Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Matan Cohen
AMATERSE takes to much time for us ... so we use XMIT . the secret is to perform DFDSS relese to the DFDSS dump datasets before running XMIT on them , this ensure the successful return of the datasets to MAINFRAME . the data isn't legible for Windown although there is some XMIT manager for window b

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread shai hess
>>one idea we consider is to use Shai Hess product MFnetDisk (it is now free) >>to make a WINDOWS disk to be shown to the mainframe then to backup those >>disk . MFnetdisk can also emulate tapes. MFNetDisk supports Windows and Linux and Unix and more... attached disks. You can dump and disks or fil

Re: GIM45201S ** 530 Download not currently allowed for your location.

2010-06-21 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:41:50 -0700, Gibney, Dave wrote: >I ge the same error And this morning I get this one: GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVREQ - javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Unrecognized SSL message, plaintext connect ---

Re: taking down the machine - z9 series

2010-06-21 Thread Kevin Kinney
I'm afraid I was responsible for a shield, but on a bank of 3490 drives. For some reason, the (unshielded) power switch was placed at EXACTLY the same level as a button on the back pocket of suit pants. Anyone leaning against the drives... The first time an entire string of tape drives powered d

Re: taking down the machine - z9 series

2010-06-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I was working, in Montreal, in the early 1980's. We had a true rookie, out on the floor sitting at an AMDAHL console on the Control Element of one of our 470's. The Payroll clerk had just come in with the bi-weekly card decks for our run. She handed them to the reader operator, and he fed them i

Re: taking down the machine - z9 series

2010-06-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Our tape carriers used to do the same thing. The off button was just at the right height to be hit by an inadvertent push of the tape carriers. Jon L. Veilleux veilleu...@aetna.com (860) 636-9179 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] O

Re: Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY

2010-06-21 Thread Ron Hawkins
Radoslaw. FlashCopy is supported by at least two hardware vendors for several generations of storage platform. > > 1. Flashcopy is (was) related to specific hardware. It's not good idea > to tie application with DASD vendor and have no warranty about the > future of the implementations (see Snap

Re: taking down the machine - z9 series

2010-06-21 Thread Shane Ginnane
No just the old 470s ... You cut the fans, you cut the air - then the heat moves from the heat sinks back into the chip(s). Bad, all bad. Have you seen how big the heat sinks are these days - even on PCs ?. Densely packed chips generate a *lot* of heat. Shane ... > Bamf! It took four Amdahl rep

Re: GIM45201S ** 530 Download not currently allowed for your location.

2010-06-21 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:23:21 -0500, Patrick Lyon wrote: >On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:41:50 -0700, Gibney, Dave >wrote: > >>I ge the same error > >And this morning I get this one: > >GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVREQ - >javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Unrecognized SSL message, plai

Re: Emulator Sessions Hung

2010-06-21 Thread Gary Loebach
I think there are a lot of components involved here all trying to start up at IPL. There is VTAM, TCPIP(Telnet), CICS, and the emulator on the PC. I would think it is just a timing problem in that all the components needing to be active to autolog are just not ready yet. I suspect Telnet is op

Re: taking down the machine - z9 series

2010-06-21 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. eamacn...@yahoo.ca (Ted MacNEIL) writes: > She suddenly screamed that we had to stop the system, it was an > emergency. The rookie obliged and hit the big red butt

Re: Enclaves hung up

2010-06-21 Thread Erik Janssen
Hello Mike, Not sure if it would be a solution in your case, but perhaps you can limit the query with the DB2 resource limiter. It can do predictive or reactive governing, so if a user creates a 'heavy' query it will get killed before it starts running (predictive) or after it uses more than a

DFHSM QUESTION - ARC0503I

2010-06-21 Thread willie bunter
here is the continuation of my earlier post.  I had a glitch on my pc.       Tracks %Used   XT HSM.HSMLOGXC  1560  39   16 HSM.HSMLOGYC    ---

DFHSM QUESTION - ARC0503I

2010-06-21 Thread willie bunter
here is the continuation of my earlier post.  I had a glitch on my pc.       Tracks %Used   XT HSM.HSMLOGXC  1560  39   16 HSM.HSMLOGYC  1560  80  16   Could this

DFHSM QUESTION - ARC0503I

2010-06-21 Thread willie bunter
Hallo To All Members   I noticed in the STC DFHSM the following Messages: ARC0008I DFSMSHSM INITIALIZATION SUCCESSFUL ARC0036I I/O DISABLED FOR DFSMSHSM PROBLEM  698 ARC0036I (CONT.) DETERMINATION OUTPUT DATA SET, REAS= 11 As I go through the messages in the JES2 JOBLOG I noti

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Eric Bielefeld
John, Let me know how your proposal goes when you suggest that solution to your management. -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer IBM MVS Technical Services Dubuque, Iowa 563-845-4363 "McKown wrote: > > Long term data should be enscribed on granite and stored in the Egyptian > desert. Thi

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Mark Yuhas
Replacing tape with disk? Sounds like a great idea - if you have a large enough DASD farm. DR would be simpler, too - if you have a large communication pipe to your DR site. However, once the powers-that-be see the cost, tape doesn't seem so bad. -

Re: Emulator Sessions Hung

2010-06-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:18:04 -0500, Richard Peurifoy wrote: >Have you checked the definitions in VTAMLST to make sure they >don't specify LOGAPPL=xxx > >This will also show up on a D NET,ID=terminalluname,E as > >CONTROLLING LU = applid I checked all the VTAM definitions and they're all identica

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Comstock
Rick Fochtman wrote: Have you considered burning CD-ROMs or DVDs for storage, rather than tape? Drives can be less expensive, the media is dirt cheap compared to tape and for historical purposes the result will probably last far longer. Rick I don't know about that last. I seem to recall rea

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:36 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Disk replacing Tape? > > Rick, > > I would hedge my bets on the CD-ROM or DVD long-term

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Rick, I would hedge my bets on the CD-ROM or DVD long-term archival method. I've seen estimates that range from 100's of year life expectancy on this media type all the way down to 2-3 years is all the longer you can expect to reliably read data off them. One place even said you should put the bu

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Rick Fochtman
Have you considered burning CD-ROMs or DVDs for storage, rather than tape? Drives can be less expensive, the media is dirt cheap compared to tape and for historical purposes the result will probably last far longer. Rick --

Re: CA's MSM

2010-06-21 Thread Mark Yuhas
Since CA is now going to distribute updates and releases via MSM, does this mean that all of CA's products will follow the same methodology for installation? For example, Telon would send out various releases and service packs. None cumulative. Upgrading required applying each release and servic

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Silvio Camplani
We will soon be starting a migration to eliminate physical tape. We have chosen Luminex to emulate the tape drives and DataDomain to store and deduplicate the data (claimed data reduction of 10x to 30x). We are a small shop and the STK silo (Powderhorn) is at end of life. We have about 30tb of data

Re: Emulator Sessions Hung

2010-06-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:32:48 -0500, Gary Loebach wrote: >I think there are a lot of components involved here all trying to start up at IPL. >There is VTAM, TCPIP(Telnet), CICS, and the emulator on the PC. I would >think it is just a timing problem in that all the components needing to be activ

STOP EXPIREBV DISPLAY COMMAND

2010-06-21 Thread John Dawes
G'day All,   I issued HSENDCMD EXPIREBV DISPLAY OUTDATASET(‘EXPIR.FILES.ALL')   I would like to terminate the command.  Could someone tell me what the command should be?  I checked the DFHSM PRIMER doc but I couldn't find it.   Thanks.  -

Re: STOP EXPIREBV DISPLAY COMMAND

2010-06-21 Thread John Kelly
HOLD EXPIREBV should do it. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) From: John Dawes To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 06/21/2010 01:52 PM Subject: STOP EXPIREBV DISPLAY COMMAND Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List G'day All, I issued HSENDCMD EXPIREBV DISPLAY OUTDATASET(?EXPIR.FILES.ALL') I w

Re: Enclaves hung up

2010-06-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>imit the query with the DB2 resource limiter. That, as a capacity analyst, is a huge waste of resources. If the user needs the query toi run, and you terminate it before it's done, then the user will have no choice to run it again. If you terminate and the user needs it, and so on... If this is

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:44:10 -0700, Mark Yuhas wrote: >Replacing tape with disk? >Sounds like a great idea - if you have a large enough DASD farm. >DR would be simpler, too - if you have a large communication pipe to >your DR site. > >However, once the powers-that-be see the cost, tape doesn't s

Re: STOP EXPIREBV DISPLAY COMMAND

2010-06-21 Thread John Dawes
Thanks John.  I will give it a try. --- On Tue, 22/6/10, John Kelly wrote: From: John Kelly Subject: Re: STOP EXPIREBV DISPLAY COMMAND To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Received: Tuesday, 22 June, 2010, 3:55 AM HOLD EXPIREBV  should do it. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) From: John Dawes To: IBM

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread R.S.
The issue was disputed several times on this forum and almost everyday somewhere in the world. The conclusion remains unchanged: 1. Tape is still the best medium for backups, especially for big amounts of data and good performance. Of course "big" and "good" is varying and grows up every year. I

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2010-06-21 18:40, McKown, John pisze: Long term data should be enscribed on granite and stored in the Egyptian desert. This is proven technology! Long term data should be recorded on MO device. MO = Magneto-Optical. This is the best medium in term of reliability. There are no better on

FDRUPSTR and Timeouts

2010-06-21 Thread Donnelly, John P
We have intermittent timeouts backing up our client server applications from the mainframe with FDRUPSTR. We have not been able to find out why through the software vendor or our storage vendor. We had been processing fine with two ESCON channels assigned to the FDR process but this timeout prob

CA-Spool and RSA's M.I.S. Print

2010-06-21 Thread Howard Whitehead
Hello everyone. We are trying to get our z/OS output that has embedded DJDE info to our RSA Server running M.I.S. Print. The output is shipped via TCP/IP and we are trying to use CA-Spool for that part. The Reports are then to be converted to PCL by M.I.S. Print and passed on to our printer.

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:04:23 +0200, R.S. wrote: >Long term data should be recorded on MO device. MO = Magneto-Optical. >This is the best medium in term of reliability. There are no better ones >(excluding granite blocks kept on Egyptian desert). >The drawback is limited capacity and performance

ZFS Files

2010-06-21 Thread Mark Steely
I am currently z/os v1r11 and having some trouble with ZFS files. During the IPL several of the ZFS files receive message: IOEZ00078E zFS aggregate OMVS.SBBN7HFS exceeds 95% full I have been able to expand several of the files using the zfsadm grow command. When I tried expanding this file

Re: taking down the machine - z9 series

2010-06-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:10:26 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote: >Our tape carriers used to do the same thing. The off button was just at the right height to be hit by an inadvertent push of the tape carriers. It's not just old equipment. On the z9/z10, the shield for the power switch is on the do

Re: ZFS Files

2010-06-21 Thread Michael Saraco
I have my ZFS file I use to down load and install SERVPAC's on a mod54. I SMS managed the data set. Your DATA CLASS should have this Data Set Name Type . . . . . EXT to get past the 4 gig limit. Michael Saraco Systems Consultant 303-838-3374 x115 Cell 507-525-0530 From: Mark Steely

Re: FDRUPSTR and Timeouts

2010-06-21 Thread Longnecker, Dennis
Its complaining about the communication from the Upstream started tasks and the server being backed up. If you are like me, the Upstream server task is talking to the server via TCP/IP and then upstream uses the escon/ficon to actually backup to disk/tape. When this problem occurs here, it i

Re: ZFS Files

2010-06-21 Thread John McKown
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 17:28 -0500, Mark Steely wrote: > I am currently z/os v1r11 and having some trouble with ZFS files. > During the IPL several of the ZFS files receive message: IOEZ00078E > zFS aggregate OMVS.SBBN7HFS exceeds 95% full I have been able to > expand several of the files usi

Re: FDRUPSTR and Timeouts

2010-06-21 Thread Hawley, Scott R
Hi John. We've been through this over here some time ago. Right about the time we switched to ESCON, an interesting coincidence... Our solution was to add 'TIMEOUT=25' to the UPSTREAM task parm field. Our timeout is now 25 minutes which may be too long for your shop, UPSTREAM will wait that lon

Re: Disk replacing Tape?

2010-06-21 Thread Bob Woodside
On Monday 21 June 2010, McKown, John wrote: > > Long term data should be enscribed on granite and stored in the > Egyptian desert. This is proven technology! > My goodness, is it Friday already? -- Bob Woodside Woodsway Consulting, Inc. http://www.woodsway.com -