With apologies in advance to Darren and the readers for bothering to
reply.
Ed,
I was not the one challenging others recollections, you were. I was
merely asking you why you challenge other people's memory when you
know your own is subject, to use your words, parity errors. I am
fairly sure
Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
Chris Langford wrote:
1403 printers had chains, 3211 had trains.
Both had a FOLD option to upper case on the fly.
If you care to look at the IBM archive at
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/attic3/attic3_024.html
you will find a chain under the heading
SNTP is a standard part of z/os, at least as far back as 1.4. We
designated an LPAR to be our time base, and everything syncs to it. I
think it is documented in the OMVS system services. It is little more
than starting a task.
Z/os 1.7 offers a time reference traceable to NIST without the
Still got all those hats, Scott?
My personal best memory was of Mario. One morning after the mid-course MICSer
I was summoned
to the presence for the grave misdemeanour of insulting a customer's employer.
I didn't know
which customer it might be, and neither for some reason did Mario.
We
Correction
According to http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/255/ibmrd2505ZJ.pdf
While early 1403 models had 'chains', 1403 Models 3 and N1 has 'trains'
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On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 23:12 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
...
I'm interested in the comment that mixed case should be rigorously
avoided in JCL samples. My colleagues before me (Im following the
convention, so far) quite deliberately used lower case in the
must change strings. I assumed this
I have no argument where lower case is required (e.g. path names, BPXBATCH
shell invocation, whatever ...), however legacy JCL members should be upper
case.
I tend to put the lower case stuff in include members, so I can edit all upper
stuff and not worry about case hopping, remembering,
On 4 Aug 2006 12:19:17 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/02/2006
at 11:11 PM, Rob Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Can you say IEBUPDTE?
Sure, but not with a straight face; it isn't nearly as powerful as
either CMS UPDATE or SCOPE UPDATE.
But go back before
---snip---
If there's anybody out there old enough, they'll remember Assembler-G,
from University of Waterloo, with it's temporary update facility.
You supplied updates in IEBUPDTE format in a separate input file.
The Assembler would
Mark Zelden wrote:
Paul,
I don't want to start a let's pick on Paul thread, but these (almost)
daily bashings of this platform's shortcomings are really getting boring.
Perhaps it's a matter of balance. In many ways, Paul's
comments seem like whining and complaining. On the other
hand, it
Enter IBM or HP there...
On 8/5/06, David Alcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This beta Google service is interesting:
http://www.google.com/trends
Type in something like Mainframe or JCL and see where the
searches come from.
Chris Langford wrote:
See:
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PP1401.html
For a description of the 1403 chain
I saw that, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - the
omission of train doesn't prove your point. If you do a net search on
1403 printer
At 10:32 PM 08/04/2006, you wrote:
This beta Google service is interesting:
http://www.google.com/trends
Type in something like Mainframe or JCL and see where the
searches come from.
It comes as no surprise that if you type in mainframe you see the top
7 cities where searches originate
In a recent note, Bob Shannon said:
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:04:06 -0400
It's haphazard and dreadful.
Is there anything about MVS that you actually like?
Yes. Its system call interfaces don't depend on null-terminated
strings.
-- gil
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In a recent note, Arthur T. said:
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:47:43 -0400
At an old shop without a security package, we used to
name certain datasets with lowercase and/or embedded blanks
in order to make it difficult for the average programmer to
delete them. (Security via
Gibney, Dave wrote:
or just make the CAPS status message visible in all cases, not just
when it changes
If you issue PROFILE LOCK with CAPS ON in effect, the following message
is issued *every time* you edit a member with lowercase data.
|-CAUTION- Profile changed to CAPS OFF (from
In a recent note, Chris Hoelscher said:
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:16:36 +0800
why allergic? because it has not been VAX-inated?
That vendor brought my epiphany 28 years ago. We had been using
a decsystem-10, dialed in via Teletype ASR-33. Then we got a TI
portable printer-keyboard
On 4 Aug 2006 09:16:05 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
ISNT IT TRUE THAT IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS ONLY UPPER CASE ?
For those machines with only 6 bit characters such as the IBM 14xx
series, 705/7080, RCA 301/3301, Yes.
AS LONG AS I AM COMPLAINING ABOUT JCL... WHY DOES JCL ASSUME
At 07:19 -0600 on 08/05/2006, Steve Comstock wrote about Re: Why is
JCL allergic to lower case?:
... Or that the mainframe would handle ASCII ...
Originally the 360 Series COULD handle ASCII - There was a bit in the
PSW that flipped it from an EBCDIC to an ASCII machine. That bit
later got
Agree re the censored sites/engines being further excluded/censored. They
gotta be really or no point in the censorship arrgh...stuck in
loop...interrupt..restart...
These results only go so far e.g. try ISPF
Why the Mexican popularity ?
On 5 Aug 2006 11:37:56 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clark Morris) wrote:
On 4 Aug 2006 09:16:05 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you
wrote:
ISNT IT TRUE THAT IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS ONLY UPPER CASE ?
For those machines with only 6
On 4 Aug 2006 15:24:30 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On 4 Aug 2006 12:40:55 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Thomen) wrote:
There are some issues with lower case - data set names
cannot contain lower
case chOn 4 Aug 2006
The ASCII support was pretty minimal - affected only the sign nibble on
packed data, AFAIR.
OTOH, there is little or nothing EBCDIC about the hardware - only the OS
and most applications. The 360, 370, 390, and z all CAN handle ASCII. MVC
and CLC work equally well on EBCDIC, ASCII, and any other
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:36:46 -0700, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you issue PROFILE LOCK with CAPS ON in effect, the following message
is issued *every time* you edit a member with lowercase data.
|-CAUTION- Profile changed to CAPS OFF (from CAPS ON) because data
| contains
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 20:18 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
there are other default settings that I don't like. Autosave on, for
instance. I prefer to explicitly save rather than the default behavior of
saving whenever I press PF3. I wish there was a way to override my defaults.
Been covered
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:55:23 -0400, Arthur T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Per the Jargon file, upper-only started before 1870. See
http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/G/Great-Runes.html
Well before that. There is no lower case in Morse code.
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:23:14 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 20:18 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
I prefer to explicitly save rather than the default behavior of
saving whenever I press PF3. I wish there was a way to override my
defaults.
Been covered before - I've
Stephen
In relation to the size of the country and population base there are not
many mainframe shops in China. Now that the VSE ones have all but
disappeared there are no more that 20 sites spread across less than 10
companies.
James F. Smith
Skype jamesfs1 -Original Message-
there are other default settings that I don't like. Autosave on, for
instance. I prefer to explicitly save rather than the default behavior of
saving whenever I press PF3. I wish there was a way to override my
defaults.
Tom Marchant
Tom,
Go out to my website
At 21:23 -0300 on 08/05/2006, Clark Morris wrote about Re: WHY IS JCL
ALLERGIC TO LOWER CASE?:
I forget what the JES3 equivalent would be but EXIT 6 in JES2 would be
a simple place to put the code if you wanted to have that feature in
your shop. The specs would be interesting.
1) Clone the
At 17:23 -0700 on 08/05/2006, Charles Mills wrote about Re: Why is
JCL allergic to lower case?:
The ASCII support was pretty minimal - affected only the sign nibble on
packed data, AFAIR.
OOPS. It has been so long, I forget the details beyond the existence
of a EBCDIC/ASCII bit in the 360
At 20:18 -0500 on 08/05/2006, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tom_Marchant?= wrote
about Re: ISPF CAPS Status (Was: WHY IS JCL ALLERGIC ...):
there are other default settings that I don't like. Autosave on, for
instance. I prefer to explicitly save rather than the default behavior of
saving whenever I press
I wish there was a way to override my defaults.
AUTOSAVE can be overridden.
Most, if not all profile variables can be.
You can also make them permanent with a PROFILE LOCK.
Also, any changes you make to the profile ZDEFAULT will take effect for any new
profile types.
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:01:10 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I forget what the JES3 equivalent would be but EXIT 6 in JES2 would be
a simple place to put the code if you wanted to have that feature in
your shop. The specs would be interesting.
1) Clone the card image
2) OC
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