instances, it seems like GAE is overly eager to add instances. Each instance seems to be serving a request every 8 seconds approximately, which feels high. Do the numbers look right to you? Thanks in advance, Jo

[google-appengine] Re: Even the HR Datastore is (slightly) having performance issue now.

Will datastore latency be covered by the SLA? All I'm seeing online is an old draft SLA: http://code.google.com/appengine/sla.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.g

Re: [google-appengine] Dashboard charts only show data of last 20 hours

Same here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/XiXiWWe-6yMJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To

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