On Thursday 17 July 2008 5:44:38 am Gunvor wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:52:07 +0200, Catherine Olanich Raymond
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is no indication that a third brooch was also found in the box in
> > the summaries I've seen. So I'm skeptical about that kind of solution.
>
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:52:07 +0200, Catherine Olanich Raymond
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is no indication that a third brooch was also found in the box in
the summaries I've seen. So I'm skeptical about that kind of solution.
I agree about being sceptical, but would still consider the
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 10:39:07 pm Glenda Robinson wrote:
> My take on this garment is that they aren't pleats at all. They are hanging
> loosely, but when you sketch, it might look like pleats, but is actually
> folds.
>
> If you have a look at the Ancient styles of palla, some of them are quit
rsday, 17 July 2008 12:01 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume
On Tuesday 15 July 2008 11:42:42 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> Oooh me too! I sincerely believe that aprons were worn in the way
> depicted, but in this case it wouldn't even lie neat a
On Tuesday 15 July 2008 11:42:42 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> Oooh me too! I sincerely believe that aprons were worn in the way
> depicted, but in this case it wouldn't even lie neat and flat with the
> sagging overdress underneath it. The silk on linen is fairly stiff and
> would not just lie
On Tuesday 15 July 2008 11:46:57 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> I like your thought about how the third brooch might work. I'm wondering
> if the absence of the third brooch might be explained by the fact that this
> dress was not being worn, it was found in a box. Gytha
Yes, but the tortoise b
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I had interpreted it as the centre section of the apron dress, with a
big pleat under each brooch making that part stand out in front, rather
than an additional separate piece o
From: Catherine Olanich Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:40:36 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume
Peter Beatson also interpreted the drawing as showing a separate apron. But
I've looked at the drawing again
On Tuesday 15 July 2008 3:17:19 pm Anne wrote:
> Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
> > On Sunday 13 July 2008 5:24:51 pm Anne wrote:
[snip].
> >
> > Yes, the inset picture does seem to show a third brooch in the center.
> > So far as I know, no such brooch was found in the grave, but we don't
> > h
Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote:
On Sunday 13 July 2008 5:24:51 pm Anne wrote:
In the second picture, is that another brooch in the center front, do
you think? If the fabric was pinned together there, it would be tight
around the chest so the tortoise brooches might hold the pleats more
eas
On Sunday 13 July 2008 5:24:51 pm Anne wrote:
> In the second picture, is that another brooch in the center front, do
> you think? If the fabric was pinned together there, it would be tight
> around the chest so the tortoise brooches might hold the pleats more
> easily?
>
> Interestingly, that fo
In the second picture, is that another brooch in the center front, do
you think? If the fabric was pinned together there, it would be tight
around the chest so the tortoise brooches might hold the pleats more
easily?
Interestingly, that formation is almost exactly like I was shown to make
a
On Saturday 12 July 2008 8:13:57 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> Thanks for the link! I know I read somewhere about the middle panel being
> patterned... and that it was 100 years older than the rest of the garment.
> The abstracts are great and I think I need to buy it! Kathy
The paper will be
On Saturday 12 July 2008 8:09:19 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> Actually, that's a much better translation! Thank you! It's not literal,
> it makes much more sense... Kathy
>
Glad to be of service. I was only reporting my impression of the feel of the
translation. Since I don' t know Russian
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:15:45 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume
On Saturday 12 July 2008 2:36:49 pm Constance Britten wrote:
> Thanks for posting!
>
> I read in note 7 of the Beatson article that the "type of
therine Olanich Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:19:42 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume
On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:23:51 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> Right now I'm resorting to basting because I don&#
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume
On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:37:05 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> No, some words don't seem to translate, like their word for fibula, which
> is similar, but different, but there was no particular untranslated word
> that would appear to des
On Saturday 12 July 2008 5:00:06 pm Joan Mielke wrote:
> Very interesting article! I wonder, though, if the apron/dress may have
> been made of wool instead of linen. I reread the article, and it doesn't
> actually say what the dress itself was made of. It was stitched with
> linen, which makes
Very interesting article! I wonder, though, if the apron/dress may have
been made of wool instead of linen. I reread the article, and it doesn't
actually say what the dress itself was made of. It was stitched with linen,
which makes sense, and the silk was backed on linen, which also makes sens
On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:37:05 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> No, some words don't seem to translate, like their word for fibula, which
> is similar, but different, but there was no particular untranslated word
> that would appear to describe the weave. I used to pieces of Thai silk that
> I had.
On Saturday 12 July 2008 3:23:51 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> Right now I'm resorting to basting because I don't own large turtle
> brooches... but a friend does so that will be the next thing... along with
> photos. Turtle brooches are so large and heavy that I'm thinking they will
> hold the fo
On Saturday 12 July 2008 2:36:49 pm Constance Britten wrote:
> Thanks for posting!
>
> I read in note 7 of the Beatson article that the "type of weave and
> patterning (if any) of the silks are not mentioned."
However, I found an abstract of the NESAT X papers on the web--which included
the paper
erned panel. I'll
send you a copy of the translation... maybe another set of eyes can tell more!
Gytha
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ooch pins don't have to go through the fabric!
Gytha
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From: Catherine Olanich Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:26:02 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pskov Viking costume
On Saturday 12 Ju
Thanks for posting!
I read in note 7 of the Beatson article that the "type of weave and
patterning (if any) of the silks are not mentioned."
However, seeing as that article omitted the image describing the pleats,
I'm wondering if, when you did your translation work (very kewl, BTW),
you hap
On Saturday 12 July 2008 1:08:18 pm Gytha Stonegrinder wrote:
> I got this link from this group. It intrigued me, so I made the sarafin
> using the dimensions from the article, and using a light-weight linen.
> When I tried it on it hung all wrong. The drawing has a drape to it that
> the linen
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/sarafan/sarafan.htm
I got this link from this group. It intrigued me, so I made the sarafin using
the dimensions from the article, and using a light-weight linen. When I tried
it on it hung all wrong. The drawing has a drape to it that the linen jus
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