NAV product in close to 6 years, so I
> have no real point of reference, but
> it was a pile of dogshit then so I can only imagine what a bloated
> monster it is today.> Date: Sat, 12
> Jan 2008 04:46:25 -0800> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subj
what a bloated monster it is today.> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:46:25 -0800>
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] Free
AV ?> > Agreed, we know NAV & MacAwful suck for over 5 years> now. Let's talk
to the > "other"
Agreed, we know NAV & MacAwful suck for over 5 years
now. Let's talk to the
"other" Symantec AV product that is most definitely
NOT norton SAV. I don't care
if you have to get a copy by nefarious means it's
better than any consumer level AV.
Sure the updates are large, welcome to 2008. They can
Hello Thane,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:26:31 PM, you wrote:
> But you're taking the worst of the for pay and comparing them to the
> best of the free. You don't have to buy crap. Sell them a good AV,
> or tell them to download free one and take responsibility for their
> actions - install
Hello DHSinclair,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 12:28:56 PM, you wrote:
> Thanks JoeUser,
> And probably why cars are offered in many colors. I have found in the AV
> business "one size" does not fit all. Here on the List "we" are tweaks.
> And, due to this "we" have very strong opinions, and, "we"
At 05:38 PM 11/01/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point. When looking at free I really do like avast.
I think Avast and Antivir are probably the two best of the freebies
(and both are better than McAfee or Norton.)
T
Hello Thane,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:29:12 PM, you wrote:
> If they want free, I tell them, sure, here are some URLs, have a
> blast. I'm not responsible for you refusing to take my advice to
> protect yourself, and I won't aid and abet your actions.
I dont even go that far, because we ar
or CA's EZ AntiVirus
(included with some internet services).
-Tharin Olsen
- Original Message
From: Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:55:32 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 12:08 PM 1/11/2008, Robert Martin Jr. ty
I'll concede that I'm basing my opinion only off systems I've had to fix, so it
is not a fair representative of the greater population of users. I've
definitely had problems with both.
I should also mention that as AVG installs have been getting larger, I'm
concerned about unnecessary bloat eve
Thanks JoeUser,
And probably why cars are offered in many colors. I have found in the AV
business "one size" does not fit all. Here on the List "we" are tweaks.
And, due to this "we" have very strong opinions, and, "we" tend to defend
"our" positions. Nature of the beast! I got over this year
Good point. When looking at free I really do like avast.
Sent via BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:29:51
To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 12:48 PM 11/01/2008, Chris Reeves wrote:
&
At 12:48 PM 11/01/2008, Chris Reeves wrote:
But in the common place, the general joe-sixpack doesn't go hunt for ESET.
They go with what walmart or target has on the shelf. And that isn't ESET.
(Sorry!)
But the issue started with "What free software should I recommend to
my clients?" So the
At 12:40 PM 11/01/2008, Joe User wrote:
Free is better then none but let them make the call - don't get
involved if they can't spare 30-50 bucks for protection.
If they want free, I tell them, sure, here are some URLs, have a
blast. I'm not responsible for you refusing to take my advice to
At 11:57 AM 11/01/2008, Chris Reeves wrote:
I don't generally give people a free if they don't want it.
However, in regards to the theory that 'Paid is better then free'. I would
counter that every time. I've absolutely recommended Avast to numerous
people, including having them pay for the th
The supplied uninstall routines for McAfee and Norton are so deficient that both had to release special removal utilities. I don't
trust
developers who can't write a proper uninstall for their own product. Updates published by these two are often defective. Here are
just two recent examples:
Mc
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Tharin Olsen wrote:
Currently I only recommend AVG, NOD32, Kaspersky, or CA's EZ AntiVirus
(included with some internet services).
Not free, but my personal favorite (from an IT standpoint) is Symantec AV
Corporate. Note that this is a completely from the Norton AV!
F
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:16 PM
To: Gary VanderMolen
Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ?
Hello Gary,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 11:58:21 AM, you wrote:
> I don't buy the blanket statement that paid AVs are better than free ones.
> Both AVG and Avas
Hello DHSinclair,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 12:01:40 PM, you wrote:
> I agree. AV is a customer responsibility. The vendor responsibility is to
> suggest/counsel as the subject matter expert. Yes, it is nice to be a
> "good person" and help a customer out. But, with all the AV's I have ever
> u
Hello Gary,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 11:58:21 AM, you wrote:
> I don't buy the blanket statement that paid AVs are better than free ones.
> Both AVG and Avast have paid versions, and (AFAIK) the free version uses
> the same basic engine as the paid version. The only difference would be
> added b
Ding! Ding! Ding!
This subject cost me years using Norton and CA Etrust! Had this List not
turned me on to eset, I would still be scrubbing my machines. Thank you
List! Eset and very happy.
I did get what I paid for.
Best,
Duncan
At 10:48 01/11/2008 -0600, you wrote:
snip
Joe:
You obvious
I don't buy the blanket statement that paid AVs are better than free ones.
Both AVG and Avast have paid versions, and (AFAIK) the free version uses
the same basic engine as the paid version. The only difference would be
added bells and whistles that most users don't need.
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
I agree. AV is a customer responsibility. The vendor responsibility is to
suggest/counsel as the subject matter expert. Yes, it is nice to be a
"good person" and help a customer out. But, with all the AV's I have ever
used, none are perfect; and, all require some sort of USER/Customer
interve
Hello Chris,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 10:48:04 AM, you wrote:
> You obviously didn't bother to read my whole message, where I ended with:
Yeah my eyes glazed over at the second paragraph on the Norton - McAfee
thing. I assumed you were going to go that route for the rest. I
should have continu
t there in the pudding.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:40 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 09:28 AM 11/01/2008, FORC5 wrote:
>Procrastination is king, s
> * I've never seen more junky, bulky programs then the current versions of
> Norton & McAfee. I don't care about AVS Bulletin reports that show how
well
>Hi, the rest of the world has more then these two major brand AV's
>though, Try NOD32 from ESET. Bye.
Joe:
You obviously didn't bother to re
Hello Chris,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 9:57:42 AM, you wrote:
> I don't generally give people a free if they don't want it.
> However, in regards to the theory that 'Paid is better then free'. I would
> counter that every time. I've absolutely recommended Avast to numerous
> people, including
Hello Thane,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:52:27 AM, you wrote:
> At 11:09 PM 10/01/2008, FORC5 wrote:
>>do not do what ? free of avast ?
>>
>>generally been happy with AVG, being free does not expire and most
>>of my customers will NOT maintain their systems. ( money for me )
>>but I figure fre
Hello Thane,
Friday, January 11, 2008, 3:48:52 AM, you wrote:
> At 09:26 PM 10/01/2008, Joe User wrote:
>>Hello FORC5,
>>
>>Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:10:05 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> > As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast.
>>
>> > Opinions appreciated. ( for customer bo
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:40 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Free AV ?
At 09:28 AM 11/01/2008, FORC5 wrote:
>Procrastination is king, some do. Most are just too stupid or just
>plain lazy. I often wonder if they ever
Remember when tires never lost their air, and oil never went down?
And a 15-20 year old car would still have 80# oil pressure?
Oh, I'm starting to sound like an O.F. Rick Glazier
From: "FORC5"
I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check their tire pressures.
At 09:28 AM 11/01/2008, FORC5 wrote:
Procrastination is king, some do. Most are just too stupid or just
plain lazy. I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check
their tire pressures.
Good money on fresh installs when needed 8-)
I never give a free AV if they don't want one. I'm not
Procrastination is king, some do. Most are just too stupid or just plain lazy.
I often wonder if they ever change their oil or check their tire pressures.
Good money on fresh installs when needed 8-)
fp
At 02:52 AM 1/11/2008, Thane Sherrington Poked the stick with:
>At 11:09 PM 10/01/2008, FORC5
At 11:09 PM 10/01/2008, FORC5 wrote:
do not do what ? free of avast ?
generally been happy with AVG, being free does not expire and most
of my customers will NOT maintain their systems. ( money for me )
but I figure free is better then 4 year old EXPIRED Norton. 8-)
Surely after paying for
At 09:26 PM 10/01/2008, Joe User wrote:
Hello FORC5,
Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:10:05 PM, you wrote:
> As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast.
> Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen )
> fp
IMHO - Don't do it, esp. where a client is involved.
Absolutely co
Lopaka,
TNX. I'll go look into it..
Best,
Duncan
At 18:14 01/10/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Actually the win32 version is called clamwin. Clam Antivirus is open
source I believe and will run on many OSes including windows 2000 & 2003
server. The only drawback is no realtime scanning so I general
do not do what ? free of avast ?
generally been happy with AVG, being free does not expire and most of my
customers will NOT maintain their systems. ( money for me ) but I figure free
is better then 4 year old EXPIRED Norton. 8-)
fp
At 06:26 PM 1/10/2008, Joe User Poked the stick with:
>Hello
Actually the win32 version is called clamwin. Clam Antivirus is open source I
believe and will run on many OSes including windows 2000 & 2003 server. The
only drawback is no realtime scanning so I generally set it to scan the system
folder and download folder daily, and full system scan every fe
Hello FORC5,
Thursday, January 10, 2008, 4:10:05 PM, you wrote:
> As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast.
> Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen )
> fp
IMHO - Don't do it, esp. where a client is involved.
--
Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key.
Well, yes Google is a very good friend, use it every damn day! But, I
figured Lopaka would have some personal us/experience to share, maybe. I
think he has used it for a long while. :)
He is one of the List's acknowledged tweaks, I think
Best,
Duncan
At 18:18 01/10/2008 -0
DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lopaka,
> What is clamav?
> Best,
> Duncan
http://www.google.com/search?q=clamav
google is your friend :)
regards,
al
Lopaka,
What is clamav?
Best,
Duncan
At 14:11 01/10/2008 -0800, you wrote:
I use avast on my x64 system, avg on my laptop and clamav on servers.
lopaka
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but
was playing with Avast.
Opinions appreciated. ( for customer bo
Forc5,
No experience with AVG or Avast. Have been using latest free AntiVir :
http://www.free-av.com
I have AntiVir on the one last machine that is not p/o my eset license for
nod32.
It is a bit weird because they keep building new installers. If you get an
installer-pak today, it
may not wor
On Jan 11, 2008 6:10 AM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast.
>
> Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen )
Avast detected better those pesky viruses you get from USB drives
that's why I shifted.
I use avast on my x64 system, avg on my laptop and clamav on servers.
lopaka
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was
playing with Avast.
Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen )
fp
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As far as free AV goes, been using AVG but was playing with Avast.
Opinions appreciated. ( for customer boxen )
fp
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