Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40

2010-02-12 Thread R.S.
Just my €0.02: 1. It is money waste to pay IBM for support of the drives. IBM does NOT want to support those drives, so their prices are really high. There are independent companies which can support those drives. If you want really quick fix time, then ...simply use another drive as a hot

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Andy Wood
. . . 2. In fact blocksize DOESN'T MATTER. What matters is the block cannot be share between members. In PDS you can have many small member occupying single block. In PDSE any member takes *at least* one block. No block in a PDS can contain more than one member. In a PDS any member also takes at

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Barbara, Puh, how do I go about finding this out? If any of this is specified in the IGDSMS member, then we take whatever default IBM set. And these things apparently don't *have* storage class, management class or dataclass. I just tested, and they end up on hte volumes they do because I

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
And, HFS is a form of PDSE. What does it mean exactly? The internal structure is almost exactly the same as a PDSE. The differences are subtle, such as supporting UNIX-style names. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Andy Wood
. . . In a PDS any member also takes at least one block, but there can be short blocks (less than BLKSIZE). Well, to be precise, any non-empty member of a PDS takes at least one block (and an EOF block). An empty member has only the

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Barbara Nitz
That's what I was wondering about. The default for PDSE_HSP_SIZE|HSP_SIZE(nnn) is 0, and according to the Manual 0 disables PDSE Member Caching. I'll try to get this set for tomorrow's IPL on the second of the two systems that are affected. I'll start with 500M. On the other, I will start my

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
And one (emulated) block gap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Wood Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] PDS vs. PDSE . . .

SV: About ENQ - some basic questions

2010-02-12 Thread Thomas Berg
Yes, I know that but tend to forget it...   Regards, Thomas Berg _ Thomas Berg   Specialist   A M   SWEDBANK -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] För DanD Skickat: den 12 februari

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Greg Price
Charles Mills wrote: Is there a way to determine if a DD statement has been allocated DUMMY, short of SVC 99 info retrieval? Sometimes I use the minimum call type of the DEVTYPE macro, and test for zeros being returned, as per the DFSMSdfp Advanced Services manual. To be pedantic, I suppose I

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:20:34 -0600, Barbara Nitz wrote: That's what I was wondering about. The default for PDSE_HSP_SIZE|HSP_SIZE(nnn) is 0, and according to the Manual 0 disables PDSE Member Caching. I'll try to get this set for tomorrow's IPL on the second of the two systems that are affected.

Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion

2010-02-12 Thread Timothy Sipples
Ted MacNeil writes: You're missing one that I've seen missed all the time. Unless it's a work-alike, you have the (one-time) cost of re-training. I disagree (a little). I think retraining is not missed very often at all, but it gets expressed (incorrectly, opaquely) as I don't ever want to change

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread J R
In PDS you can have many small member occupying single block. Not true! Each member has its own TTR. Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:38:46 +0100 From: r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl Subject: Re: PDS vs. PDSE To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Eric Bielefeld pisze: I just tried allocating

Eav emulation is ready fro beta.

2010-02-12 Thread Shai Hess
HI, I support now the 3390 EAV emulation. You can download the code and test the emulation. No quick start video is needed because no special actions required. See for the documentation for instructions. There are 2 download files now, the regular and the beta. The beta code is with

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Barbara Nitz
PDSEs without a storage class are not cached in hiperspace: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/TIPS0567.html?Open (Ensure that SMS-managed PDSEs are associated with storage classes that have appropriate MSR settings. (Note that PDSE data sets shipped as part of the operating system are

Re: Eav emulation is ready fro beta.

2010-02-12 Thread Dick de Groot
Shai, You mean the beta code of what ? 2010/2/12 Shai Hess shai.h...@gmail.com HI, I support now the 3390 EAV emulation. You can download the code and test the emulation. No quick start video is needed because no special actions required. See for the documentation for instructions.

Re: Eav emulation is ready fro beta.

2010-02-12 Thread shai hess
Yes. Only one beta code. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Dick de Groot derkfr...@gmail.com wrote: Shai, You mean the beta code of what ? 2010/2/12 Shai Hess shai.h...@gmail.com HI, I support now the 3390 EAV emulation. You can download the code and test the emulation. No

Re: FTP problems

2010-02-12 Thread Timothy Sipples
If the file transfer is for purposes of application integration (or similar), then I would (often) suggest an application interface of some sort as an alternative. Since the platform currently receiving the files is Microsoft Windows, then presumably Windows-friendly interfaces such as Web

Re: FTP problems

2010-02-12 Thread Dick de Groot
Might it be a workload problem , what are your service levels for those batch jobs, is there a cpu or other resource contraint , is there workload capping ? Is your WLM setup correct ? There must be more information to gather. Have a look in the windows event log etc. 2010/2/12 גדי בן אבי

Re: Eav emulation is ready fro beta.

2010-02-12 Thread Dick de Groot
For what product ? 2010/2/12 shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com Yes. Only one beta code. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Dick de Groot derkfr...@gmail.com wrote: Shai, You mean the beta code of what ? 2010/2/12 Shai Hess shai.h...@gmail.com HI, I support now the 3390 EAV

Re: Eav emulation is ready fro beta.

2010-02-12 Thread shai hess
MFNetDisk. www.mfnetdisk.com Shai On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Dick de Groot derkfr...@gmail.com wrote: For what product ? 2010/2/12 shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com Yes. Only one beta code. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Dick de Groot derkfr...@gmail.com wrote: Shai,

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Barbara, Your email address bounced. I'd be happy to look at this offline with you. It would be interesting to check the before and after stats. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Nitz Sent: Friday, February

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Barbara, Yes it is a confusing subject. The MSR value was there at day one with PDSE. It had to set to 3ms whereas must cache was 6ms for 3390-3 or smaller as I recall. There was a bug that disabled this, but then it was returned. We'll wait and see if some of those presentations match what is

Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion

2010-02-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion * Any sensible business case analysis

Re: REXX file information question

2010-02-12 Thread McKown, John
Most weird! I just did the REXX below from the ISPF TSO prompt (option 6) and got zeroes. /* REXX */ xx=listdsi(sysexec file) say xx=xx sysreason=sysreason -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010

Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion

2010-02-12 Thread Ted MacNEIL
And he would probably say, as I would, that training ought not be a one-time cost. Training existing staff is a one-time cost. There is often continuing education, staff turnover, etc. I would have that requirement, regardless of which product I would be using. And, I might get lucky and hire

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Clark Morris
On 11 Feb 2010 20:44:37 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: No one seems to have pointed out that even for large members requiring more than 4 KiB there is more wasted space for PDSE than for a PDS: Since all space allocation is in 4KiB blocks, one should expect on average 50% of the last

Re: IBM Ported Tools

2010-02-12 Thread Bri P
Ok thanks, Dave and John I have matching directory structures to you guys, and the perl and php ones have content, but I can see no sign of any ssh stuff anywhere that it's supposed to be. Think I'll junk it all and start again.. Thanks again. Brian

Re: IBM Ported Tools

2010-02-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bri P Ok thanks, Dave and John I have matching directory structures to you guys, and the perl and php ones have content, but I can see no sign of any ssh stuff anywhere that it's supposed to be. Think I'll

Re: REXX file information question

2010-02-12 Thread Baraniecki, Ray
From the Rexx Reference on LISTDSI. filename the name of an allocated file (ddname) about which you want to retrieve information. file you must specify the word FILE if you specify filename instead of data-set-name. If you do not specify FILE, LISTDSI assumes

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
PMFJI here, but the facts that Media Manager underlies these new (FSVO new) file technologies and that Media Manager is page-oriented in its use of disk storage *could* be taken as a sign (however faint and clouded) that IBM is (ver-r-ry slowly) moving towards direct support of FBA in z/OS,

Re: REXX file information question

2010-02-12 Thread Field, Alan C.
John et al. //HFS DD PATH='/aaa.bbb.ccc',... Xx=listdsi(hfs file) What I want back is /aaa.bbb.ccc I wrote a little REXXX listfinm function that does that. Alan -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent:

Re: Compuware FileAid to IBM FileManager Conversion

2010-02-12 Thread Don Leahy
generalization It's a sad reality that many application programmers have little interest in technology. For them, programming is merely a unpleasant job that they have to endure until they are promoted higher up the ladder to become analysts or managers. My advice to any sysprog who wants to

Re: ARCMDEXT size calculations.

2010-02-12 Thread MONTERO ROMERO, ENRIQUE ELOI
Thanks a lot for the explanation about the calculation, it worked. See you. Enrique -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO

SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Larry Crilley
I want to dynamically allocate my own sort work files. If I know how large my input file is (I can read the catalog), then what would everyone recommend for the allocation of the sort work files? How many datasets are optimal? If my input file is 100 cylinders, for example, would you allocate 3

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Staller, Allan
Last I heard, (and I may have heard wrong), optimum sort performance for modern sorts (DFSORT, SYNCSORT,...) was obtained with (if possible) 3 SORTWKxx files. I would imagine (without backup information) that each SORTWKxx file should be large enough (again if possible) to hold the entire input

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Blaicher, Chris
There are overheads associated with sorting that get written to SORTWK. They vary by sort (DFSORT/SYNCSORT/CASORT) and by type (Variable/fixed length records) and by size and by key size and type, so it is difficult to say input filesize + 10% or 20% or more. The sort products, at least

Re: How stable is the Name/Token area mappings?

2010-02-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201002110930340513.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 02/11/2010 at 09:30 AM, Victor Gil victor@broadridge.com said: IEANTRT is documented to NOT change registers R2-R13, so their slots in the passed savearea can be used to format the required parameter list. Not unless it's also

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 013801caab27$c57da320$5078e9...@org, on 02/11/2010 at 06:37 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: Is there a way to determine if a DD statement has been allocated DUMMY, short of SVC 99 info retrieval? Before OPEN, use DEVTYPE or look in the TIOT. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,

Re: Preview: z/OS V1.12 - September 2010

2010-02-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1265899827.22396.879.ca...@chuck.duda.com, on 02/11/2010 at 09:50 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com said: There is a lucid discussion of the issue on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem You mean where it says The ISO C standard states that time_t must be an

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Staller, Allan
snip Now, if you insist upon allocating them yourself, a first cut is at least 3 SORTWKS and the total size should be input filesize + 30%. I would also put a 10% secondary allocation size, for example SPACE=(CYL,(100,10)). /snip IASTR the SORTWKxx cannot span volumes (at least in the case of

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Blaicher, Chris
Right you are. I was not attempting to be complete in my description, but that is one thing that is consistent across the sort products, no multi-volume SORTWK files, so UNIT=(SYSDA,2) is OUT. As I said, let the sort products do the allocation for you. 99.999% of the time they get it

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread David Betten
For DFSORT, we generally recommend 4 work data sets. I have done testing with varied numbers of work data sets and not seen much variance in performance until you start allocating very large numbers of work data sets for small sorts.Also, I would recommend that you allocate total space of

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Larry Crilley wrote: I want to dynamically allocate my own sort work files. If I know how large my input file is (I can read the catalog), then what would everyone recommend for the allocation of the sort work files? How many datasets are optimal? If my input file is 100 cylinders, for

Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40

2010-02-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40 Just my €0.02: 1. It is money waste to pay IBM for support of the

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Charles Mills
look in the TIOT Where? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation In

Re: Doofus recovery routine

2010-02-12 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:18:15 +1000, Shane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 06:39 -0600, John P Kalinich wrote: When we pick teams, I want to be on Barbara's side. Me too - especially if it should come to pass that she actually gets mad at something. Shane... Barbara's team is

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Tony Lubrano
Charles, You can do a DEVTYPE macro to determine if the file is DUMMY or NULLFILE... the returned area is low-values: DEVTYPE =CL8'MYDDNAME',OUTAREA IF (LTR,R15,R15,NZ) *** DD Not allocated *** ENDIF , IF (OC,OUTAREA,OUTAREA,Z) *** DD DUMMY SPECIFIED *** ENDIF , OUTAREA DS D Tony Lubrano

PKWARE

2010-02-12 Thread Ron Wells
Anyone running PKWARE and experiencing problems allocating to non-SMS controlled volumes?? Specific to PDS or PDSE large files ?? -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender,

Fw: PKWARE

2010-02-12 Thread Ron Wells
Rel 11.1a on z/OS 1.9 - Forwarded by Ron Wells/AGFS/AGFin on 02/12/2010 08:59 AM - From: Ron Wells/AGFS/AGFin To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 02/12/2010 08:58 AM Subject: PKWARE Anyone running PKWARE and experiencing problems allocating to non-SMS

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Hal Merritt
Why? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Crilley Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SORTWK files I want to dynamically allocate my own sort work files ..snip Larry Crilley

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Rob Scott
Tony Minor niggle - but shouldn't that be? : DEVTYPE =CL8'MYDDNAME',OUTAREA IF (LTR,R15,R15,NZ) *** DD Not allocated *** ELSEIF (OC,OUTAREA,OUTAREA,Z) *** DD DUMMY SPECIFIED *** ENDIF , Rob Scott Developer Rocket Software 275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA Tel:

Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40

2010-02-12 Thread R.S.
Thompson, Steve pisze: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40 Just my €0.02: 1. It is money waste to

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Larry Crilley
DFSORT tells me: Generally, DFSORT can automatically determine the input file size. However, in a few cases, such as when an E15 supplies all of the input records, when information about a tape data set is not available from a tape management system, or when Blockset is not selected, DFSORT cannot

Re: FTP problems

2010-02-12 Thread Hal Merritt
As far as I can see so far, the target of such a transfer is almost always some tool or process that does not support any of the DBMS solutions. But even if they did, the costs of crafting and deploying a DBMS infrastructure is often complex and prohibitively expensive. I agree with you that

Re: Preview: z/OS V1.12 - September 2010

2010-02-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%20100234270926.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 02/11/2010 at 11:34 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: It would be wise to make both these changes at the same time as extension to 64-bit. For existing code, the only viable option is to make time_t 64 bits. For new clock

Re: Preview: z/OS V1.12 - September 2010

2010-02-12 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In blu149-w226cd66cc2ea7529d3fda6a1...@phx.gbl, on 02/11/2010 at 01:10 PM, Dave Salt ds...@hotmail.com said: The ISPF main menu (or more properly the 'ISPF Primary Option Menu') is usually i...@prim. The ISR indicates that it is PDF. That's another reason why I consider the distinction

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Hal Merritt
Aha. If you know how many records are going to be sorted, then pass this information to the sort program via the sort parms. An accurate record count should do a lot more for overall performance than just sort work areas. Perhaps a preliminary run that creates sort parm members to be

Re: REXX file information question

2010-02-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Field, Alan C. Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 8:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: REXX file information question John et al. //HFS DD PATH='/aaa.bbb.ccc',...

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Tony Lubrano
Agreed Rob. However, to further respond to Charles' question, for a low overhead or non-SVC solution, 1.) Scan the TIOT... finding your DDName... 2.) Use the SVA (SWAREQ) to find the JFCB 3.) The JFCB data set name contains NULLFILE for both NULLFILE and DUMMY files. Tony Lubrano Product

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Larry Crilley I want to dynamically allocate my own sort work files. If I know how large my input file is (I can read the catalog), then what would everyone recommend for the allocation of the sort work files? How

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:52:02 -0800, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Barbara, Puh, how do I go about finding this out? If any of this is specified in the IGDSMS member, then we take whatever default IBM set. And these things apparently don't *have* storage class, management

Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40 -- Small twist

2010-02-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40 Thompson, Steve pisze: SNIPPAGE Or one is an ISV and has

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Blaicher, Chris
Over guessing is far better than under guessing. If you have a file that varies between 1 million and 2.5 million records a night and at month end goes to 4 million, then pass a SIZE=300E. Generally speaking, you can be short by 50% and not kill your process (at least with SyncSort), so

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread David Betten
DFSORT tells me: Generally, DFSORT can automatically determine the input file size. However, in a few cases, such as when an E15 supplies all of the input records, Actually it's when E15 supplies all of the input records AND no file size information is provided to DFSORT. If you pass a file

Re: REXX file information question

2010-02-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:42:38 -0600, McKown, John wrote: OH. LISTDSI is likely only legacy dataset aware. I would use BPXWDYN if a UNIX file is a possibility. Has BPXWDYN the capability to extract characteristics of an existing DDNAME? I'm familiar only with its ability to return DSNAME,

Re: GDPS Distance Impact on Sysplex Response Time

2010-02-12 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:03:33 -0600, Martin Kline martin.kl...@yrcw.com wrote: We have a sysplex with four processors, two of which run production work with development work on the others. In their quest for trivia, my management wants to know the impact to production if we move the development

Re: GDPS Distance Impact on Sysplex Response Time

2010-02-12 Thread Steve Comstock
Arthur Gutowski wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:03:33 -0600, Martin Kline martin.kl...@yrcw.com wrote: We have a sysplex with four processors, two of which run production work with development work on the others. In their quest for trivia, my management wants to know the impact to production if

Re: GDPS Distance Impact on Sysplex Response Time

2010-02-12 Thread Hayim Sokolsky
You do know that 6 x 9 = 42, works correctly in base 13 math. Hayim _ Hayim Sokolsky, CISSP Mainframe Security Architect DTCC Corporate Information Security 18301 Bermuda Green Dr, MS 1-CIS Tampa FL 33647-1760 Tel. (813) 470-2177

Re: GDPS Distance Impact on Sysplex Response Time

2010-02-12 Thread Scott Rowe
Yes, that is a well known fact among Hitch-Hiker enthusiasts ;-) Hayim Sokolsky hsokol...@dtcc.com 2/12/2010 11:49 AM You do know that 6 x 9 = 42, works correctly in base 13 math. Hayim _ Hayim Sokolsky, CISSP CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. peter.far...@broadridge.com (Farley, Peter x23353) writes: PMFJI here, but the facts that Media Manager underlies these new (FSVO new) file technologies and that

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Frank Yaeger
Elardus Engelbrecht wrote on 02/12/2010 06:40:29 AM: Frank Yaeger will hopefully chimes in for DFSORT... FYI, I'm happy to chime in on DFSORT/ICETOOL how-to, function and migration questions. But David Betten, our Performance Team leader, is our expert on performance, tuning, capacity, etc so I

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Guy Gardoit
Does wasted space in PDSE's really matter all that much? I'll bet no one has al their PDS data set compressed 100% of the time - that's called wasted space not to mention the constant battle with directory blocks. PDSE's are not perfect but this stuff about wasted-space is just hot air

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread J R
1.) Scan the TIOT... finding your DDName... If you're looking in the TIOT, what does TIOESTTB/TIOEFSRT show for a DUMMY allocation? Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:46:36 -0500 From: tony.lubr...@neon.com Subject: Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Agreed

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Charles Mills
True confession time: I've never used DEVTYPE. Questions: 1. Is it low overhead? How would you guess it compares to searching the TIOT and issuing a SWAREQ? I'm not concerned about one or two instructions here, but I'm trying to avoid OPEN or SVC 99, for example. 2. Are there any advantages over

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Charles Mills
TIOEFSRT certainly looks promising: TIOEFSRT - DURING PROBLEM PROGRAM, ADDRESS OF UCB. DURING ALLOCATION, BITS 0-11 CONTAIN OFFSET, IN THE UCB LOOK-UP TABLE, TO AN ADDRESS FOR A DEVICE REQUIRED OR ELIGIBLE FOR THIS DATA SET. THE UCB LOOK-UP TABLE HAS ADDRESSES OF UCB'S. BITS 12-23 CONTAIN OFFSET,

Re: PDS vs. PDSE

2010-02-12 Thread Frank Swarbrick
On 2/11/2010 at 5:54 AM, in message listserv%201002110654218573.0...@bama.ua.edu, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: No-one said anything about corrupt PDSE during IPL... (or I have missed it.) In z/OS v1.12 Preview this snippet: PDSE processing is planned to be

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 2/12/2010 2:04 PM, Charles Mills wrote: I'm not so desperate for ultra performance that I would use any field that was likely to not provide a reliable answer under certain circumstances. It's product code that will be shipped to multiple customers, many of which will have MVS environments

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread J R
3. Where is it documented? I don't see it in MVS Assembler Services, Authorized Assembler Services, or DFSMS Macros. It's in SC26-7400-09 z/OS V1R11.0 DFSMSdfp Advanced Services I've used it a lot in the distant past but not for a long time now. It issues SVC24. I don't think there

CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT

2010-02-12 Thread jerome benting
Hi All, Does anybody know of a good replacement product for CA-Spool? JQP from mackinney seems pretty good. Any others? Regards. Jerome -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Jousma, David
This is how we do it DDCHKCLC TIOEFSRT,=AL3(0) Q. REAL UCB ADDRESS ? BEDDBAD A. NO, BAD DD We test for the presence of DD DUMMY concatenated in the middle of a SORTIN concatenation in ICEIEXIT. If it is there, DFSORT drops all records after DD DUMMY,

Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40

2010-02-12 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Maybe it doesn't happen in your industry but some of us sell products whose life span is measured in decades. Abandoning one in the middle will not get you much repeat business. It is also pretty much guaranteed to scare away any new customers. (How many Apple II customers ever bought a

Re: CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT

2010-02-12 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
What's the matter with CA-Spool?? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of jerome benting Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 SYSN 11:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT Hi All, Does anybody know of a good

Re: CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT

2010-02-12 Thread jerome benting
costs -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Norman Hollander on DesertWiz Sent: 12 February 2010 10:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT What's the matter with CA-Spool?? -Original Message-

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
David, Many moons ago (maybe DFSORT 1.7) the recommended total SORTWK space was 1.7 times the input file size. I've noted how using Hiperspace and Dataspace reduces the sortwk space used, and I'm wondering if your 10% recommendation is based on Sort being able to use an optimal amount of memory.

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Tony Lubrano
David's suggestion is a good one (unless someone knows a time when it could be zeros and not indicate a DD DUMMY file). TIOEFSRT is a GUPI field - although that doesn't always mean you can be assured of its usability in the future. Tony Lubrano Product Author NEON Enterprise Software, LLC. p:

Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40

2010-02-12 Thread Carl Swanson
Having worked for a hardware vendor big in tape and tape libraries, I can understand IBM wanting to stop servicing these drives. What may actually be occurring is they are losing the ability to service (repair) these devices. I would not be surprised to find that the parts required are no

Re: GDPS Distance Impact on Sysplex Response Time

2010-02-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur Gutowski [ snip ] 42 seems like the right answer to me. Particularly if the question is, What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9? If you say so. I never did fully understand that new math anyway.

Re: CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT

2010-02-12 Thread Mark Zelden
Costs was the reason we migrated to it. But our VTAM group that replaced another product could probably go on for days about whats wrong with it compared to the product we previously used.But they will also say that the support was excellent in responding to issues and writing code to support

Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40

2010-02-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Swanson Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: End of service for 3490-A20 and 3490-B40 Having worked for a hardware vendor big in tape

SMP/E DDDEF SYSOUT OUTLIM?

2010-02-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
I see: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/GIMCOM41/24.3.4.3 Title: SMP/E V3R5.0 for z/OS V1R11.0 Commands Document Number: SA22-7771-13 24.3.4.3 SMP/E V3R5.0 for z/OS V1R11.0 Commands __ 24.3.4.3 SYSOUT

Re: SMP/E DDDEF SYSOUT OUTLIM?

2010-02-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:20:31 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: I see: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/GIMCOM41/24.3.4.3 Title: SMP/E V3R5.0 for z/OS V1R11.0 Commands Document Number: SA22-7771-13 24.3.4.3 SMP/E V3R5.0 for z/OS V1R11.0

Re: SMP/E DDDEF SYSOUT OUTLIM?

2010-02-12 Thread Brian Peterson
1) You should look in SMP/E Reference for the definition of the DDDEF keywords. For example: o SYSOUT is mutually exclusive with BLOCK, CYLINDER, TRACK, CONCAT, PATH, and DATASET. 2) I don't see how OUTLIM would be remotely useful in SMP/E,

Re: Old assembler modules.

2010-02-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip--- Here is a funny one for you. We were doing house cleaning and found the 3705 assembler modules in linklib. We were just going to delete them but we thought we should go through change control to CYA. AFter the

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip True confession time: I've never used DEVTYPE. Questions: 1. Is it low overhead? How would you guess it compares to searching the TIOT and issuing a SWAREQ? I'm not concerned about one or two instructions here,

Re: CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT

2010-02-12 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
I'd encourage any account to go back to their sales team and get them to work with you on the costs. Installation and Migration can be very costly in dollars and people-time. And unless there is some missing functionality, I'd think you would want to avoid that. znor...@ca.com -Original

Re: SMP/E DDDEF SYSOUT OUTLIM?

2010-02-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:31:45 -0600, Brian Peterson wrote: 1) You should look in SMP/E Reference for the definition of the DDDEF keywords. For example: o SYSOUT is mutually exclusive with BLOCK, CYLINDER, TRACK, CONCAT, PATH, and DATASET. Ugh! So the Commands manual doesn't tell me the

Re: Determining if DUMMY allocation

2010-02-12 Thread Charles Mills
But your first post said you didn't want use the TIOT? Sorry. My first post was badly phrased. I didn't mean that. I said My preference would be for something low overhead (I have a bunch of DD's to look up) and that did not require below the line storage (such as searching the TIOT and using

Re: SMP/E DDDEF SYSOUT OUTLIM?

2010-02-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:22:28 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:31:45 -0600, Brian Peterson wrote: 1) You should look in SMP/E Reference for the definition of the DDDEF keywords. For example: o SYSOUT is mutually exclusive with BLOCK, CYLINDER, TRACK,

Re: CA SPOOL REPLACEMENT

2010-02-12 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:25:07 -0800, Norman Hollander on DesertWiz norman.hollan...@desertwiz.biz wrote: Installation and Migration can be very costly in dollars and people-time. Unfortunately, that part is ignored more often than not. Bean counters look at the bottom line and figure they are

Re: SORTWK files

2010-02-12 Thread Blaicher, Chris
I just noticed the following in one of your postings. If I want to subtask multiple sorts (same input file), If you are going to run multiple sorts concurrently in the same address space, things can get interesting. NOTE: You may want to confirm what I say with your sort vendor. Sorts like

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