Hi Folks,
Sorry for the delay.
[ +1] Graduate Apache Harmony from incubation, and let it petition the
board for Top Level Project status
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> I repeat my -perhaps naive- question: any reason for not making the win32
> build of Harmany based on the OpenWatcom open source compiler??
>
> www.openwatcom.org
>
> Fernando
>
> On 3/24/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
) than to
> > depend on> some weird [EMAIL PROTECTED] tool.
>
> Hrm. I'm going to write to the guy and see what's up...
>
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t; Stepan Mishura wrote:
> > > May be it makes sense to send notifications to commits mailing list like
> > > for
> > > JIRA notifications?
> >
> > Sure, makes sense. We'd have to ask Geir to allow the posts through
> > again ;-)
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Nice!
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> Tim is giving at talk this week at EclipseCon :
>
> http://www.eclipsecon.org/2006/Sub.do?id=531
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ogging, prefs and sql plus unit tests only for
> beans, crypto, math, regex and security :
>
> [ ] +1 Accept
> [ ] -1 Don't accept (provide reason)
>
> Vote will run 3 days or until all committers have voted.
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> [ ] +1 Accept
> [ ] -1 Don't accept (provide reason)
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onation of ontribution of unit test
> > code for a number of components :
> >
> > [ ] +1 Accept
> > [ ] -1 Don't accept (provide reason)
> >
> > Vote will run 3 days or until all committers have voted.
> >
> >
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t;> [snip]
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Stefano.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Stefano,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am I right you propose to implement Swing on native widgets? I mean
> >>>>> using real native push buttons, etc. and get rid of 'standard' Swing
> >>>>> approach to have lightweight platform-independent stuff? Sorry if I
> >>>>> caught you wrong...
> >>>> I don't even know what I'm saying myself :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> All I know is that I want something fast that feels as solid as SWT on
> >>>> windows or swing/java2d on macosx.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, I don't think I know enough how to figure out how to get
> >>>> there though, but I suspect you guys do ;-)
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Tim Ellison ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >>> IBM Java technology centre, UK.
> >>>
> >
> >
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sh buttons, etc. and get rid of 'standard' Swing
> >>>> approach to have lightweight platform-independent stuff? Sorry if I
> >>>> caught you wrong...
> >>> I don't even know what I'm saying myself :-)
> >>>
> >>> All I know is that I want something fast that feels as solid as SWT on
> >>> windows or swing/java2d on macosx.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, I don't think I know enough how to figure out how to get
> >>> there though, but I suspect you guys do ;-)
> >>>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Tim Ellison ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >> IBM Java technology centre, UK.
> >>
>
>
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egards,
> >>>> George
> >>>> IBM UK
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim Ellison wrote:
> >>>>> Stepan Mishura wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Returning back to the 'missing post'. I agreed with suggestion but
> >>>> currently
> >>>>>> we don't have Harmony provider so we should define how we locate
> >>>> 'trusted
> >>>>>> provides' to be secure.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> We just need a trusted SHA1PRNG, right? then we can open signed
> >>>>> providers' jars and get any others.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Tim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >
> >
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the projects setup and compiling in Eclipse using the SVN
> >>> code and the snapshot builds, but I'm unable to get the "Run As" and
> >>> "Debug
> >>> As" pieces going, so I can execute the tests and build some of my
> >>> own. My
> >>> problem seems to be around getting the JRE and the security policies
> >>> setup
> >>> appropriately.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Nathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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> >> Lets let this run 3 days unless a) someone states they need more time
> >> or b) we get all committer votes before then.
>
> Sure, +1
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t; >
> > > Any road map or project plan that sort of describes these things :) ?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rajith.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > IBM
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> >
> >
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gs doable with this
> code. But, should any additional clarifications be required, I'll be happy to
> provide them. You are welcome to try it out!
>
> Thank you,
> Andrey Chernyshev
> Intel Middleware Products Division
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issue IFAIK.
> >
> > There are only a few things required make it work, like removing
> > references to com.sun.Unsafe.
> >
> >
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gt; >
> > $ harmony/standard/site > ant
> >
> > and it Just Works.
>
> hmmm, I wonder how far in gump we would go :-)
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Touché :)
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> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I was trying to download the JVM from [1] as per instructions on our
> > site [2]why is it asking me for all kinds of personal information?
>
>
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> >
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gt; This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> (+1 from me, of course...)
>
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it in my
> >>mind, 1000ft view, circumventing all licensing issues by using OSGi on
> >>top of a minimal set of classes we assume as given.
> >>
> >>How a VM implements those classes, under which license, is not our
> >>problem. Harmony will have all those classes under ASLv2, other
> >>projects will have GNU Classpath's implementation under GPL+linking
> >>exception, different projects may chose to use the old Kaffe or gcj
> >>code, or take the BSD-licensed code from Wonka as a basis for their
> >>efforts.
> >
> >
> > (Tim breaks out into an Hallelujah Chorus :-) )
>
> Amen, brother, and all that.
>
> >
> >>Does it sound feasible? I believe it is the easiest way to go forward
> >>fast, rather than getting stuck on who owns what under which license and
> >>how they may or may not interact. Harmony already has a sizeable chunk
> >>of the minimal needed set of classes, and so has GNU Classpath,
> >>nevermind potential contributors using proprietary implementations.
> >
> >
> > +lots.
> >
>
> Great, we are in violent agreement! Someone make a picture! :)
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
> p.s. you know that after talking about all this stuff for the next week,
> I'll drag you come for FOSDEM to give us an introduction into how it all
> fits together, and why, and so on.
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> Hi Davanum,
>
> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 09:45 -0500, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Personally, i'd like to see progress on the "VM Interface" ASAP, that
> > would go a long way to remov
e my point?
thanks,
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On 12/5/05, Anthony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 00:13 -0500, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > But even then, there is no guarantee that people will want to do it
> > because they can't make a closed fork if they want to for wh
not use classpath's built-in stuff (this would end
users can mix and match stuff to make their distribution) that would
be even better. But "VM Interface" is priority #1.
Thanks,
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> Hi Davanum,
>
> On Sun, 200
7;d allow us to do the same.
>
> Is there something left that would speak against using GNU Classpath
> in Harmony, after we have established as a fact that the ASF is indeed
> happily distributing code using code under the same sort of licenses
> and has been doing so for years?
>
> If not, then let's do it.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
> >
> > geir
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o showing how to prove that the Apache
> Software Foundation is indeed shipping GPL+linking exception licensed
> bits in there, if that would help cut any armchair lawyering short.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
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ork together
> on cool
> code without worrying about licensing". If lots of people are less worried
> about the
> LGPL than about other licenses, then that means the LGPL is, in my world
> view, a nice
> license. It would probably be best to try and make those worried people worry
> less
> about the GPL+Exception, but that seems like a very hard thing to do.
>
> I hope the above made sense...
>
> - LSD
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vious, since none of the legal stuff is driven by anyone
on this list, we should move forward with technical solutions...stuff
that geir has always pushed for.
Is there a better plan of attack?
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r or not you make a distinction between this kind of GPL+exception
> usage and libstdc++ or GNU Classpath usage hardly matters, since the
> licenses themselves don't make a distinction.
>
> AG
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interested in solving the licensing issues.
>
> That said, I think that to be fair, we need to distinguish between
> "using" in the sense of what GCC is doing - a tool outside the scope
> of effort of the project enabling some behavior in a standard and non-
> intrusive
[ ] -1 Don't accept the code. Reason :
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> (+1 from me, of course...)
>
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Harmony.
>
> The archive contains the README file that explains the things doable
> with this code, but should any additional clarification be required, I
> am ready to answer any questions. Please try this code out!
>
> Mikhail Loenko,
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Anthony,
People who are willing to go the GPL route for their code have lots of
avenues as u know...
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> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 00:48 -0500, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > that's the prerogative of the contributor..
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> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 00:36 -0500, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Anthony,
> >
> > Am sure you are aware that Apache does not get contributors to assign
&g
icensed code, because we still have Apache's "additional
> restrictions" to worry about. This is a non-starter for a GNU project.
>
> I like the creative thinking though.
>
> AG
>
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> >
> > geir
> >
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loperWorks download is available now:
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/harmony
>
>
> Any questions just shout.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
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he community with his experience and knowledge.
>
> Congratulations,
>
> The Apache Harmony PPMC
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> > minimum if we develop keeping multiple compilers in mind from the
> > beginning itself. Adding compiler support after the project has a
> > sizeable existing codebase would be quite painful.
> >
> > As Boost shows, multi compiler support is doable with some effort.
> > Anyone out there with real life experiences they care to contribute?
> >
> > - tanuj
> >
> ...snip...
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ould be "j2sdk\include\win32".
> >>
> >> Second is when building the included file "jni_md.h" breaks
> >> everything
> >> as it defines jlong as "__int64" and not "long long".
> >>
> >> Fixing both is pretty easy, either edit config/config_opts_always.gcc
> >> or rename the directory from win32 to cygwin.
> >>
> >> The second you can either edit jni_md.h and change "__int64" to "long
> >> long" or include a define directive, or something like this, in
> >> config/config_opts_always.gcc.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what would be the best way to fix this on build.sh, as
> >> the first issue is related to build enviroment and the second about
> >> incompatible compilers ("__int64" works on MSVC and ICC but not gcc)
> >>
> >> []s
> >> Rodrigo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan Lydick
> >>
> >
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> > in 1985 and 1989, respectively.
> >
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> >>the future.
> >>
> >
> >
> > [ X ] +1 Accept the code into the project sandbox
>
> +1
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> > [ ] +1 Accept the code into the project sandbox
> > [ ] -1 Don't accept the code. Reason :
> >
> > This vote will close 72 hours from now.
> >
> > geir
> >
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> [ ] -1 Don't accept the code. Reason :
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converge around
> >>as we get moving.
> >
> >
> > I totally agree with that. I discussed earlier with Weldon Washburn
> > and Geir about using the Java Coding Conventions where possible (See
> > [2] and follow-ups), but this still doesn't cover things like directory
> > structure, some aspects of documentation policy, etc., and there was no
> > decision yet.
> >
> > Regards,
> > David.
> >
> > [1]
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/200509.mbox/[EMAIL
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> > [2]
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> >
> >>geir
> >>
> >>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>Mladen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
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I normally would put a 3 day review period, but this code is small
> > and I want to use this to test the process
> > 3) Once we accept (I expect we will) ( and if David gets his Bulk
> > Contrib Agreement and Software Grant in!) we'll put in sandbox and
> > away we go...
> >
> > Thanks for the patience
> >
> > geir
> >
> >
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ion on file as of the date of them
> > being added as a commmitter.
> >
> > 3) The individual would be given free reign in the area to which
> > they contributed, and trusted to engage with the relevant part of
> > the community for other areas of our codebase/resourcebase.
> >
> > Comments? If people agree to this, I'd like to add this to our
> > website as part of the project policy.
> >
> > geir
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n 9/20/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 20, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> > Geir,
> >
> > When folks have sent in their ACQ/ICLA, we should give them direct
> > commit access (after maybe a VOTE on the ppmc list). I r
Geir,
When folks have sent in their ACQ/ICLA, we should give them direct
commit access (after maybe a VOTE on the ppmc list). I really don't
like putting so many road blocks, what exactly are we waiting for?
> Assuming that all is well with the ACQ, this means that we can accept
> the code you ha
he
> discussion :-)
>
> -Andy
>
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gt; >
> > > Ricardo,
> > >
> > > Do you intend to put some words to your attachment?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
> > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
> >
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e supplied with MMTK:
> > >
> > > MMTk is free, open source software, distributed and freely
> > > redistributable under the Common Public License (CPL). The CPL has
> > > been certified by the Open Source Initiative as an open source
> > > license. The CPL meets the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.cs.unm.edu/~danielf
> > >
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> IMHO the major issue is to put all the requirements for the
> classpath on the paper, and then to see if the GNU classpath is
> usable, and if not, can it be adopted to fulfill all the requirements.
Mladen,
Patience my friend. It's happening. But slowly :)
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bugzilla for Harmony now (thanks dims):
> > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Harmony
>
> We don't need both.
>
> geir
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mark
> >
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x27;.
>
> Dave's last posting was based on direct threading technique and his saying
> was correct about direct threading but my posting was incorrect in advance.
>
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he goals of JC as well (as a result, e.g.,
> the native methods in JC (not including JNI) have zero overhead). And
> JC's code generator is written in Java, so a major portion of JC is
> written in Java too.
>
> -Archie
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tified. If
> there is no gatekeeper, I volunteer for this job. There are two
> sections on modules and interfaces. They overlap. Ultimately we need
> one section. Should I add my detail to my section and leave the
> resolution of overlap to another time?
> Thanks
> Weldon
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Thanks,
> > dims
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t; - Memory allocator - allocator for non-Java-heap memory
> - Finalizer module
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nly).
> > >
> > > I understand that it is important that we seize the enthusiasm of
> > > the list and start working, but respectfully, I think that cutting
> > > code for a VM kernel right now would be a bad mistake, one that
> > > might be gratifying in t
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> > http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/People
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a way for you to tell us you are
interested].
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n May 23, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> > Geir,
> >
> > Am not sure u understood where i am coming from. (I feel that u saying
> > that we are not going to get commit privs for folks interested till
> > the design discussions are over AND that design
committers/community decide on how best to move forward. We don't
(mentors) have to pick the "winner"? do we?
Thanks,
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On 5/23/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On May 23, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> > Geir,
> > Am
ents (I hope so), designs (I am sure), or mechanisms
> (certainly).
>
> I understand that it is important that we seize the enthusiasm of the
> list and start working, but respectfully, I think that cutting code for
> a VM kernel right now would be a bad mistake, one that might b
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about donating JamVM to Harmony? As the (currently)
> sole owner he should have no problem with switching licenses.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
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FYI, there is a link on top of the page, you can create an user id to
edit the page.
thanks,
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On 5/20/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Just to get to know each other and where everyone is coming
> from...i've added a page on Wiki:
> http
s
from the proposal and from some of the threads to make the template.
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Bryce,
+1 to add it to bookmarks. actually you can too...wiki is editable.
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On 5/20/05, Bryce Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Great find, can that be added to the wiki under Bookmarks?
>
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layer that instantiates the rest of the VM --
> again, a la JikesRVM -- is probably a good design decision and
> something that can be worked on immediately; not that I'm
> volunteering for that myself ;) .
>
>
> best,
> -Rob
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JIRA: http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10740
SVN: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/harmony/
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ll evil. Moreover, we placed
> > enormous faith in the optimizing compiler. The philosophy was to
> > assume the optimizing compiler was smart enough to optimize around our
> > coding abstractions, and then to do careful performance analysis after
> > the fact and see where we were being let down. In some cases the
> > compiler was improved to deal with our approach, other times we
> > modified our approach.
> >
> > Over time we learned certain idioms which on one hand meant we tended
> > to get reasonable performance first shot, but on the other may have
> > undermined the natural Java style we started with.
> >
> > While I understand what you mean when you say: "a program designed in
> > Java will naturally tend to be slower then a program designed in C",
> > addressing that concern is one of the most important challenges of
> > language implementation, and is why Java performance has improved so
> > greatly over the past five years.
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --Steve
>
>
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t interfaces as well as JVM and .NET design in general.
> I really look forward to discussing these ideas. It would be great if
> we can quickly get to the point where we can discuss interface
> details. For example, I would like to start a detailed discussion on
> JIT and GC interface header files. Should we start this on the
> general harmony-dev list?
> Weldon
>
> >
> > Tom
> >
>
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Noel Bergman (binding)
Alex Karasulu
Davanum Srinivas (binding)
Geir Magnusson (binding)
Paul Hammant (binding)*
* provided copyright and trademark issues appropriately considered
+0 from Vote thread
===
Niclas Hedhman
-1 from Vote thread
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ding the idea of open-source Java."
> >
> > welcome to the matrix, guys ;)
> >
> > On 5/17/05, Tomer Barletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://www.devx.com/Java/Article/28125?trk=DXRSS_JAVA
> >>
> >> Looks like Doc java is pretty upset...
> >>
> >
>
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Here's more information on GCJ ABI:
ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/summit/2004/GCJ%20New%20ABI.pdf
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On 5/16/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Short Story: Please take a look if you haven't already -
> http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~sanseri/kaffe/k2.html
>
&g
efano.
> >
> >
>
> If there is no objection to use this compiler, I can do that.
>
> Please, let me know.
>
> patrice
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y
> about most of the legal mess. So don't, and get to work :-)
>
> Thanks and happy hacking!
>
> - Leo
>
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tage of the development and a lot of stuff
> > are currently actively discussed, but is there nothing of this list we can
> > begin to code, maybe just as proof of concept, or to try some solutions ?
> >
> > I'm on windows platform, and i can participate to the compiler o
oline function. When invoked, the trampoline function invokes the
translator for the method and fixes up the dispatch table to point to
the newly-loaded native code.
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200, Sven de Marothy wrote:
> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > - We don't want to modify any classpath code. If we need changes, we
> > > can work with classpath folks.
> > > - We don't want to add classpath sources to our tree. this will avoid
> > >
with those goals, Apache's goals with
> Harmony, and the Apache License, if that's possible. We can then make the
> three texts (the classpath exception, the goals to be achieved with the
> exception, an alternative proposal) subject of a discussion, perhaps via
> concall.
>
> Sound like a plan? Mark, I think you've got my cell if you want a
> high-bandwidth chat :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Leo
>
>
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ssing and bytecode
> > generation. It does not depend on the rest of gcc at all. It is
> > written in C++.
> >
> > kjc is also out there and being developed, but I don't know much about
> > it.
> >
> > Tom
> >
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.
> > >
> > > -- Bob
> >
> > And how would a componentized system with multiple configuration choices
> > force them to? The Sun JVM has many GC algorithms to choose from, yet
> > many people are unaware of it and use happily the default.
> >
&g
oops. operator error
(https://svn.sable.mcgill.ca/wsvn/sable/?rev=1732&sc=1) threw me off.
SableVM does not use MMTk. But still
-- dims
On 5/13/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> This is great!!! I love the idea of using JikesRVM and one another
like to see him shut up.
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Archie,
Cool! i missed that, sorry. Added to wiki
(http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/) under "Volunteers with
Contributions". Thanks.
-- dims
On 5/12/05, Archie Cobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > - Wish one or more of the existing VM'
C, if the JVM
> > is
> > written in Java.
>
> This has been done successfully by existing Java-in-Java virtual machines.
> JikesRVM is open source - you could read the code and find out how it
> does it if you want :)
>
> cheers,
> Robin
>
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th
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Ok. understood.
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On 5/13/05, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Mladen,
> >
> > Can you please join the IRC? then we can summarize what we talked to the
> > lsit.
> >
>
> Please, please don't put al
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