Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-06-04 Thread atomi
I'm getting cycled out at less than a minute as well, using openbd. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Tin tin.c...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: I think every body who uses GAE should star this issue : http://goo.gl/juDy -- PLEASE HELP !! Thank you very much ~ -- You received this message

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-06-04 Thread atomi
I think the newer accounts are the ones having problems. On my account (much older), same app doesn't cycle as much. In theory, there is enough capacity such that as long as you get some traffic every few hours, you should not be getting cycled out... - famous last words. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-06-04 Thread atomi
Spoke too soon. I think if clients complain I'll just move them to a vps. But, just thinking about managing separate VPS accounts for every client gives me a headache. Hopefully this gets fixed soon though, because I do love working on appengine. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, atomi

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-06-04 Thread Paul Hammant
Folks, I had some evidence last year ( http://paulhammant.com/blog/appengines-blind-spot.html ) that it was a second app-engine instance being started from my app and not the first instance being taken down, and a new one started up. Specifically, it seemed to me that second and subsequent

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-06-03 Thread Tin
Hi all: I think every body who uses GAE should star this issue : http://goo.gl/juDy -- PLEASE HELP !! Thank you very much ~ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine for Java group. To post to this group, send email to

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-05-06 Thread Jake
My big wonder all along is why only some people get it and not others. My restarts have always happened frequently - sometimes 1-2 restarts within the same page load. But, evidenced by my issue post, most people don't have this problem. Did you change anything recently? Anyways, just more

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-05-05 Thread brianl
This is quite an UGLY UGLY issue. GAEJ was working great till now. May have to start looking for alternatives. Seeing restarts within a few seconds to a few minutes of one another... 05-05 10:41PM 29.289 This request caused a new process to be started for your application, ... 05-05 10:41PM

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-04-23 Thread Jake
Another wicket user! I'm down to about 2-3 seconds for the WicketFilter init(), which includes the Application init(). Since I figure I'm only allowed about 2-3 seconds, I realized that it was either give up Wicket or give up JDO. So, I swapped out JDO for Objectify and couldn't be happier.

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-04-22 Thread Jake
I'm also still seeing this issue. I have an open ticket here: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=2931 but it's not getting much attention :) Anyways, I've seen this as encouragement to make my startup time much more efficient, so I guess that's a good thing :) My

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-04-22 Thread Esteban Ignacio Masoero
Yes, I've done the same thing. In my case, the numbers about initialization are these: 3 sec - gae (apparently some internal thing) 2 sec - presentation framework initialization (wicket in my case) 4 sec - 2 sec for pm factory creation + 2 sec for 2/3 queries I make 1 sec - wicket and maybe some

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-03-03 Thread SRF
I'm also seeing my app being cycled too quickly. - What is your application ID? wicket-gae-template - How do you know it is being cycled out? You'll need to insert some code that only gets called when the app cold starts. startup is logged in a filter init() method; also logged in a static

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-03-03 Thread Wong
I am experiencing the same problem. I am using Spring MVC. When is the expected date for solution? I am waiting for solution for long. If this problem persists, I have to switch to other platform. On Mar 3, 6:41 pm, SRF srfar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also seeing my app being cycled too

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-03-03 Thread Robert Lancer
Me too App ID ArachnoDB loading GData and its dependencies, happens about every 2 minutes on average, I will add in a logger and follow up but I can tell a load request from a normal request. On Jan 15, 6:32 pm, Ikai Lan i...@google.com wrote: Hey everybody, We've been seeing more and more

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-03-02 Thread David Peters
Hi.. I apologize for reviving this post, but this problem is really hitting me hard. I have an interactive fiction site (www.friedfiction.com) that has been experiencing some terrible response times over the past month. After investigating, it appears that my app is cold starting almost every

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-02-09 Thread mably
Seems to be the case for me too, I've been noticing instance restarts pretty often these last 2 or 3 days. On 8 fév, 19:02, Ikai L (Google) ika...@google.com wrote: Thanks for the info, Jake. Has anyone else experienced this? That is, has anyone else noticed improvement which has since

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-02-08 Thread Jake
Hey all, Since Ikai's post on January 22nd, I haven't had much trouble with my instance rebooting unexpectedly. However, today the problem has returned. I'm getting instance restarts within a minute or two of each other on a somewhat regular basis - sometimes even within a few seconds of each

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-02-08 Thread Ikai L (Google)
Thanks for the info, Jake. Has anyone else experienced this? That is, has anyone else noticed improvement which has since degraded? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Jake jbrooko...@cast.org wrote: Hey all, Since Ikai's post on January 22nd, I haven't had much trouble with my instance

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-31 Thread Edwin Hautus
I have only been experiencing this problem in the last few weeks (after the 'fix' ?). - What is your application ID? salsa-amsterdam - How do you know it is being cycled out? You'll need to insert some code that only gets called when the app cold starts. I am using a static AtomicBoolean to

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-31 Thread Edwin Hautus
I am having this problem for the last week or two after months of good performance and very little recycling. As my app start up time is around 15 seconds this is really hitting my user experience in a negative way. On Jan 16, 12:32 am, Ikai Lan i...@google.com wrote: Hey everybody, We've been

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-23 Thread Jorge
Ikai, Me too I can report an improved response time and no datastote timeout exceptions the past couple of days. I have no measurements so far, but the improvement is noticeable. I'll certainly keep watching and let you know of any relevant issues. Thanks! Jorge Gonzalez On Jan 22, 9:10 pm,

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-22 Thread Ikai L (Google)
Hey everybody, I just wanted to give an update about this issue. We've changed resource allocation for our Java developers, which should result in much less app evictions. Some of you may have already noticed an improvement. I've already received several encouraging messages from developers who

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-22 Thread James Cooper
Ikai, Great news. I can report that I'm seeing FAR fewer cold starts today. So thank you! Would still love to see this implemented: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=2456 cheers -- James -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-18 Thread Locke
The dollar cost of apps being initialized more than they need to has always concerned me though. This is an important observation. Keeping our apps loaded with cron or other hacks is discouraged, yet we are billed for far more CPU usage if we allow appengine to unload/reload our apps every few

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-18 Thread Paul Hammant
I suspect that Google can't price up the RAM in use by node. Or at least given http://gregluck.com/blog/archives/2009/06/the-limitations-of-google-app-engine/ they can't do fine grained billing based on stack/heap usage. I think they'd need to be able to do that before allowing us to keep

Re: [appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-18 Thread John Patterson
I would be happy if they could page the heap of a quiet app to disk instead in re-initialising. To read even 100MB from disc would take less than a second... maybe another to send it across the network. A delay on that scale wouldn't worry me. On 19 Jan 2010, at 00:20, Paul Hammant

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-17 Thread WSouza
Mine happens at pretty random rates too - What is your application ID? footbattle - How do you know it is being cycled out? You'll need to insert some code that only gets called when the app cold starts. Random Request was aborted after waiting too long to attempt to service your request.

[appengine-java] Re: App Engine cold starts and overly aggressive cycling

2010-01-16 Thread Jorge
- What is your application ID? wcondominios - How do you know it is being cycled out? You'll need to insert some code that only gets called when the app cold starts. I just see incredibly long response times. This, for instance: # 01-16 04:29AM 02.107 / 302 4752ms 6718cpu_ms 126api_cpu_ms