Re: InfoPrint Printway worked buy no real paper received

2005-07-26 Thread Yan Ying
Hi, Thanks all. Now it seems that I have two way to setup the Printway.One is using Direct socket connection,we must know if hte printer support the function and the port number.Another is using LPR function,we must know the queue name of the printer. I will try these way.Thanks alot. Yan

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- But I was under the impression a multi-site GDPS/PPRC environment is suppose to offer continous availability, how does it do it if both CF are at one site and the site destroyed. If you're using dedicated standalone CF (not ICF), why whould it matter if the CF were local or physically

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Greg Dyck
PAV will give you up to eight SSCHs/RSCHs at a time per page data set. Wrong. ASM will start at most 2 I/Os to a page data set when WLM managed PAVs are in use. Otherwise it is a single I/O even if the device has 15 alias's assigned. Greg

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- GDPS is evolving. It hasn't reached that ideal state you are looking for. So far, if I recall correctly, only the SYSPLEX timers and the DASD are truly in synch. And, DASD is not bi-directional (yet) for the same volume. -- snip -- Ted, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by not

AW: How to access return codes of previous jobsteps

2005-07-26 Thread Thomas Ramseier
Hi Scott Thank you for explaining. So, I'll let the reasoncode aside. Below is the code to be added to the previously posted version of QJOBRC. This will show the abends occurred so far. Sample Output: Schtepp 001 Stepname: E900A1Pgmname: NOPCONTI Rc(dec): 32 Rc(hex): 0020 Schtepp

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... Ted, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by not bi-directional. ... It means I can only update at one site and back up to another. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread R.S.
Shane Ginnane wrote: Everyone else has had their say, why not me ... I size the PLPA to not spill. Yes I oversize it, but as Ron is fond of pointing, what's the cost of a few extra cylinders ???. I pamper ASM - page-only volumes, good pathing, separate ranks. You name it, ASM gets it. But as

AW: OSA-EXPRESS ICC and IOCDS

2005-07-26 Thread Thomas Ramseier
Pierre Below is an extract from our current IOCDS with 2 OSA-ICC, 2 Cus and 2x16 devices (200-20F, 210-21F respectively). CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),AD),SHARED,* PARTITION=((SYK,SYT,SY1,SY2,VM2,VM3),(=)),PCHID=331,* TYPE=OSC

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron Hawkins
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:53:30 -0700, Greg Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PAV will give you up to eight SSCHs/RSCHs at a time per page data set. Wrong. ASM will start at most 2 I/Os to a page data set when WLM managed PAVs are in use. Otherwise it is a single I/O even if the device has 15

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ron Hawkins
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:01:31 +0200, John Ticic [EMAIL PROTECTED] INFORMATIK.DE wrote: A prerequisite is that the PPRC feature is available on both subsystems. Discalaimer : My basis is IBM ESS. Ron - you could give us the HDS view. John. John, The HDS Point of view is the same as IBM's.

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ron Hawkins
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Ted, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by not bi-directional. ... It means I can only update at one site and back up to another. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming Ted, If I

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ambat Ravi Nair
ooo ... if IBM had that motto, the MVS wouldn't have progressed to z/OS. i believe if a change provide benefits that far outweighs the risks, i'd go for it. i've done DDCONS(NO) and used SMS to assign default dataclass to DSORG=PS so that DFHSM can migrate them later - else i end up with

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 7/26/2005 1:53:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ASM will start at most 2 I/Os to a page data set when WLM managed PAVs are in use. Otherwise it is a single I/O even if the device has 15 alias's assigned. Didn't know that. Live and learn. But

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread ibm-main
From: R.S. Yes, paging rate. My rate is 0 whenever I look at the data. It seems I have more memory than I need (or just *enough*). Do I have to pamper ASM ? Or rather just allocate PLPA, COMMON and several LOCALs ? Everybody decides this for themselves. Due to bad experience, I tend to be a

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... If I understand your response correctly, you mean that I can't have two boxes connected doing Remote Copy in both directions at the same time? ... No, I meant at the volume level. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming

Re: Mass PDS member string substitution utility?

2005-07-26 Thread John P Kalinich
Ed Finnel wrote: Think file182 PDS85 does what you need. Once you get it cooking and have toured the PROSE members. The command is: === rep * str1 str2 write The * should be changed to a : which specifies all members. I would run with the default of NOWRITE to see what would get changed before

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Ted, And it works twice as fast with one volume each for Common and PLPA - or PAV and PLPA and Common on one volume, but without the overflow. In case you didn't read the posts from Shane and myself, PLPA/Common paging is extremely disruptive, and doing away with an archaic practice in order to

zSeries Red alerts

2005-07-26 Thread John Ticic
I received a zSeries Red alert today but have not been able to locate the alert document at https://techsupport.services.ibm.com/server/redAlerts The alert is for HFS Red Alerts (2005.07.26)

Re: zSeries Red alerts

2005-07-26 Thread Mark Jacobs
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 08:21 am, John Ticic wrote: I received a zSeries Red alert today but have not been able to locate the alert document at https://techsupport.services.ibm.com/server/redAlerts The alert is for HFS Red Alerts (2005.07.26) Users of Hierarchical File System

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... If this is what you mean, then I can't see any sense in doing it. Could you clarify with an example? ... One direction: One site has IMS sharing with another site. A transaction comes into site 1, and is shipped to site 2 (primary DASD), I/O is done at site 2, backed up at site one

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... Two dedicated volumes for PLPA and Common is how it was designed to work. An overflowed PLPA is additional work (albeit small), and forcing overflow of PLPA when you have a dedicated volume is just plain silly. ... When I have PLPA (or CSA) paging, I'll consider it. (PS: try attacking the

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/26/2005 at 10:00 AM, Ron and Jenny Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Then that would be just plain pigheaded PKB. you are restricting the number of paging paths, not increasing. He's doing neither. The limit is still 2 exposures per paging data set. If you're

Re: Routine name/srb

2005-07-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/26/2005 at 01:27 AM, mary george [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In my system we are experiencing a S0A8 abend but the system does not seem to crash. Therofore I suspect that some recovery routine is been written to recover from this error. Now I want to know which routine

Re: zSeries Red alerts

2005-07-26 Thread Robert Justice
The alert that shows up is for GRS STAR, not HFS, and it's dated in February. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Ted, Thinking this through, the return lap is not necessary. With current synchronous mirroring a failure in site 1 will cause a recovery in site 2. A failure in site 2 would see production continue to run in site 1. A return lap mirror would be redundant. With GDPS, any IMS processing

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Shmuel, If all of PLPA page-in occurs from the one cylinder PLPA dataset then I totally agree with you. However, with PLPA overflowing into Common the majority of PLPA page-ins will come from the Common Page Dataset, not PLPA. You will have contention for the two exposures when concurrent

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Howard Brazee
On 25-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Yaeger) wrote: I guess I don't understand what you're trying to do. For the records you showed, you were treating records with 'N' in 22 as duplicates even though they had different characters in 21 ('*' and 'L'). If you are looking at 21-22, then

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread R.S.
Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote: [...] So tell me, if I am building a new system and allocating new PLPA, Common, and Locals, why wouldn't I simply allocate a larger PLPA without overflow this time around (with PAV). That would be two JCL changes: one to deduct CYLS from the Common and two; add them

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Coatney, Bill
Why not just change the sort statement from SORT FIELDS=(1,10,CH,A,21,2,CH,A) to SORT FIELDS=(1,10,CH,A,20,3,CH,A) Bill Coatney ANPAC - Information Services (417)-887-4990 ext. 2610 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... I used to allocate a one clinde PLPA and let COMMON have the rest of the volume; I believe that to still be a sound option. ... At least one person agrees with me. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Mike Bell
The quickest wayI know of is to split the file into 2 files one contain the 'L' and another that don't. sort both removing duplicates ( are there multiple ''L' records?) then merge the files removing duplicates and put the 'L' records first. MIke

JES2 OUTCLASS PROTECTION

2005-07-26 Thread Bob H
Hi all, Looking for advice on preventing unauthorized writes to specific JES2 output classes anyone have any nifty suggestions or are you using JES2 exits and job standards? We do have RACF but that doesn't appear to have anything for outclasses yet.

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Howard Brazee
On 26-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Coatney, Bill) wrote: Why not just change the sort statement from SORT FIELDS=(1,10,CH,A,21,2,CH,A) I need to eliminate duplicates - with column 21 not being part of the duplicate check, but with column 21 sorted anyway - so that the last duplicate is

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Ron and Jenny Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Shmuel, If all of PLPA page-in occurs from the one cylinder PLPA dataset then I totally agree with you. However, with PLPA overflowing into Common the majority of PLPA page-ins will come from the Common

Re: JES2 OUTCLASS PROTECTION

2005-07-26 Thread R.S.
Bob H wrote: Hi all, Looking for advice on preventing unauthorized writes to specific JES2 output classes anyone have any nifty suggestions or are you using JES2 exits and job standards? We do have RACF but that doesn't appear to have anything for outclasses yet. RACF doesn't protect

A newbie question...

2005-07-26 Thread Maciej K.
Hello list, With the recent discussion (regarding easy questions) in mind, hopefully this type of question will be forgiven. I would like to know your experience/opinions on how to set up an environment for backing up your DASD storage (i.e. syncing data between two seperate DASD arrays) over

Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Gould
1. Sticking It Out on MVS Customers continue to run mission-critical applications and systems on older MVS mainframes. In spite of IBM's best efforts, many (if not most) of these customers are staying put. The good news is that there's no shortage of vendors willing to help them do so. **Read

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Ted He used past tense: used to. So he doesn't do it any more (G, D R), but he thinks it is a sound option - as do I. I just do not think it is the best option for optimum paging throughput. I like to buy my insurance before the fire happens. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Ted, I agree that this is a perfectly sound option in a system that has little to no paging. However, the point that Ron is making (and I agree with) is that for those systems that are memory constrained, and, as such incur paging, that having a PLPA page-in blocked by common paging operations,

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... I just do not think it is the best option for optimum paging ... When we have sub-0.01 pages per second define 'optimum'. It must be nice to have a shop that is running so clean that this is something you 'need to address'. (8-{]} -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W.

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Mike Bell
dumb way without using merge 1. sort using your control cards but add INCLUDE to get just the 'L' 2, second sort using same control cards with include anything not 'L' 3. concat 'L' data first other second sort with your control cards and specify OPTIONS EQUALS which will keep the 'L' s first

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
However, with PLPA overflowing into Common the majority of PLPA page-ins will come from the Common Page Dataset, not PLPA. You will have contention for the two exposures when concurrent page-in requests for PLPA happen at the same time as Common Page-in/out activity using the same two

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Frank Yaeger
Howard Brazee wrote: Am I being more clear now? I'm not sure. It would have helped if you'd answered the question I asked: Are you looking for L specifically, or L because it collates after '*' or what? If you want the 'L' because it collates after the '*', then this DFSORT/ICETOOL job would

Re: A newbie question...

2005-07-26 Thread R.S.
Maciej K. wrote: Hello list, With the recent discussion (regarding easy questions) in mind, hopefully this type of question will be forgiven. I would like to know your experience/opinions on how to set up an environment for backing up your DASD storage (i.e. syncing data between two

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Radoslaw, No. Ron BTW: Is ther any disadvantage from having (slightly) overallocated PLPA dataset ? Of course except waste of few cylinders. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Ed Gould wrote: 1. Sticking It Out on MVS I must be missing something. Why do you consider it good news that an installation runs obsolete mainframe hardware and software? Wouldn't it be better if they upgraded to z/OS?? --

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread R.S.
Gentlemen, Since the answer to question below is NO, I really don't understand why to insist on 1 Cyl PLPA. Of course I understand when one doesn't want to change existing configuration. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote: Radoslaw, No. Ron BTW: Is ther

z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I have found the following (watch the wrap): http://search390.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid10_gci1110717,00.html?track=NL-170 but where's the IBM announcement letter? -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming

Red Alert is now available

2005-07-26 Thread Porowski, Ken
I just got a resend - Red Alerts (2005.07.26) RESEND - Users of Hierarchical File System (HFS) on z/OS 1.4 through 1.7 This REDALERT is now available for your viewing. We apologize for any confusion this problem may have caused. More

Re: The clamor begins for IBM to give up the code for OS/2

2005-07-26 Thread Scott Rowe
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:02:54 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adieu... _http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7652606/_ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7652606/) Ed, While it's very big of you to post evidence that proves my point - we both stated we would drop this thread. If you still desire to

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Craig Kittendorf
Because they're management, it was brought to their attention, and it is an error, i.e. message id ends in E. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: A newbie question...

2005-07-26 Thread Marian Gasparovic
Can you do PPRC or XRC over IP ? I don't think so. Or am I just ignorant ? Marian On 7/26/05, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej K. wrote: Hello list, With the recent discussion (regarding easy questions) in mind, hopefully this type of question will be forgiven. I would like to

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Dean Montevago
so do they have to be allocated next to one another ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL Gentlemen, Since the answer

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Howard Brazee
On 26-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Yaeger) wrote: Are you looking for L specifically, or L because it collates after '*' or what? I suspect the latter. At any rate, I'll try your multi-pass solution. I was thinking that would be what was needed, but was hoping not. (I'll have to

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Ted MacNEIL wrote: I have found the following (watch the wrap): http://search390.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid10_gci1110717,00.html?track=NL-170 but where's the IBM announcement letter? Have patience. Search390.com jumped the gun! --

Re: A newbie question...

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/26/2005 9:50:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would greatly appreciate if you shared your experience or at the very least directed me to the right solution. _www.cnt.com_ (http://www.cnt.com) is the clear leader at this. Priced

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... so do they have to be allocated next to one another ? ... Ideally, yes. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Dean Montevago
thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL ... so do they have to be allocated next to one another ? ...

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Gibney, David Allen,Jr
Any rumors on the z8 for us little folks? :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z9 Announcement Have patience. Search390.com

Re: A newbie question...

2005-07-26 Thread Hal Merritt
Short answer: doable, but not easy. Slightly longer answer: there is simply too much data, the bandwidth too small, and the windows too small to not have some sort of detailed plan. One example plan: the last step in the batch process is to simply FTP the updated files to the remote site.

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Bruce boda wrote: WHAT IS THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT ? IBM System z9. The successor to zSeries. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL

Re: zSeries Red alerts

2005-07-26 Thread Hal Merritt
All should have received an update with the correction. The HFS issue is now on the page. https://techsupport.services.ibm.com/server/redAlerts Hal. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Justice Sent: Tuesday, July 26,

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/26/2005 12:11:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The information is supposed to appear on IBM.COM at any time. Loading started at 1230 ET. Made it, thanks a bunch. _http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/systems/systemz9/feature072605/?ca=systemsmet=

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Dean, If one follows the IBM recommendations then you are configuring PLPA and Common for a non-cached, non-RAID 4200 RPM SLED, and in that case they should go together with PLPA in front. Of course that device hasn't been built or shipped for 10% of a century. In actual fact 2/3 of one Virtual

Re: A newbie question...

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Ed, That would be www.mcdata.com. CNT have ceased to be. Also, if you are going to do IP extension over metro distances than the Eclipse SAN Routers are probably a better, cheaper choice than the Big Mama USDX boxes or the Edge Routers. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Dean Montevago
Thanks Ron.These datasets are on a DMX-1000, RAID-1. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron and Jenny Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL Dean, If

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 7/26/2005 12:22:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is alternatively far more and far less seeking going on then you can ever tell by looking at things from the Host. Reducing seeking was not the only driver for their recommendation to place

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Bob Shannon wrote: It was revealed to the press at 10:00 AM eastern. The major news services all have the story. The last group to hear about it will be the customers. I don't get it. Must have been a last minute delay/rework of some kind. In spite of the partial web site update Ted

Re: IBMLINK

2005-07-26 Thread Bruce Black
I opened an IBMLINK Feedback. first answer was to call ATT support line, option 4. Option 4 is for dialup problems and the poor fellow had no idea what I was talking about. He made an effort to lookup info but eventually referred me back to IBM. IBM now tells me that ATT does have an open

Re: GDPS CF duplexing

2005-07-26 Thread Yi Ming
Hi, With regards to CF, if the failure where not a DASD failure but rather a CF failure. Given CF are at each site, and we're recommended not to duplex. How or under what conditions are we suppose to do CF duplexing ? Looks like high availability parallel sysplex CF duplexing is broken when we go

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Frank Yaeger
Howard Brazee wrote: Now I have to persuade people that it's time to allow some ICETOOL instead of DFSORT in. In the past I've been told everybody knows DFSORT and we don't want to train people in ICETOOL.It's a hard sell. The LASTDUP might do it - or it might not. I suspect that

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:31:40 -0700, Edward E. Jaffe wrote: Bob Shannon wrote: It was revealed to the press at 10:00 AM eastern. The major news services all have the story. The last group to hear about it will be the customers. I don't get it. Must have been a last minute delay/rework of some

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Dean, If you read up on the way EMC run their cache algorithms, they choose an M1 or an M2 for a logical volume's disk access based on the activity of other M1/M2 on the same physical disk, all with the intent of minimising inter-volume seek distance - a dynamic short stroking of sorts. Unless

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Staller, Allan
Found this link on the subject: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/systems/systemz9/z9109/ - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Bruce boda
So the big question remains, when is IBM going to END OF LIFE z800-z890-z900-z990 and force us onto Z9 ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Timothy Sipples
The System z9 news is now on http://www.ibm.com (front page). Reuters, AP, Wall Street Journal, Computerworld, Search390, Infoworld, scores of newspapers, CNN, etc. are all reporting. I'll give you all the very short technical version: this one's a big deal because it's 2X in pretty much

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Dean Montevago
Thanks Ron, Yes I am fimilar with the M1/M2 access. So I won't bother then.. Dean -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search

Re: Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Hal Merritt
Do I smell the foul stench of an incomplete migration to a PC platform?? To upgrade would require a public admission of the incomplete migration, and that the migration will not be complete anytime soon. And that would lead to questions why that is so. Politically unacceptable, methinks. But

Re: Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Bill Seubert
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:31:56 -0700, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must be missing something. Why do you consider it good news that an installation runs obsolete mainframe hardware and software? Wouldn't it be better if they upgraded to z/OS?? I struggled with this a little also,

Re: Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Bill Seubert wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:31:56 -0700, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must be missing something. Why do you consider it good news that an installation runs obsolete mainframe hardware and software? Wouldn't it be better if they upgraded to z/OS?? I

Re: Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/26/2005 1:54:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen that too, *far* too many times. When a customer stops upgrading, it's usually the kiss of death for their mainframe. I've seen many IT organizations with stabilized mainframes comparing

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Howard Brazee
On 26-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Yaeger) wrote: In that case, the following DFSORT/ICETOOL job would do what you want: //S2EXEC PGM=ICETOOL //TOOLMSG DD SYSOUT=* //DFSMSG DD SYSOUT=* //IN DD DSN=... input file //T1 DD DSN=T1,UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(5,5)),DISP=(,PASS) //OUT

Re: Duplicate sort order

2005-07-26 Thread Frank Yaeger
Howard Brazee wrote: No USING CTL1 in this sort. Oops. Yes, it should have the USING(CTL1). Just a fingercheck. Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Team (IBM) Specialties: ICETOOL, IFTHEN, OVERLAY, Symbols, Migration = DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

RMM Bins

2005-07-26 Thread Frank Habura
Need a little RMM help - after a CDS corruption I forward recovered and restarted RMM. I received a message that the recovery may have errors, so I ran EDGUTIL. It seems that a tape was assigned to two different bins. I can move the tape to a new location, but there are still two bins. I can't

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:59:03 -0500, Tom Schmidt wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:31:40 -0700, Edward E. Jaffe wrote: Must have been a last minute delay/rework of some kind. In spite of the partial web site update Ted found, there is still no official announcement. I can't remember past announcements

Re: Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 26 Jul 2005 12:17:35 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it more of an infrastructure issue? Don't throw more money at it if it's working becomes the working mantra. Then committees spring up to justify their existence and terms like 'modern appliances','legacy business fundamentals', and

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread R.S.
Timothy Sipples wrote: [...] - Direct frame upgrade paths from z900 and z990. Just curious: What does it mean exactly ? Is it marketing or technical option/possibility ? Explanation of terms above - marketing upgrade: you sign contract for 'upgrade' and IBM takes your old RVA and delivers

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread ibm-main
I am constantly suprised that upgrade was/is an option - we had it happen (z/900 - z/990). Same serial number, but about the only common components were a couple of cards. Used to be a *serious* point of contention when sales were in the offing, and there were multiple suppliers. I can remember

Re: RMM Bins

2005-07-26 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: Frank Habura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: RMM Bins Need a little RMM help - after a CDS corruption I forward recovered and restarted RMM. I received a message that the recovery may have

Macro GTRACE QUERY

2005-07-26 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Macro GTRACE support SYSSTATE AMODE64=YES for some requests but still fails for a QUERY in a SYSSTATE ARCHLVL=2 without a base register. AC 58F0 001000010 2008+ L 15,16(0,0) B0 BFF7 F0ED000ED 2009+ ICM 15,7,X'ED'(15) B4 58F0

Re: Macro GTRACE QUERY

2005-07-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc wrote: Macro GTRACE support SYSSTATE AMODE64=YES for some requests but still fails for a QUERY in a SYSSTATE ARCHLVL=2 without a base register. [snip] Well a simple CLM 15,B'',=XL4'0010' would help I believe these system macros

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Tom Russell
this has been an IBM recommendation for over 20 years. I dunno. I never liked the recommendation. If you run out of space in the Common Page DS you will crash with a wait state. It seems to me that with a PLPA page DS that is a bit bigger than your PLPA and a Common Page DS that is a

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Bill, This is brand new information, but I am not sure that it is correct. You state that simply butting PLPA and Common up against one another will cause ASM to treat them as one single dataset. I really don't think this is correct. AFAIK the Seldom Ending Channel Program running to the Common

Re: Good News For a Change

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Edward E. Jaffe wrote: Ed Gould wrote: 1. Sticking It Out on MVS I must be missing something. Why do you consider it good news that an installation runs obsolete mainframe hardware and software? Wouldn't it be better if they upgraded to z/OS?? Of

Re: z9 Announcement

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 26, 2005, at 12:59 PM, Staller, Allan wrote: Found this link on the subject: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/systems/systemz9/z9109/ Allan, Chuckle... did you see the threat to M/f is a linux logo?... talk about strange bedfellows. EEd

Re: ILR005E PLPA PAGE DATA SET FULL

2005-07-26 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Jim, Thanks for that - so it is more like a bus than a train :-) Is there any frequency or time associated with the period between PCIs? Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 9:10

54 Processors?

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Gould
Now I know I am out of date on this but somewhere in the mists of time, I could swear that IBM came out saying that anthing above 18(??? this is a number I am not sure of) was not good, in fact it was bad as the interprocessor costswas more overhead than they were worth. They sited some

Re: Routine name/srb

2005-07-26 Thread mary george
All, I am actaually a newbie to dump reading. We have a s0a8 abend but our system runs fine without any crash. After a basic investigation into the software edit report in LOGREC, I found that a recovery routine(FRR) in is action at the time of abend.I suspect this to be the cause of no