Re: Cost of CPU Time

2009-03-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
And there will be both fixed costs and variable costs to any computing platform. Mainframes are generally characterized as having moderate fixed costs and low variable costs. Other systems often have lower fixed costs (individually -- collectively they can very easily be higher) and unpredictable

Re: 3490E cartridges

2009-03-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 49b6d080.23258.24eb...@localhost, on 03/10/2009 at 08:41 PM, Neil Duffee nduf...@uottawa.ca said: ps. I'd verify that claim of 3490Es was right - most customers could read them by making sure you're writing 18 tracks for 3480s. (I thought the 'E' model was 36 track only. Something to

How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
So far, in all the cases where I had to run GTF to gather debugging information, I could force the problem to occur and therefore GTF was only run for a short period of time and the impact on system throughput was not questioned. This time, we've got a problem with two of our printers that only

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Fairchild
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput? So far, in all the cases where I had to run GTF to gather debugging

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Bill, thanks for the insight. Much appreciated. I only need two USR events (FD0 and FD4) that, as I understand it, PSF writes with the GTRACE macro. So GTF will then only need to listen for GTRACE events and that will reduce the overhead quite a bit, right? I'll follow your advice to only start

TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Yogeetha balasubramanian
Hello there !! We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone tell me the difference from your experience between TMON and OMEGAMON that need to be considered ? We are collecting this information Which do you think is a better option. I felt OMEGAMON/CICS got a user friendly interface.

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Stocker, Herman
I can not tell you the differences, however, I will tell you that we have been moving to Omegamon for 3 years now and our applications department has found Omegamon lacking to the point that they have been able to keep TMON in house. IBM has not been able to correct the missing functions in

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Fairchild
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput? Bill, thanks for the insight. Much appreciated. I only need two

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Scott Barry
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:11:23 +0530, Yogeetha balasubramanian sairamyog...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there !! We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone tell me the difference from your experience between TMON and OMEGAMON that need to be considered ? We are collecting this information Which

Re: DFHSM Issue - Critical

2009-03-11 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
That is incorrect. Recycle does not finish the tape when the Hold command is issued. Recycle finishes the dataset that is in progress and then comes to pre-mature end. A Hold on Expirebv has the same effect. VOLSERUNITVOL REUSE VALID PCTVOLRACF PREVSUCC

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Marchant
Bill Fairchild wrote: The GTF hook causes a program interrupt Really? I'm surprised. It's not the first time. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Fairchild
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput? Bill Fairchild wrote: The GTF hook causes a program interrupt Really? I'm

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Warren Brown
GTF HOOK issues a MONITOR CALL instruction which is handled by the program check FLIH. Warren Brown -- Original message from Bill Fairchild bi...@mainstar.com: -- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent:

GSE UK - Large Systems Meeting Postponed 17th March 2009

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Wilson
All, Apologies to all on the list that this message does not concern. The GSE UK Large Systems Working Group meeting scheduled for Tuesday 17th March has been postponed, due to unforeseen circumstances. I will send out a note with the rescheduled data ASAP. Mark

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:08:57 -0400, Bill Fairchild wrote: The GTF hook for the event class will fire regardless of how finely you are filtering. If you are tracing I/O interrupts for only two printers' device numbers, then the hook will fire for every I/O interrupt. ... Once you have

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:37:58 -0400, Bill Fairchild wrote: Bill Fairchild wrote: The GTF hook causes a program interrupt Really? I'm surprised. It's not the first time. Tom Marchant It's documented in the PoOps book. Check out MC (Monitor Call) Nice explanation. Thanks! -- Tom

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Yogeetha balasubramanian sairamyog...@gmail.com wrote in message news:cd427cf50903110541w4e662c16l2f8f29072949a...@mail.gmail.com... Hello there !! We are moving from TMON to OMEGAMON . Can someone tell me the difference from your experience between TMON and OMEGAMON that need to be

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Jousma, David
We went through this trial about 18 months ago. I can live with either from a functional perspective, BUT the real mess is the Omegamon install, and the number of hours(oops, I mean days or weeks). There are so many sets of libraries out there due to CICAT. You order Omegamon from Serverpac,

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Did you compare the CPU *consumption* of Tmon and Omegamon. We come from Mainview and the rise in CPU consumption is tremendous. Kees. Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com wrote in message news:a90766b5039c59409110c92d47216f5903332...@s1flokydce2k322.dm0001.in fo53.com... We went through this

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Yogeetha balasubramanian
I agree with you all thatOmegamon is not easy to be upgraded. I have personally done the Omegamon/CICS installation. The TKANMOD keeps varying and the settings that we need to do while upgrading really varies. For few things , i have never got the reason why from the performance guys. Also, we

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
But then he might need to trace twice as long before the event of interest occurs, incurring the GTF hook overhead during that longer time. How does the trace duration relate to the number of GTF instances started? -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Fairchild
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput? But then he might need to trace twice as long before the event

Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput?

2009-03-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:42:41 -0400, Bill Fairchild wrote: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: How much does GTF trace impact system throughput? But

SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Howard Rifkind
Hello all, Just got the z/OS 1.10 system up and the command line for SDSF is on the bottom of the panel. I don't remember how to get this to the top of the panel. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential

z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread Jerry Fuchs
I am on z/OS 1.7 installing z/OS 1.9. I created a new ROOT file by copying my existing production ROOT file. New ETC and VAR files were created. The restore of the ROOT file failed because there were existing etc and var directories. I had to delete the etc and var directories to get the

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Cebell, David
Go into SDSF and pull up your OPTIONS at the top of the screen -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:19 -0400, Howard Rifkind rifki...@emigrant.com wrote: Hello all, Just got the z/OS 1.10 system up and the command line for SDSF is on the bottom of the panel. I don't remember how to get this to the top of the panel. Any help is appreciated. Do you remember how to

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Lizette Koehler
Go into the ISPF Opt 0 panel and set command line at the bottom. Then go back into SDSF. Lizette Hello all, Just got the z/OS 1.10 system up and the command line for SDSF is on the bottom of the panel. I don't remember how to get this to the top of the panel. Any help is appreciated.

Re: z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:04:41 -0400, Jerry Fuchs jerry.fu...@wendysarbys.com wrote: I am on z/OS 1.7 installing z/OS 1.9. I created a new ROOT file by copying my existing production ROOT file. snip Eh? You should be restoring a new root file as part of ServerPac, not copying your existing

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Lizette Koehler wrote: Go into the ISPF Opt 0 panel and set command line at the bottom. Then go back into SDSF. That will not work. As usual, Mark Zelden answered correctly. Use the SETTINGS command. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Joseph Reichman
In ISPF for setting the command line thats option 0 from the Main Panel has the settings but thats for ISPF SDSF runs as a ISPF application and as a TSO command processor Joseph Reichman Senior Programmer (914) 785 - 1034 Howard Rifkind rifki...@emigrant.com 3/11/2009 12:59 PM Hello all,

Re: z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread Jerry Fuchs
What about the other 'stuff' that is in the root I.E. JAVA 1.3? If I start with a new root I will loose that. Jerry Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 03/11/2009 01:23 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List

This applies here too! Do's and Don't's

2009-03-11 Thread John McKown
John Pape: Five ways to sabotage your chance of getting help from community forums. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0903_col_pape/0903_col_pape.html?S_TACT=105AGX01S_CMP=HP -- John -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
Have you not consider CA SYSVIEW? Much easier to install. Much easier to maintain. Same functionality or better. Much less resource consumption. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Wednesday, March 11,

Re: z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
JAVA should be in a separate zFS mounted on a directory in the root. Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Fuchs Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:32 PM To:

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Howard Rifkind
Thanks all, Did the settings for the ISPF panels and that worked but it didn't carry over to SDSF. In SDSF did what was suggested (settings) and all is O.k. now. thanks again. Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com 3/11/2009 1:15 PM On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:19 -0400, Howard Rifkind

Re: 3490E cartridges

2009-03-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 10 Mar 2009 17:42:40 -0700, nduf...@uottawa.ca (Neil Duffee) wrote: Pete: despite all the nay-sayers that urge the upgrade path, you might simply advise your customers of the non-availability of media and require them to provide *you* with the cartridges when they want the software

Re: Cost of CPU Time

2009-03-11 Thread Howard Brazee
On 11 Mar 2009 02:46:24 -0700, e99...@jp.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) wrote: For example, let's suppose you double the number of CICS transactions (and associated batch) you are running today on your mainframe. Do your costs double? Well, your chargebacks would if you used a single number like

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Jousma, David
No we didn't. It was one of those lets convert to Omegamon because we can get it under our enterprise agreement situations. In the end, TMON still won out. Mostly because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. _ Dave Jousma Assistant

z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Scott
My team is at a bi-yearly coop test. We have been given a z900 to test on. Our system is a z890 w/o optional PCI crypto. We do have the feature 3863 enabled so we can use the crypto that is built in to the z890. We only need the crypto for SSL TN3270 and FTP/SSL. At coop on thier z900, our

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread John Kelly
snip feature 3863 enabled unsnip As I remember it, feature 3863 is a no charge feature but the CE has to enable it (and probably marketing has to agree). Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Vicente Ranieri Junior
Hello Alan, In order to use crypto hw, it is necessary to have ICSF up and running. In fact, ICSF must be started before TCP/IP during z/OS IPL. TCP/IP checks that ICSF is up just during its start-up. If ICSF is up, it will use the crypto hw, otherwise it will not. Another point to be considered

Endevor and TSO in Batch

2009-03-11 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am trying to assist my Endevor support team with a TSO/REXX issue. They run in batch a program NDVRC1. This executes a REXX to interface with PRO/JCL to validate JCL standards. This works fine until you add TSO ALLOCATE commands for files in the process. We get an RC -3. Which I believe

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Hal Merritt
Some flavors of crypto require injection of a master key before it will come active. Of course, the master key has to match the one that was injected into the other machine. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Scott

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Scott
Thanks Vincente, Can you tell me, since we do not run ICSF in our production LPAR, is the CPACF feature of the z890 allowing us to do crypto at home? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:32:15 -0400, Jerry Fuchs jerry.fu...@wendysarbys.com wrote: What about the other 'stuff' that is in the root I.E. JAVA 1.3? If I start with a new root I will loose that. Did you order Java with your ServerPac? If so, a new one comes with it. But it is a separate file

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Alan Scott wrote: Thanks Vincente, Can you tell me, since we do not run ICSF in our production LPAR, is the CPACF feature of the z890 allowing us to do crypto at home? My understanding (could be wrong) was that if ICSF was available SYSTEM SSL would use it, if not it would use CPACF,

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Donald Zeunert
Overhead concerns: RE: Did you compare the CPU *consumption* of TMON and OMEGAMON? We come from MAINVIEW and the rise in CPU consumption is tremendous. 1) OMEGAMON vs TMON - Numerous customers have migrated from TMON to OMEGAMON, on average they experience a 10% drop in CPU consumption in the

Re: This applies here too! Do's and Don't's

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:47:49 -0500, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: John Pape: Five ways to sabotage your chance of getting help from community forums. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0903_col_pape/0903_col_pape.html?S_TACT=105AGX01S_CMP=HP This one has more than

Re: z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread Jerry Fuchs
Mark, My predecessor and DB2 guy did install directly into the root rather than new files. My problem now is how to carry that forward into z/OS 1.9. Java was not ordered with z/OS 1.9 either. Any ideas or am I just screwed? Jerry Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com Sent by: IBM

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
I hope you have enough horsepower to run either of them. If you have an ELA with CA, you can probably discus the same benefits. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 SYSN 11:29 AM To:

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Scott
In the TCPIP SYSOUT DD the following messages appear on the z900. System SSL: SHA-1 crypto assist is not available System SSL: DES crypto assist is not available System SSL: DES3 crypto assist is not available In the TCPIP SYSOUT DD the following messages appear on the z890. System SSL:

Re: z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread John McKown
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:21:48 -0400, Jerry Fuchs jerry.fu...@wendysarbys.com wrote: Mark, My predecessor and DB2 guy did install directly into the root rather than new files. My problem now is how to carry that forward into z/OS 1.9. Java was not ordered with z/OS 1.9 either. Any ideas or am I

Re: z/OS 1.9 installation ROOT ETC and VAR

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:21:48 -0400, Jerry Fuchs jerry.fu...@wendysarbys.com wrote: Mark, My predecessor and DB2 guy did install directly into the root rather than new files. My problem now is how to carry that forward into z/OS 1.9. Java was not ordered with z/OS 1.9 either. Any ideas or am I

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Alan Scott wrote: In the TCPIP SYSOUT DD the following messages appear on the z900. System SSL: SHA-1 crypto assist is not available System SSL: DES crypto assist is not available System SSL: DES3 crypto assist is not available In the TCPIP SYSOUT DD the following messages appear on

Re: This applies here too! Do's and Don't's

2009-03-11 Thread Eric Bielefeld
And we are enablers of the bad posting behavior described. Someone will always ask questions when there isn't enough to go on. Someone will try to answer questions that are broad and open ended. Maybe thats what makes this such a good list, and maybe not! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Go into the ISPF Opt 0 panel and set command line at the bottom. Then go back into SDSF. Actually, that won't work if you use the default method for installing SDSF. It has a NEWAPPL(ISF) on the select statement. And, ISPF is usually defaulted to ISR. So, only ISPF applications using ISR will

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Another point to be considered is the WLM Goal for ICSF. It must be better or at least equal to the server (TCP/IP our case) that is going to ask their service. SYSSTC, usually. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Eric Bielefeld
In my life over the last 2 years as a contractor, I've noticed that the settings for ISPF and SDSF seem to keep changing. Its like I will go into the settings and put the command line on the top every time I get into ISPF for the first couple of weeks when I start a new job. Then, finally the

Re: one IKJEFT01 job, 2 outputs in sdsf - why?

2009-03-11 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
If you look at the job on the ST panel instead of the H panel, there will only be one row for the job. Another approach that might work is to define an OUTPUT statements with the JESDS and DEFAULT operands and then refer to this statement with the OUTPUT operand on your DD statements.

Re: Endevor and TSO in Batch

2009-03-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:05:56 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote: I am trying to assist my Endevor support team with a TSO/REXX issue. They run in batch a program NDVRC1. This executes a REXX to interface with PRO/JCL to validate JCL standards. This works fine until you add TSO ALLOCATE commands

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Vicente Ranieri Junior
Hello Alan, Up to z900/z800, we only had the ICSF as the driver to access the cryptographic coprocessors. Those products and programs that would like to access the crypto hw should code ICSF callable services. At z990 timeframe the System z cryptographic architecture changed. Instead of CCF,

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Vicente Ranieri Junior
Hi Alan, Just to clarify. System SSL will use CPACF or CEX2C/CEX2A depending on the callable service or Assembler instruction being called. If ICSF or CPACF is not available, System SSL will perform all the cryptographic functions through software imbedded at System SSL. Of course, it will use

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:12:06 -0500, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: In my life over the last 2 years as a contractor, I've noticed that the settings for ISPF and SDSF seem to keep changing. Its like I will go into the settings and put the command line on the top every time I get

Re: SDSF COMMAND LINE ON BOTTOM OF PANEL

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:30:39 -0500, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:12:06 -0500, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: In my life over the last 2 years as a contractor, I've noticed that the settings for ISPF and SDSF seem to keep changing. Its like I

Re: Endevor and TSO in Batch

2009-03-11 Thread Big Iron
Converting the ALLOCATEs to BPXWDYN should work, unless you have other dependencies on a TSO environment. Another way to do this is to convert the batch JCL that you use to run program NDVRC1 to TSO statements and run that under TSO in batch: 1. use EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 SYSTSPRT SYSTSIN DD

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Scott
I would like to thank all of you for the informative replies. The facilitator for our coop test is going to move us to a z990 that has CPACF feature available. However, Vincente's last reply concerns me, since the culmination of this issue was the inability to initaite a TN3270 or FTP ssl

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread George Fogg
I would like to thank all of you for the informative replies. The facilitator for our coop test is going to move us to a z990 that has CPACF feature available. However, Vincente's last reply concerns me, since the culmination of this issue was the inability to initaite a TN3270 or FTP ssl

MY REPLACEMENT

2009-03-11 Thread STEVEN DAHARI
Greetings, Running an ad is a waste of money and a waste of time. The replacers already know what they are doing. Economist, if they are worth a plug nickel, know what is being done. Elected officials know what is being done. The solution lies in applying pressure and forcing change. The

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Rascoe
Overhead concerns. Interesting how OMEGAMON is trying to compare the CPU overhead to MAINVIEW. From my last review of OMEGAMON features and capabilities, OMEGAMON does not exploit zIIPs and MAINVIEW does. In recent customer benchmarks (2009), I have seen where MAINVIEW was offloading more

Re: Endevor and TSO in Batch

2009-03-11 Thread Gibney, Dave
NDVRC1 is Endevor's processor runner. It's input is stuff that looks like JCL. What's the PGM= in the Endevor Processor what's being used to run the REXX? Change it to the correct PGM for TSO/REXX under Endevor. I don't remember what Endevor calls the program provided to do this. I seem to

Re: Endevor and TSO in Batch

2009-03-11 Thread Schumacher, Otto
We have a WEB application that is invoking a CICS application via CICS CTG via an MQ queue that starts the request in CICS. This application then does a request to update to an IMS database via DBCNTL and an local access to DB2 sub-system which is using a DB2 database alias to request a remote

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Edward Jaffe
Mark Rascoe (from BMC) wrote: Interesting how OMEGAMON is trying to compare the CPU overhead to MAINVIEW. From my last review of OMEGAMON features and capabilities... [snip] ... you can see that MAINVIEW uses less CPU, it’s easier to install, configure and you get a powerful web browser ...

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Joseph H Winterton
I do have to respond to part of this one as OMEGAMON XE for z/OS 4.2.0 which went GA on 3/6/2009 does exploit the zIIP processor for collection. Should the listserver be used to bake off these products? Joe Winterton IBM Manager OMEGAMON - RD Phone 919-224-1328 T/L 687-1328 cellphone -

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:41 -0400, Joseph H Winterton wrote: I do have to respond to part of this one as OMEGAMON XE for z/OS 4.2.0 which went GA on 3/6/2009 does exploit the zIIP processor for collection. Should the listserver be used to bake off these products? Game on !

SCRT (Sub-Capacity Reporting Tool)

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Steely
We are z/OS V1R9 and we are going to start using this tool. The tool requires that the input SMF data is to span from the second day of the month to the first day of the next month. Our SMF data is separated by the month. How are other shops performing this retrieval. I would like to automate this

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:41 -0400, Joseph H Winterton jose...@us.ibm.com wrote: Should the listserver be used to bake off these products? I sure hope not. But I think it's perfectly fine to correct misinformation and let people know who to contact or where to go for more information. But

Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Steely
We are z/OS V1R9 on a z/10 2098-N01 processor. We have 2 CPU's both z/10 2098 - not sysplex. We do have a CTC connection between the two machines. What would be the best way to have the time automatically be sync with each other and with GMT. I have heard of sysplex timers , but I don't think that

Re: SCRT (Sub-Capacity Reporting Tool)

2009-03-11 Thread Gibney, Dave
SCRT is smart enough to pick the data for the correct time period if you supply it. We concatenate however many weeklys and dailys it takes to get it right. This is automated via CA-7 '#' JCL manipulation cards. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University

Re: Moving HSM RECYCLE to different LPAR in SYSPLEX

2009-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm considering moving RECYCLE from my primary host to a secondary to offload some cycles from the primary. I'm running z/OS 1.8 on 3/4 LPARS in the prod sysplex and 1.10 on the 4th. We've moved other functions, such as threshold migration to non-Prod (low utilised) images to save Prod MSU's.

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
Just because there is a zIIP, should you zIIPify everything? Not to start a religious war, but what percent of what is going to a zIIP? Please remember, there is overhead to use specialty processors. So you'd better be able to offload 20-30% (IMHO). -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Shane
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 17:03 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: Should the listserver be used to bake off these products? I sure hope not. But I think it's perfectly fine to correct misinformation and let people know who to contact or where to go for more information. And ... vendor allegiances

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
I believe we agree, Ed. :-) znor...@ca.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 SYSN 02:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison Mark Rascoe (from

Re: MY REPLACEMENT

2009-03-11 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:03:48 -0400, STEVEN DAHARI stdah...@hotmail.com wrote: Running an ad is a waste of money and a waste of time. The replacers already know what they are doing. Economist, if they are worth a plug nickel, know what is being done. Elected officials know what is being done. The

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Just because there is a zIIP, should you zIIPify everything? I tend to any, and all! Not to start a religious war, but what percent of what is going to a zIIP? Please remember, there is overhead to use specialty processors. So you'd better be able to offload 20-30% (IMHO). What

Re: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison

2009-03-11 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
What metrics/reports/support documents can you cite? well- let's just say that offloading 80% of 2% on a GP may not get you much. Remember there is also overhead just for having more than on CP? How much more overhead is there to choose a zIIP (or a zAAp, for that matter)?

Re: AW: EMC Centera for HSM?

2009-03-11 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
Thanks for what looks like a real response to my post. Offline I was contacted by opentechsystems who wants to sell a solution we are not looking to buy and offered they have hundreds of customers but came up with none actually doing what I asked. A suggestion EMC should provide a reference -

Re: Offload Processing (WAS: TMON with OMEGAMON Comparison)

2009-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
What metrics/reports/support documents can you cite? well- let's just say that offloading 80% of 2% on a GP may not get you much. Who said anything about 2%? We're talking numbers big enough to save you money. Remember there is also overhead just for having more than on CP? How much more

Re: Endevor and TSO in Batch

2009-03-11 Thread Clark Morris
On 11 Mar 2009 14:27:46 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: We have a WEB application that is invoking a CICS application via CICS CTG via an MQ queue that starts the request in CICS. This application then does a request to update to an IMS database via DBCNTL and an local access to DB2

Re: Can TOD (STCKE) be compressed into 12 bytes

2009-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I think I agree with Ted. Particularly since the POP must support OSes other than z/OS, even standalone code written by a customer. And not every OS is expected to provide a programming interface for every facility of the hardware. Thank you, Gil. But, it really comes down to Can you justify

Fw: Can TOD (STCKE) be compressed into 12 bytes

2009-03-11 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Sorry, I meant to say Paul. But, I continue to remember 'gilmap'. No disrespect intended! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -Original Message- From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:03:14 To: IBM Mainframe Discussion Listibm-main@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Can

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Field, Alan C.
Mark, The follow on from Sysplex timers is Server Time Protocol. It is microcode on the processors and uses the HMC. It isn't free however. Search the Redbook Library (there are 2 volumes, perhaps three) on the topic. Alan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: z890 crypto vs z900 crypto

2009-03-11 Thread Lloyd Fuller
Alan Scott wrote: My team is at a bi-yearly coop test. We have been given a z900 to test on. Our system is a z890 w/o optional PCI crypto. We do have the feature 3863 enabled so we can use the crypto that is built in to the z890. We only need the crypto for SSL TN3270 and FTP/SSL. At coop

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Shane
And I have a feeling that CTCs aren't sufficient - I think you need coupling links. But I've never implemented it, so check the doco as Alan mentioned. Shane ... On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:19 -0500, Field, Alan C. wrote: The follow on from Sysplex timers is Server Time Protocol. It is microcode

Re: Cost of CPU Time

2009-03-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
Howard Brazee writes: But most mainframes are set up to be used. Unlike a PC that is sitting idle most of the time, we expect mainframes to be working. If a computer is being used 90% of its capacity, it can't double its workload. (But a lot of new work can be fit in that 10%) You're making a

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
Mark Steely writes: We are z/OS V1R9 on a z/10 2098-N01 processor. We have 2 CPU's both z/10 2098 - not sysplex. Naive question (and hopefully still related to your core question): why no Parallel Sysplex? - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo,

Re: SCRT (Sub-Capacity Reporting Tool)

2009-03-11 Thread Clark, Kevin
Mark, We will be starting this process next month. Our monthly SMF tape is produced on the 2nd day of the next month already, so all days of the previous month are account for. The cost saving dictate changing your business collection process. keep in mind you could cut a tape with just

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Peter Bishop
Yep, you definitely need Coupling Links. And the STP feature is a priced one, about the same (perhaps slightly less) than the Timer. The redbooks Shane mentioned are the go. There's quite a bit to it. cheers Peter On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:41:43 +1000, Shane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: And I