Jeremy Brooking said:
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 16:58, Mad Scientist wrote:
Not always the case though, for example you can route traffic on a
48i. Guess it all comes down to what layer the switch is.
Doesn't that really make it a router/switch? It depends on
configuration. Like a 486 isn't a
On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 12:43, Mad Scientist wrote:
48i not a 486 :)
That's right. A 486 is a general purpose computer. And a 48i is a 48 port
10/100 switch. Neither one is a router in its default configuration. Both
can be made into routers. That's the point I was making.
a 48i wont even
Ronin wrote:
What I find most funny is that everyone else is wrong and he is right.
Typical child mentality. And your information is STILL wrong, Stefan.
*chuckles*
Actually the child mentallity is to repetedly say someone else is wrong
and don't know what they are talking about without ever
Matt wrote:
I'm hoping for this schedule.
2:00pm EST - IDE vs SCSI flamewar
4:00pm EST - Cheating flamewar
5:00pm EST - Opera
6:00pm EST - flamewar flamewar
10:00pm EST - someone unsubscribes and sends scathing goodbye note
10:01pm EST - huge flamewar
12:00pm EST - someone posts legit question
Mad Scientist wrote:
And most firewall are
routers too (let's get the firewall definition guy started again :P)
Just for the record: no, they are not. Some are, but not most of them.
:)
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Mad Scientist wrote:
Stefan Huszics said:
Mad Scientist wrote:
I do believe you meant maximum speed...
Actually no. A maximum speed garantee wouldn't be much of a garantee
now would it ;)
Um, why not? It's the fastest they guarantee the chip will run at, hence,
maximum speed. They do not
Hmm, really? All the firewalls I've installed lately are routers also...
If the firewall not is a router at the same time it must work
transparently, that is 2NIC's that is bridged togheter and with the
firewall that sits between and filtering all the stuff.
This is somehow not that good as if you
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-Hmm, really? All the firewalls I've installed lately are routers
it's becoming more and more obvious that you have no
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it makes you look cool. Newsflash, it doesn't
Newslfash, using newsflash in a sentence that way is very...dorky :P
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Hmm, really? All the firewalls I've installed lately are
routers also...
Guys, since this seems to be a recent affliction on this site:
Please remember that your own experience doesn't not necessarily
translate to global truth.
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Newslfash, using newsflash in a sentence that way is
very...dorky :P
Hahaha
You know what made that more entertaining? Newslfash! It's like
another Ghezundheit!
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A router (by my reckoning, anyway) would be any device that routes
packets between networks. A NAT device does this; a switch does not.
I think thats correct, be it $100 or $38,000 not including
operating system (thanks Cisco) if it moves packets from IP
network to another, its a router.
oh, yeah, must keep this thread going!
Well, they are classed 'non routable', but they are fully routable...
A NAT device is somehow in the grey zone because it's connected to at
least 2 networks. And somewhere in the device it route packets. But as
you said, the packets also get translated which
Your talking about 192.169.ect.ect 10.x.x.x ? A Cisco will route and
advertise those blocks just like any other addresses unless you filter
them out. There is no hard coded rule in a cisco that stops joe idiot
from annoucing 192.169.x.x to the world besides the clueful admin and
his bogon
I think I would choose... hmm... sock, I mean that is also used to keep
stuff(read smelly feet) where it's suposed to be.
And what if the 'device' includes stuff like port filter rules, regular
routing and things that are used in the so called 'broadband routers'
and common firewalls? aaah, now
And what if the 'device' includes stuff like port filter rules,
regular routing and things that are used in the so called
'broadband routers' and common firewalls? aaah, now it's getting
tricky!
Actually, combining independent functions is pretty common in network
equipment. However, I'd
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 23:16, Ronin wrote:
What I find most funny is that everyone else is wrong and he is
right. Typical child mentality. And your information is STILL
wrong, Stefan.
*chuckles*
So, anyone up for some good SCSI vs IDE action?
What's to
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 23:16, Ronin wrote:
What I find most funny is that everyone else is wrong and he is
right. Typical child mentality. And your information
Deacon said:
So, anyone up for some good SCSI vs IDE action?
What's to discuss? SCSI is obviously a great thing if you've got the
extra cash burning a hole in your pocket, but it's simply a question of
whether you can fit it into your budget.
Personally, I'm happy with my 8MB cache WD SE
Matt said:
2:00pm EST - IDE vs SCSI flamewar
4:00pm EST - Cheating flamewar
5:00pm EST - Opera
6:00pm EST - flamewar flamewar
10:00pm EST - someone unsubscribes and sends scathing goodbye note
10:01pm EST - huge flamewar
12:00pm EST - someone posts legit question inciting a flamewar
Can
Matt wrote:
So, anyone up for some good SCSI vs IDE action?
Yes :)
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Well...
Not to egg things on but I would be interested in everyones take on this.
Personally I've got 10k U160 drives in two of my PCs at home. One PC is
IDE as are the servers. I know I know, kinda stupid. But my servers
don't do much but store mp3s. :P
Now, I'm getting ready to set up a
No, but AMD ownz, Intel sux. Oh, and RedHat ownz, slack sux. So does
all *BSD.
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No, but AMD ownz, Intel sux. Oh, and RedHat ownz, slack sux.
So does all *BSD.
Hondaman, you're a fucktard. Though I use and support the items
you listed, you're a fucktard. Extremists are fucktards.
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Jeremy Brooking said:
2am Flamewar over who started the flamewar
Not sure if I can make that one. Is it OK if I post the next morning?
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bah, stop telling yourself lies. I mean, if you don't want to go with
scsi raid, then who can resist an 3ware escalade controller with 12
120gb IDE discs ;)
No, time to sleep and wake up 6hours later with 284new
: Re: [hlds_linux] Dualie Athlons?
That doesn't seem like 1 single array :P
And you know that we'll have to kill you when you write stuff like C:
/Oscar
Ronin wrote:
C: 95.13GB out of 114.47GB F: 14.53GB out of 19.06GB H: 1.05GB out
of
271.98GB I: 1.03GB out of 4GB P: 65.64GB out
If you would only go look up the definition you would see but you won't.
You will simply hold to your incorrect thoughts. Go read a book. Nuff
said.
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 18:04, Me wrote:
Just because you've done something for a long time doesn't mean you've
been doing it right. Not that
I did a 2GB copy from Linux to a Windows machine
using Samba. I got 5.85MB/sec.
Hint: use FTP instead. I can max out my 100Mb switched network
connection between my workstation and server using FTP, literally
pushing 95Mb to 97Mb, sustained.
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Oh of course not, im sure you know far more than I. Hence why
you regard ZoneAlarm as a firewall.
Of course, I still see people referring to home NAT devices as
routers, too, so...
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A home NAT box is a router. It is routing packets between your local network
and your DSL connection (and performing NAT on the packets). A router routes
packets :)
Eric (Deacon) wrote:
Oh of course not, im sure you know far more than I. Hence why
you regard ZoneAlarm as a firewall.
Of
Deacon said:
Oh of course not, im sure you know far more than I. Hence why
you regard ZoneAlarm as a firewall.
Of course, I still see people referring to home NAT devices as
routers, too, so...
A NAT device is a router... it has different subnets on each interface,
doesn't it?
And ZoneAlarm
Matt wrote:
The 1700+ will work good but now you loose your 333Mhz FSB feature!!
Why would I ever consider sticking to 266 busspeed when I overclock
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Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Dualie Athlons? [OT]
I realise that fully. Have you not read the switching to 5.0
articles/warnings on freebsd.org?
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Ronin wrote:
I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's a pretty damn healthy
jump (600Mhz or so).
Not when you consider that the exact same CPU core stepping is also
sold as the XP 2800+
If you are going to overclock you should always get the smallest version
of a specific CPU line
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Not that I disagree w/ you, but from what I've seen on hardocp posts,
there
are some cpus that will do the overclock, but they have stated that its
not
uniform across all
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Ronin wrote:
I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's a pretty damn healthy
jump (600Mhz or so).
Not when you consider that the exact same
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:27:45PM -0800, Ronin wrote:
I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's a pretty damn healthy
jump (600Mhz or so). Buying a processor for the express intent to OC is
fine and dandy, but that's not what you want to do on a system that you plan
on making your
12, 2003 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Dualie Athlons?
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:27:45PM -0800, Ronin wrote:
I wouldn't count on going to 2500+ speeds. That's a pretty damn healthy
jump (600Mhz or so). Buying a processor for the express intent to OC is
fine and dandy, but that's
PM
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-Is this not a thread about starting a new machine, not upgrading ?
-I am refering to a new build, not having to upgrade/cvsup at all.
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-My bad if this is an upgrading topic.
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-Apparently that's exactly what he has, as he seems to think he's going to
-get better performance by buying a lower end processor and OCing
-it, and if
-it fries, so what...he goes to buy another, and by the time he's done with
-it, he would have saved
.
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Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Dualie Athlons? [OT]
What I was talking about, could be applied either or...
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/early-adopter.html
They say
a word of warning, 5.0 still has a shitload of debugging stuff enabled
by default, which slows down its performance enough that you might as
well stick w/ the 4.8 release.
Drew Broadley said:
FreeBSD 5.0 is offically a RELEASE.
It may be a RELEASE but it's not a STABLE. There is still
It's always a trade-off. Increased security always means decreased
usability.
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 09:49, Me wrote:
Oh I agree 100%. Security is very important. It's really hard to get
my clients to realize how important. To them, it's just a server
reinstall. They refuse to grasp the
It's always a trade-off. Increased security always means decreased
usability.
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 09:49, Me wrote:
Oh I agree 100%. Security is very important. It's really hard to get
my clients to realize how important. To them, it's just a server
reinstall. They refuse to grasp the
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 13:53, Me wrote:
It's always a trade-off. Increased security always means decreased
usability.
No, theres no increased security, just increased stupidity.
Breaking PMTU does not increase security, only decreases usability.
No trade off there.
FreeBSD 4.6.2 / 4.7 are only classed as RELEASE aswel, there is CURRENT
which is the development of 5.0 which soon will become 5.1-RELEASE
a word of warning, 5.0 still has a shitload of debugging stuff enabled
by default, which slows down its performance enough that you might as
well stick
is
questionable.
*loves when he decides to return to the list and gets challenged*
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Ronin wrote:
I wouldn't count
(by using HardOCP as an example)
as his standard of what a CPU will or will not do. That's just a bad
idea, period.
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Wasn't directed at you, Kevin. I know you know better :p
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lol, ive never overclocked a cpu in my life, except the odd
I had an 800 mHz Celeron running at 1200 on my server for like a
month and half until we upgraded. It actually helped. And things
somehow didn't get more unstable.
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OTOH, he could just be doing it for fun. I've done
Mad Scientist wrote:
Stefan Huszics said:
Gees, now you are just making a fool out of yourself.
There is absolutely NOTHING that can blow from overclocking as long as
you keep within the specifed voltages and MHz speeds for which the CPU
was designed.
Temperature... electron migration... slow
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 14:59, Me wrote:
Security should never impact usability of something. If it does, then
something is not doing what it was designed to do.
That's just plain wrong.
I guess I just need to give you an example our you just can't see it.
Let's say you are sitting behind
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Mad Scientist wrote:
Stefan Huszics said:
Gees, now you are just making a fool out of yourself.
There is absolutely NOTHING that can blow from overclocking
Tyler \Overkill\ Schwend said:
I like cheese. And I have friends.
Ease up guys. It's just a game. Er, a thread, or a processor, or
whatever.
wtf are you talking about? Short quotes are good. No quotes are as bad as
full quotes.
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wtf are you talking about? Short quotes are good. No
quotes are as bad as
full quotes.
Mad, the conversation got really hostile all the sudden over
something pretty stupid. Just a reminder of what we're all
dealing with.
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Stefan Huszics said:
Did you miss the part of my post that sais within the specifed voltages
and MHz speeds for which the CPU was designed?
The CPU is designed to run at the speed stamped on the box. It will run
fine at that speed. What's that got to do with overclocking?
If you have 2 CPUs
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Dualie Athlons?
wtf are you talking about? Short quotes are good. No
quotes are as bad as
full quotes.
Mad, the conversation got really hostile all the sudden over
something pretty stupid. Just a reminder of what we're all
dealing with.
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Tyler \Overkill\ Schwend said:
wtf are you talking about?
Mad, the conversation got really hostile all the sudden over
something pretty stupid. Just a reminder of what we're all
dealing with.
Oh, OK. Must have been those parts of the posts I ignored... Thanks for
the quote so I have a clue
FreeBSD 5.0 is offically a RELEASE.
Does that differ, then, from STABLE?
RELEASE == STABLE
CURRENT == DEV
Afaik, that has been the practise I have been following (and have been
taught) and had no problems of hitting development kernels or any
addition/debugging output.
Jeremy Brooking said:
When implimenting security measures they should never impact the service
itself, if it does, chances are the service was being used/setup wrong
in the first place.
For the most part, this is true. However, security measures such as
multi-factor authentication add
Ronin wrote:
I'm still waiting for you to prove that you have knowledge above and beyond
anything short of basic. I'm not seeing it.
Well, sometimes you can't see the wood for all the trees ;)
At least I backed up what I had to say. Can you?
You backed up what? I didn't see any references
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:10, Mad Scientist wrote:
Jeremy Brooking said:
When implimenting security measures they should never impact the service
itself, if it does, chances are the service was being used/setup wrong
in the first place.
For the most part, this is true. However, security
Drew Broadley said:
RELEASE == STABLE
CURRENT == DEV
Negative.
For 4.x, RELEASE == STABLE; CURRENT == DEV.
For 5.0, RELEASE == CURRENT == DEV. STABLE != EXISTS.
It's in the release notes...
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Yes, I am. Excuse me for using Microsoft software, I'm such an
idiot.
I just don't see the point in changing the subject line in a
thread that's already begun.
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From my personal experience and that of other techs I work with, Tyan
motherboards have a high rate of defects. Although they have a nice set
of features, your chances of getting hosed are much higher if you go with
them.
Get a twin set of p4 2.8ghz xeons with 8gb of ram and a SATA RAID, solve
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:18 PM [GMT+1200=NZT],
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Yes, I am. Excuse me for using Microsoft software, I'm such an
idiot.
I just don't see the point in changing the subject line in a
thread that's already begun.
Lemme see... maybe so that
I'm sorry, I'm PMSing right now. I'm going to go take some Beano.
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 14:28, Jeremy Brooking wrote:
This is how threading is done (as well as the In-Reply-To header in some
cases) If your client does thread on this, then it is breaking a
commonly practised standard.
That should be 'does not thread on this' sorry.
I'm running Outlook 2000 Threaded view, and it certainly
seems to do threading by subject
Maybe it's just trying to piss me off.
/me damns everything.
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