I think everyone shall read this first
http://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/info/overview.shtml . If performance
will not be a problem then the product based on Jikes can be an
alternative to Sun`s JVM.
Personally Java is the language I feel myself most confortable and I
think most of the people he
Jónas Tryggvi Jóhannsson wrote:
I think that we should go the Java way.. and I really hope that
JikesRVM will be our starting point!
After reading more about Jikes "A JVM in Java" idea seems to be better
for me then it used to be. I am just anxious about the performance.
Whatever we do and ho
>
> Hey forgive the naive question guys, but does the Java
> serialization spec specify things to a level of detail that
> will allow objects serialized on one JVM to be unserialized
> by a different JVM? That is, will one be able to share
> objects between Harmony and the Sun JVM, or others?
Garrett Rooney wrote:
access to scalable IO facilities (IOCP, epoll, kqueue, etc...)
See the apr_pool API, which uses epoll, kqueue, etc on the backend if
available.
Now that my message finally makes it through the ASF mail system, I
notice that typo... That should be "apr_poll", not "apr_pool"
-Original Message-
From: Weldon Washburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue May 17 23:53:28 2005
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject:Re: Developing Harmony
>-Original Message-
>From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2
weldon! Been waiting! welcome!
geir
On May 17, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Weldon Washburn wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:22 PM
To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Developing Harmony
On May 16, 2005, at 11:51 A
We've been talking about two threads of discussion, one working with
a C/C++ based VM, one w/ Java.
Here's a Java one for discussion (just want to focus threads...)
geir
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Create a page on the Wiki for it: http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/
> -Original Message-
> From: Ozgur Akan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 9:49 PM
> To: Harmony
> Subject: proposal translation
>
> I am translating the proposal to Turkish. Whom shall I sent
> this
Add it to the wiki :)
http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/
thanks
On May 17, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Ozgur Akan wrote:
I am translating the proposal to Turkish. Whom shall I sent this
and in which format ?
thanks,
aiQa
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Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
For those that want meaningful subjects lines, here it is and for
those that are waiting for an architecture discussion - here it is.
Here's the first of the offered VMs. (I've privately mailed Tom van
Dijck about mudGE so we can look at something else)
I've downloaded and will begin playing
Much as I admire James, I have to say that the responses from
enterprise developers of which he presumably speaks were carefully
choreographed by the organizers of JavaONE (who are of course Sun
employees). Its the old story...you can't ask a question without
influencing the answer. When
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 05:56:36PM -0300, Rodrigo Kumpera wrote:
> A quick look at APR reveal that it doesn?t provide all OS abstraction that a
> JVM needs. There are no functions to mark pages as executable, access to
> scalable IO facilities (IOCP, epoll, kqueue, etc...) or workarounds for
> s
Haven't heard anybody mention this yet:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ef
Is there anything in EF that could be of use to us? I know the project
has been dormant for quite some time, but I wonder if there is any code,
or at least ideas, that would be beneficial to us?
Not sure about the licensi
Hey forgive the naive question guys, but does the Java serialization
spec specify things to a level of detail that will allow objects
serialized on one JVM to be unserialized by a different JVM? That is,
will one be able to share objects between Harmony and the Sun JVM,
or others?
Just curious, a
Carlos Fernandez Sanz wrote:
Jónas Tryggvi Jóhannsson wrote:
Question to the floor: if it had to be one of C and C++, which would
you prefer?
I can't think of a single reason why C should be preferred over C++.
C can simply be viewed as a subset of C++, and as Java users we all
This might be true
From: Ricky Clarkson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From informal chat in IRC, Davanum Srinivas (dims) said that each
> committer (not contributor) will sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure
> Agreement) with Sun to be able to use Sun's TCK (Technology
> Compatibility Kit), which is required for Harmony to be certif
>how much value is there in creating another point of entry?
it's not just for devs who will be compiling the class library in harmony.
it's (or that's what i think) intended to be the "javac" of Hamroy
On 5/18/05, Matt Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> just a note... it appears that Ant (
> We are *NOT* going to be writing a JVM from scratch, we are open for
> donations.
So why wasn't this cleared up from the start? Why state steadfastly
that it was open and plausible. Ambiguity wastes time, obviously,
maybe the Apache "moderators" (for lack of a better word) should go
and list wha
> Newbie question: What is to stop us from caching JITed code? .NET/
> mono does this as far as I know?
We can do it even in the forthcoming Harmony runtime.
On the other hand, an apparent drawback is disk
consumption. Generally, JITted native code takes 3 times or more as
much as bytecode takes
Rodrigo Kumpera wrote:
A quick look at APR reveal that it doesn´t provide all OS abstraction that a
JVM needs. There are no functions to mark pages as executable,
This is probably not there, but could be added to APR if people were
interested and willing to write the code.
access to
scalable IO
ok ahmed, I thought to take, more or less the same direction, so keep
going, and tell me if I can help on something.
You certainly have to consider portability issues with paths and files, here
a small document from sun who talks a little bit about that
http://java.sun.com/products/archive/100perc
Steve Blackburn wrote:
However, it is not the either/or situtation you paint above. I think
it may make most sense to work on a preexisting donated VM or VMs
while *concurrently* developing a new VM core or cores from scratch.
This approach has a number of advantages, including maximizing our
that would be great so people can stop worring about the legal side... and
if anyone wants to know about the current legal situation s/he could check
that list.
On 5/17/05, Stuart Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree. Perhaps though it might be helpful to split into a legal
> and techni
C++, just C++, is a recipe for trouble. Most projects that use it define a
subset to make development a less painfull talk. Usually operator
overloading, templates and virtual inheritance are discarded.
Rodrigo
Agreed. If the decision is to go with C++, it will need to be a subset of
C++ for sani
Some of IBM's JDKs cache JIT'ed code on some platforms; see
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-shared/ for details.
That link talks about some of the problems. It isn't a trivial problem by any
means. IBM's implementation uses a "Master VM" and "Worker VMs" that share
system c
On the Pluto project (which has similar TCK requirements) the NDA hasn't
really been a big issue. Some committers have signed and have access to
it and some don't. We have our own set of test cases written based on
the spec that committers use to verify their commits.
We just make sure someone r
> "David" == David Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
David> Maybe a concrete example would help. Let's say you have a GC module
David> written in C. One of it's API calls is to allocate a new object. How
David> is your JIT module going to produce code to use that API? Via a C
David> functi
ok a question... hope it's not that silly anyways... if you did the JVM in
java we would need to compile it (or part of it) to native code... wouldn't
that be a problem when porting to other platforms? (sorry guys if it's so
silly)
On 5/17/05, Ozgur Akan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> JVM in J
can we push some priorities rather than running everywhere.. like
1. decide on a language to use: c, c++, java (did i hear pascal)
2 . an architecture
3.
According to this architecture we will divide our efforts. So we can focus
on more specific subjects
and may be we can do more organized
>-Original Message-
>From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:22 PM
>To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Developing Harmony
>
>
>On May 16, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Ben Laurie wrote:
>>
>> I'm pretty sure we want a framework in C/C++, whatev
My ambitions were far more modest, cutting down on startup overhead in
apps coded like this
static Foo aFoo = new Foo();
public void main(String args[])
{
checkpoint();
// on with the show
}
But JVM/instance persistence would certainly be nice (if hard to provide
reliably).
Subramanian, S
The "clear need" that Magnusson cites is anything but clear to Gosling, who
says Sun has received negative response from the enterprise development
community regarding the idea of open-source Java."
welcome to the matrix, guys ;)
On 5/17/05, Tomer Barletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://
On May 17, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
Hi,
From informal chat in IRC, Davanum Srinivas (dims) said that each
committer (not contributor) will sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure
Agreement) with Sun to be able to use Sun's TCK (Technology
Compatibility Kit), which is required for Harmony to be
On May 17, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Mark Brooks wrote:
Oog. Thog like to bang rocks, but Thog also like
inheritance, ABCs and generics.
If by "generics" you mean STL, it is my understanding that creates
cross-platform problems, which is why many cross-platform C++
projects don't use it.
Thog stil
On May 17, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Mark Brooks wrote:
We do not lack good choices for a JVM. Steve Blackburn has
presented a proposal to use Jikes RVM, and there has been
discussion of Kaffe and GCJ as well.
And and least one person one this list has offered a VM they have
written, and to change t
On May 17, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Bryce Leo wrote:
Now don't go too crazy for my suggesting this, but why not pascal?
Wow. I've never had such a strong urge to vote someone "off the
island" :)
geir
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On May 17, 2005, at 5:51 AM, David Griffiths wrote:
Maybe a concrete example would help. Let's say you have a GC module
written in C. One of it's API calls is to allocate a new object. How
is your JIT module going to produce code to use that API? Via a C
function pointer?
This is a good example of
nice to see u here sundar :)
On 5/17/05, Subramanian, Sundar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My original intention of having a snapshot was not so much as to have a quick
> restart but to be able to migrate apps a la distributed JVM efforts
> (http://djvm.anu.edu.au/) as Steve has mentioned in this
> >True, but if you saved the entire state of the JVM memory on disk (an
> >JVM 'hibernation'?) then you could just start from where you left,
> >instruction pointer included.
>
> Just one _teensy_ snag. Open files and sockets. And all state external
> to the JVM.
No, that's not the snag. This
just a note... it appears that Ant (and thus Maven, I
assume) can already use the Eclipse JDT compiler when
properly configured. If by chance one of these
(Apache) projects is used for builds, how much value
is there in creating another point of entry?
-Matt
--- Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECT
On Mon, 16 May 2005 16:58:16 -0300
Rodrigo Kumpera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Making Harmony modular enouth to be kind of a JVM framework cannot be
> done before having a working JVM. There is a lot of literature about
> how frameworks should emerge from continuous design and development.
THer
I appeal to everyone to get the facts on the Java-in-Java issue.
It is an important issue and despite a number of comprehensive posts to
the list from a variety of writers, people still perpetuate ideas which
have been debunked on the list.
Listreader wrote:
A lot of people have expressed intere
I am translating the proposal to Turkish. Whom shall I sent this and in
which format ?
thanks,
aiQa
Now don't go too crazy for my suggesting this, but why not pascal?
Which dialect? ISO or GPC? Free Pascal or Delphi? (and if Delphi, which
version) etc..
Ada95 is superior for most purposes to Pascal, is more standardized (there
is only one standard) and is also widely available. It also prod
A quick look at APR reveal that it doesn´t provide all OS abstraction that a
JVM needs. There are no functions to mark pages as executable, access to
scalable IO facilities (IOCP, epoll, kqueue, etc...) or workarounds for
small diferences on syscalls or libC implementation.
I think Harmony shou
Bryce Leo wrote:
Now don't go too crazy for my suggesting this, but why not pascal? If
we're considering C as it is this really isn't a terrible suggestion.
I know it's fallen out of favor with most of you guys but it compiles
quickly and supports a good number of operating systems and types of
har
If C/C++ is going to be used, the reference compiler is gcc. I don´t think
the pascal frontend of gcc is up to the others.
Rodrigo
On 5/17/05, Bryce Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now don't go too crazy for my suggesting this, but why not pascal? If
> we're considering C as it is this re
It is just not as popular as the others. If pascal was used, there
would be an awful lot of people unable to make contributions until
they learned pascal. I think the real question is what features
could pascal provide that would make it a better choice than the more
popular choice of C/C
> "Ben" == Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> I'm pretty sure we want a framework in C/C++, whatever components
>>> are developed in.
>> Umm. Why?
Ben> So it can run everywhere.
FWIW, writing a VM in java doesn't make this harder per se.
In fact, in a way it is easier as you are al
> "Rodrigo" == Rodrigo Kumpera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rodrigo> Making Harmony modular enouth to be kind of a JVM framework
Rodrigo> cannot be done before having a working JVM.
Rodrigo> Creating such is a big chalenge, to guess what spots need to flexible
Rodrigo> and the others that don'
I really suggested it because I got a bit frustrated when the subject
line was "Java" and the discussion diverged into project leads,
introductions, bug management, getting started suggestions, and where
the project should start it's programming (this is just one example
there are others). I figur
I agree. Perhaps though it might be helpful to split into a legal
and technical list shortly?
Cheer
Stuart
On 17 May 2005, at 16:55, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
We tend to do this naturally - we put something in the subject line
to distinguish. Maybe we'll come up w/ some patterns.
One thing
Hi,
I am sure that the code donated could be of use somewhere in the harmony
effort. Don't get too discouraged if no one jumps on it right away
though. The biggest need for harmony is not so much the code that you
have produced but the code that you will produce in the future.
At the start ther
This sounds like how java works under OS X.
Newbie question: What is to stop us from caching JITed code? .NET/
mono does this as far as I know?
Stuart
On 17 May 2005, at 06:05, Nick Lothian wrote:
El lun, 16-05-2005 a las 16:08 +0530, Subramanian, Sundar escribió:
(...)
I guess what Brad is aski
Santiago Gala wrote:
El lun, 16-05-2005 a las 16:08 +0530, Subramanian, Sundar escribiÃ:
(...)
I guess what Brad is asking is for a snapshot of the state of JVM.
This
would be really useful to migrate stuff from one environment to
another
preserving the underlying state.
I have mixed feelings abou
Rodrigo Kumpera wrote:
Making Harmony modular enouth to be kind of a JVM framework cannot be
done before having a working JVM. There is a lot of literature about
how frameworks should emerge from continuous design and development.
There's a lot of literature about all aspects of development that ha
Hi,
>From informal chat in IRC, Davanum Srinivas (dims) said that each
committer (not contributor) will sign an NDA (Non-Disclosure
Agreement) with Sun to be able to use Sun's TCK (Technology
Compatibility Kit), which is required for Harmony to be certified as
Java.
He also said that each contrib
Maybe a concrete example would help. Let's say you have a GC module
written in C. One of it's API calls is to allocate a new object. How
is your JIT module going to produce code to use that API? Via a C
function pointer?
Dave
On 5/16/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd only b
C++, just C++, is a recipe for trouble. Most projects that use it define a
subset to make development a less painfull talk. Usually operator
overloading, templates and virtual inheritance are discarded.
Rodrigo
On 5/17/05, Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jónas Tryggvi Jóhannsson wrot
JVM in Java will be the slower then Sun`s JVM. C or C++ is a better choice.
Ozgur Akan
Jónas Tryggvi Jóhannsson wrote:
Question to the floor: if it had to be one of C and C++, which would
you prefer?
I can´t think of a single reason why C should be preferred over C++,
as C can simply be viewed
Brett Porter wrote:
LLVM looks cool, but comes with a wholebunchastuff under different
licenses embedded in it. A casual inspection suggests we can probably
work around them, but a closer inspection would be required.
They all looked to be the same with additional copyrights, ie BSD-ish,
with the
The free JVMs based on it ether use vanilla Classpath or have some
custization for some key classes.
Making it plugable a layer above it's VM interface will be a nightmare to
mantain. Maybe if you can point to a use-case where the might make any
sense, many here will think positively about.
R
On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 17:34 +0200, Leo Simons wrote:
> Hi all,
Hi Leo...
> For now, you can assume:
>
> * we *can* use GNU Classpath as long as we do not publish any releases, ie
>at least for the next six months;
>
> * we *may* stop using GNU Classpath at some point in the future;
So, f
Hi,
I've seen a lot of anxious volunteers on this list just itching to get
started with something. And I'd like to make a suggestion, which is to
help out on the GNU Classpath class libraries. I wrote an intro on
how[1] to this list.
Some of you may be hesitant because you're more interested in Ha
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On May 16, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Ben Laurie wrote:
I'm pretty sure we want a framework in C/C++, whatever components are
developed in.
+1
Question to the floor: if it had to be one of C and C++, which would
you prefer?
C++
Oog. Thog like to bang rocks, but Thog also li
i'm working on that too.. i'm using args4j to support javac-like option
parsing capabilites... i'm reading the tomcat Jasper source code to learn
more about how they did that (the JDTCompiler class)... would be great if
you wanna share ideas
-ahmed
On 5/17/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTE
that would be great
On 5/17/05, Bryce Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As harmony is just getting started, there is a great deal of good
> suggestions, questions and offers for help. Ever since the Slashdot
> announcement I personally think that the number of people whom have
> joined and offer
Do we need the extra features of C++ for the low-level stuff that
Harmony needs to do? Java can provide the OO wrappers around things,
we don't need Java wrappers around C++ classes around C functions..
I don't think there's enough gain in using C++ to warrant the extra
complexity in its use. Bu
Maybe this pluggable layer that is not well defined. I think that having
this as a link time thing is more than enouth. It doesn´t mean that only one
GC algorithm or JITer will be available at runtime, but all the options
should be defined when building the JVM.
Refactoring a system to have a f
On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 17:34 +0200, Leo Simons wrote:
> Hi all,
Hi Leo...
> For now, you can assume:
>
> * we *can* use GNU Classpath as long as we do not publish any releases, ie
>at least for the next six months;
>
> * we *may* stop using GNU Classpath at some point in the future;
So, f
Archie Cobbs wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Those who have a JVM and want to donate it under the apache license to
seed harmony raise their hands now!
As mentioned before, and/all of JC [1] is available and I'll
be happy to relicense it. All of the code was written by me
(though I didn't invent
Patrice Le Vexier wrote:
here's a task for those of you who want something to do: wrap the
eclipse JDT compiler and make it look/feel like javac from the
command line.
--
Stefano.
If there is no objection to use this compiler, I can do that.
Please, let me know.
Patrice,
go ahead! We need some
http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/28125?trk=DXRSS_JAVA
Looks like Doc java is pretty upset...
On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:46 -0300, Rodrigo Kumpera wrote:
> I'm wondering, some parts of the JDK seens to be product features and not a
> standard. For examples, the sound system should use arts, esd or alsa (I
> believe Sun support the last 2). The printing system should support cups,
> lprng o
On May 16, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Rodrigo Kumpera wrote:
Making Harmony modular enouth to be kind of a JVM framework cannot be
done before having a working JVM. There is a lot of literature about
how frameworks should emerge from continuous design and development.
There's been a lot of work in this area
My original intention of having a snapshot was not so much as to have a quick
restart but to be able to migrate apps a la distributed JVM efforts
(http://djvm.anu.edu.au/) as Steve has mentioned in this thread earlier.
As you say I guess persistence along with machine specific JIT code might be
Jónas Tryggvi Jóhannsson wrote:
Question to the floor: if it had to be one of C and C++, which would
you prefer?
I can't think of a single reason why C should be preferred over C++.
C can simply be viewed as a subset of C++, and as Java users we all
This might be true for newbies but anyone who
Nether support apt, AFAIK, which seens to be an easier task to do with the
Eclipse compiler.
Rodrigo
On 5/16/05, Nick Lothian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > > "Berlin" == Berlin Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Berlin> The compiler seems to be a non-issue at this time
> > wit
Hi Rodrigo,
I believe the focus should be on deciding if Harmony will star from
other JVM or not.
I agree entirely that this is an important issue, and a lot of people
are working hard right now to see if this can happen. Donating an
entire JVM to apache is not a trivial issue, so we will need t
Here's more information on GCJ ABI:
ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/summit/2004/GCJ%20New%20ABI.pdf
-- dims
On 5/16/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Short Story: Please take a look if you haven't already -
> http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~sanseri/kaffe/k2.html
>
> Long story: Was trying to co
[snip]
>
> I have one other question, is the project going to use any
> kind of web project management software or web bug system.
> Something simple, even as simple as sourceforge's bug system.
> Just have a user submit and bug and the severity. I have
> seen other apache projects use just
On 5/16/05, Jónas Tryggvi Jóhannsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Question to the floor: if it had to be one of C and C++, which would
> > you prefer?
>
> I can´t think of a single reason why C should be preferred over C++, as
> C can simply be viewed as a subset of C++. As Java users, all of
Santiago Gala wrote:
El lun, 16-05-2005 a las 16:08 +0530, Subramanian, Sundar escribió:
(...)
I guess what Brad is asking is for a snapshot of the state of JVM.
This
would be really useful to migrate stuff from one environment to
another
preserving the underlying state.
I have mixed feelings abou
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Christian Damsgaard wrote:
I brought up this idea with Lars Bak (HotSpot architect at Sun back
then) at a conference some years back when Sun introduced the HotSpot
VM. The argument back then was that a program mays not execute in the
same pattern every time and the opti
Jónas Tryggvi Jóhannsson wrote:
Im however very fond of the idea of writing the JVM in Java. Im
beginning to look into the JikesRVM and I really like the idea,
especially as it is the language that everyone on this list is
familiar with. It would also maximize the quality of the tools that we
> > Is anyone familiar enough to suggest the interfaces for such a
> > module? :)
>
> AFAICT, the verifier has the most simple possible interface: a static
> method called verify() which takes a bytearray representing a class. It
> throws ClassFormatError when the class does not pass verification.
I can't think of a single reason why C should be preferred over C++.
C can simply be viewed as a subset of C++
Not anymore, really. The current ISO standards for C and C++ have
eliminated the "C++ is only a superset" aspect. They really are different
languages.
Also, you CAN write C in an obje
We do not lack good choices for a JVM. Steve Blackburn has presented a
proposal to use Jikes RVM, and there has been discussion of Kaffe and GCJ
as well.
And and least one person one this list has offered a VM they have written,
and to change the license to the Apache license.
_
Oog. Thog like to bang rocks, but Thog also like inheritance, ABCs
and generics.
If by "generics" you mean STL, it is my understanding that creates
cross-platform problems, which is why many cross-platform C++ projects don't
use it.
Now don't go too crazy for my suggesting this, but why not pascal? If
we're considering C as it is this really isn't a terrible suggestion.
I know it's fallen out of favor with most of you guys but it compiles
quickly and supports a good number of operating systems and types of
hardware, like arm a
> [Original Message]
> From: Marco Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 5/15/05 6:58:54 PM
> Subject: Re: OS Abstraction Layer and Common Tools Library
>
... snip ...
> I suggest targeting a few more Unix platforms in order not to stick to
> Linux specialties to much. Maybe some of the *BS
Subramanian, Sundar wrote:
This could even help in migrating apps across machines in a grid-like
environment dynamically depending on the availability of resources.
If this can be implemented it would be great.
SeeWenzhang Zhu, Distributed Java Virtual Machine with Thread
Migration, Ph.D. Thes
We tend to do this naturally - we put something in the subject line
to distinguish. Maybe we'll come up w/ some patterns.
One thing to consider is when we get going with things, to split off
an architecture list if the volume gets too much. But for now, it's
light enough to keep it all her
Rodrigo Kumpera wrote:
Making Harmony modular enouth to be kind of a JVM framework cannot be
done before having a working JVM. There is a lot of literature about
how frameworks should emerge from continuous design and development.
I agree with Rodrigo.
This must not be the focus until required, so
On May 16, 2005, at 3:59 PM, usman bashir wrote:
But !
if u people dont mind (dont take me splitter again ;) ) then i
would say
while considering Classpath for library we should design in such a
way that
if some one want to replace with its own (his own wish thats what
OSS is )
then he can d
It will be really great if we can manage the threads like that, as keeping
stuff manageable is also helpfull in further documentation and reference and
repitative threads can be avoided as well.
so i put my hand to manage them. and i ll post them on wiki from where u can
take on.
On 5/17/05, Br
On May 16, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Nick Lothian wrote:
One specific question that I haven't seen addressed elsewhere:
Currently the FAQ for classpath says:
"If you are going to contribute source code to GNU Classpath we must
make sure that you have not studied the source code of the JDK/JRE or
decompiled
2005/5/17, Bryce Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> What do you think?
Good enough for me... I'll use it!
Bye!
Raffaele
Hi,
I also prefer C which is simpler to use and also As Nicolas said has
smaller memory footprint.
Ozgur Akan
Simon Chappell wrote:
On 5/16/05, Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*snip*
Question to the floor: if it had to be one of C and C++, which would you
prefer?
C.
C++ was a terrib
go for it!
-- dims
On 5/16/05, Patrice Le Vexier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > here's a task for those of you who want something to do: wrap the
> > eclipse JDT compiler and make it look/feel like javac from the
> > command line.
> >
> > --
> > Stefano.
> >
> >
>
> If there is no objection to u
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