Modern manufacturing methods don't lessen the expertise required to get a
good result. If your goal is to produce a quick and cheap horn, it is easily
done. Yamaha has apparently applied the necessary expertise and gotten their
processes under control. People who have been through the Kanstul
In a message dated 9/28/2003 4:52:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> When you compare your custom horn to the student model, were the individual
>
> parts hand made or reworked from the assembly line? I'm pretty much
> guessing
> at how the horns are actually made, but
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> What is luthiery work? I see that a luthier is a lute-maker.
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>
It's common term used for guitar or other acoustic stringed instrument work.
I've done a fair amount of restoration and some actual buil
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> Hmm that's funny because I've owned 2 Custom Yamaha horns and they both in
> fact
> played better than any of their student horns. If someone is accustomed to
> playing machine-made horns, a hand made horn
I meant no insult towards yamaha custom horns, I wish I could afford one
myself.I was only pointing out the consistencies of the 667 through
automation. When it comes to a custom horn being different than an automated horn I
don't believe there to be much difference- maybe some experts on t
Hmm that's funny because I've owned 2 Custom Yamaha horns and they both in fact
played better than any of their student horns. If someone is accustomed to
playing machine-made horns, a hand made horn is likely to feel different, which
without ample time to adjust, inferior. I know it took me a bit
I remember getting my Holton 280 some eight years ago. It was brand new at
the time but there were several things about it that were just not right, like
lacquer bubbles and the second valve slide which seemed to be 2 degrees off
from perpendicular. It played allright but within three years I ha
Of course it's in the manufacturing, but not so much automation as in clever
fixturing and well designed tools. Once the expensive NC equipment is in
place, design changes are done using AutoCAD files to make parts like hydroforming
dies, bending fixtures, soldering fixtures. If the individual
hmm i wonder if automation has something to do with this. all of yamaha's cusom horns
are made "by hand". maybe the japanese are onto a consistant product?
hoss
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> Why would any dealer in his right mind want to stock one?
>
Why, indeed? And, you can turn that around: why would any dealer NOT want
to go to the factory to pick the horns he or she wanted to sell?
I have yet to play a Yamaha "custom" horn that plays as well as the student
model of the same horn, and the student models play consistently quite well.
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On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 11:54 AM, Alan Cole wrote:
Buy a Yamaha. -AC.
This may or may not be a solution. There was a story making the rounds
several years ago that one of the very large mail order dealers was
selling Yamaha B stock without labeling them as such and was in fact
Buy a Yamaha. -AC.
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What should the average buyer do to make sure they aren't selecting from
the dregs?
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> In a message dated 9/25/2003 11:35:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
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> I'm also interested in your opinion regarding Holton quality in general and
> especially for the H200. Is it s
My reference to model 42 is from the tag that was attached to it by Osmun. I
got it quite a while ago, and I suspect the price on it may have been old.
There is some lacquer missing, indicating some repairs have been done, but the
horn is factory tight. If I offered it for sale, there are sev
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I'm also interested in your op
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I'm also interested in your opinion regarding Holton quality in general and
especially for the H200. Is it safe to buy that horn as a special delivery
without testing, for exampel over the internet?
Hi,
Hol
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I went shopping for an H200 a few years ago. I discovered they are quite
rare and had to do a lot
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> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Holton quality, especially H200
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> Hakan,
>
> Someone on this list or the other recently bought a Holton
I went shopping for an H200 a few years ago. I discovered they are quite
rare and had to do a lot of calling to find one stocked. When I called Osmun,
his opinion was that it's an OK horn, if all you want to spend is $2500, and he
could probably track one down.
What he did have for sale was a
Hakan,
Someone on this list or the other recently bought a Holton double over the
Internet and actually had two sent with the seller fully aware that the
buyer's intent was to return one (or both) if found to be unacceptable. The
buyer also took both to a knowledgeable shop to assist in the evalu
If you can't actually sample several
horns at one time, as you could at
a convention (MENC), or IHS workshop,
try to get a horn shipped to you 'on
approval' from a major company such
as BrassWind/WoodWind, Giardinelli,
etc. I have had good luck paying for
shipping only, giving my credit card
numbe
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