Re: Adabas Pricing model

Hi, my customer runs 2 z/196 and is changeing the "old"-CICS/DB2/ADABAS based software to Java-based AIX-Software, where System Z is a big DB2-Datasharing DATABASE Server for this application. From the "old" times they still have some CICS-ADABAS and CICS-DB2-System

Re: Adabas Pricing model

So you guys actually had (or have) a capacity based agreement with SAG? Is it based on the same sub-capacity numbers that IBM uses or is there a special SAG way of doing this? Thanks, Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Adabas Pricing model

sure. Regards, Leon -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Brian Westerman Sent: Tue 03/05/2011 07:42 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Adabas Pricing model I tried the contact via the web site a few days ago and still have not heard back. I called

Re: Adabas Pricing model

Akaik yes. I have seen a message in the syslog saying that Adabas/Natural capacity purchased runs over. This mean that the capacity is less then the machine capacity installed. ITschak On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: > http://www.softwareag.com/corporate/contact

Re: Adabas Pricing model

I tried the contact via the web site a few days ago and still have not heard back. I called (last Thursday) and was told that "someone" would get back with me asap. I guess asap takes longer than it used to. Brian -- For IBM-MA

Re: Adabas Pricing model

hen's teeth"? > >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On >> Behalf Of Brian Westerman >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 5:18 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Subject: Adabas Pricing model >> >&g

Re: Adabas Pricing model

2011 5:18 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Adabas Pricing model > > Hi, > > I was asked today if Software AG had a sub capacity pricing model for > Adabas > and Natural. My first inclination was to tell them to call SAG, but > they > told me that they were

Adabas Pricing model

Hi, I was asked today if Software AG had a sub capacity pricing model for Adabas and Natural. My first inclination was to tell them to call SAG, but they told me that they were unable to get any kind of response back on the question, so I tried myself, and I have not been able to get a response

IBM Application Performance Analyzer and ADABAS

Anyone out there using IBM's Application Performance Analyzer (APA) with ADABAS/NATURAL applications? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GE

Re: ADABAS On Other Platforms

Hi Jim, As I wrote to you in other post SmartDCI from PKS replaces the ADABAS stub module with one of its own and is able to direct adabas calls to DB2/Oracle on almost any platform. It does involves any code change. ITschak On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Mark Post wrote: > >>&

Re: ADABAS On Other Platforms

>>> On 11/20/2009 at 12:51 PM, Jim Marshall wrote: > I am hearing from my ADABAS DBA that ADABAS can run on other platforms > such as UNIX and Windows (anyone know if it is true for zLinux). Anyway > would like to get an idea of people who are actually doing it today and o

ADABAS On Other Platforms

I am hearing from my ADABAS DBA that ADABAS can run on other platforms such as UNIX and Windows (anyone know if it is true for zLinux). Anyway would like to get an idea of people who are actually doing it today and our agency would like to chat, if possible, about your experience. it is running

Re: MQ Interface for ADABAS/Natural

Shmuel Coller probably has some very good advice for attaching MQ to Natural (Software AG's EntireX, which comes via their acquisition of webMethods). webMethods (now Software AG) is one of the major mainframe integration vendors. It's probably also fair to point out that there's a rather long list

Re: MQ Interface for ADABAS/Natural

--Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Marshall Sent: א 25 ינואר 2009 04:03 To: ibm-main@bama.ua.edu Subject: MQ Interface for ADABAS/Natural We brought in IBM Websphere MQ as part of the IBM Enterprise Service Bus. Now a group is

Re: MQ Interface for ADABAS/Natural

on List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On > Behalf Of Jim Marshall > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:03 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: MQ Interface for ADABAS/Natural > > We brought in IBM Websphere MQ as part of the IBM Enterprise Service Bus. > Now a group is trying to in

MQ Interface for ADABAS/Natural

We brought in IBM Websphere MQ as part of the IBM Enterprise Service Bus. Now a group is trying to interface some Natural code to MQ. There are documented interfaces for things like COBOL but none for SoftwareAG's Natural. Anyone know of some company making an interface for this. thanks jim

Re: Adabas, zOs and WLM

Hi Anton, At my prior gig we had North American, mostly CST and some EST zone work and a UK workload. I supported one WLM policy. The workloads were grouped as usual, prod onlines, prod batch, test onlines, test batch, etc I had CICS, IDMS, Adabas, Complete, WAS, Domino, TSO. You get

Re: Adabas, zOs and WLM

buddies in a different environment again. Good luck. Jerry Anton Britz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 06/12/2008 03:49 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Adabas, zOs and WLM Hi, How many of you have dif

Re: Adabas, zOs and WLM

will run faster just by nature. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton Britz Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Adabas

Adabas, zOs and WLM

Hi, How many of you have different WLM defintions for a "Day" time load and a "Night" time load in zOs . The LPAR is running CICS, ADABAS, SHADOW ? I am trying to tell them the concept of having different WLM settings for the different parts of the day , is old fashi

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/13/2007 at 10:05 PM, Andrew McLaren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >(*Once I was solemnly informed by an IT manager that only two operating >systems exit for IBM mainframes: MVS and VM! What? No DPPX/370?? :-) No ACP, no DOS, no IX/370, no MTS, no OS/VS1, no SVS, no T

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

On 12 Oct 2007 07:07:18 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote: >Bad assumption IMHO. Mainframe is a dino, a lot of things still exist on >mainframe because of conservative users. At a risk of starting new war I >can provide some examples: >a) VSE. It is obsolete, insecure, in fact "moribound". O

Re: ADABAS vs DB2 vs IMS - Another View

On 11 Oct 2007 04:33:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >The real question is the cost to run whatever is chosen. ... > >OK, so for technology sake, it is great to know who would win if some race >were run. But speed is a criterion used to determine: 1. Whether it is fast enough.

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Design counts - always has - always will. ADABAS got rewritten to 64bit addressability bufferpools with what they call ADABAS 2006. I don't know how widely implemented it is. The design target for ADABAS is closer to IMS than DB2 because it supports multiple occurences for fields in the

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

between DB2 and ADABAS was valid would obviously require knowing whether reasonable effort in design and tuning was employed in both the DB2 and ADABAS implementations of whatever benchmarks were used. DB2 scales upward to heavy loads very well as long as you are willing to be generous in the

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster? Pardon the topic drift, but ... I'd tended to assume VSE was more common in Europe, Middle East, or here in Australia. When I've mentioned VSE to Americans, sometimes they don't even know it exists (okay, granted: these were very poorly infor

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Pardon the topic drift, but ... I'd tended to assume VSE was more common in Europe, Middle East, or here in Australia. When I've mentioned VSE to Americans, sometimes they don't even know it exists (okay, granted: these were very poorly informed folks*! but anyways ..) It sounds, from the respon

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Radoslaw, You are mistaken. IBM has had double-digit new license growth in IMS for several years now. Tom Harper NEON Enterprise Software, Inc. Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: There are possibly no new IMS customers in even in mainframe world. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland ---

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Is the customer base growing? Maybe, maybe not, only IBM knows. But I certainly wouldn't use that classify it as a dead operating system. IBM is still putting a fair amount of investment into it, 64-bit real support, VSE Connectors, new device capabilities. Hardly the mark of a dead operati

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

stems TPF running, there is an advantage to size. Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A L Hughes Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster? Radoslaw

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

A L Hughes wrote: Radoslaw You have been reading too many ill-informed Anton comments Well... no comments. VSE is NOT dead by any means. Catch the WAVV! And if you think that TPF is dead, just check how many airlines use it every day. Ask Kees for his learned opinion! Is the customer

Re: VSE 4.2 (Was: ADABAS vs. IMS...)

Eric Bielefeld wrote: Note the last sentence - which says "when and if the product is announced"! That doesn't sound very encouraging, although maybe all of the z/OS announcements say that and I never noticed before. That's how the previews are written. Eventually, there will be a formal prod

Re: VSE 4.2 (Was: ADABAS vs. IMS...)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina > > Several releases of VSE/ESA and z/VSE have been 'previewed' > in this same manner. As have specifically z/OS 1.10 and 1.11 (see the z/OS 1.9 Announcement Letter). -jc- -

Re: VSE 4.2 (Was: ADABAS vs. IMS...)

Several releases of VSE/ESA and z/VSE have been 'previewed' in this same manner. Eric Bielefeld wrote: From the announcement quoted below: Planned availability Previews provide insight into current IBM plans and direction. IBM development plans are subject to change or withdrawal without

Re: VSE 4.2 (Was: ADABAS vs. IMS...)

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:30 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: VSE 4.2 (Was: ADABAS vs. IMS...) > > > From the announcement

VSE 4.2 (Was: ADABAS vs. IMS...)

From the announcement quoted below: Planned availability Previews provide insight into current IBM plans and direction. IBM development plans are subject to change or withdrawal without further notice. Any reliance on this Preview is at the relying party's sole risk and will not create an

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

; From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Edward Jaffe > Sent: Friday, 12 October, 2007 10:17 > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster? > > A L Hughes wrote: > > VSE is NOT dead by any means. Catch the

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

A L Hughes wrote: VSE is NOT dead by any means. Catch the WAVV! Or the latest z/VSE announcement at http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/8/897/ENUS207-228/ENUS207228.PDF -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x3

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Radoslaw You have been reading too many ill-informed Anton comments VSE is NOT dead by any means. Catch the WAVV! And if you think that TPF is dead, just check how many airlines use it every day. Ask Kees for his learned opinion! IMS - as others have commented, almost every time you

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Suggest that you ask your question on Yahoo Message boards. I think your diatribe would be better directed there, from what I have read.. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster? Van Dalsen, Herbie wrote: [...] > The reason why both(DB2/Adabas) are st

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

"R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Van Dalsen, Herbie wrote: > [...] > > The reason why both(DB2/Adabas) are still with us is probably because > > they ultimately offer a different set of benefits to their users. >

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Radoslaw, Let me give a different view about IMS. If one takes a different perspective and looks at the historical timeline, many companies developed their core infrastructure applications during the 1970's, and IMS was well-suited for it. These applications have proved enduring and scalable, and

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Van Dalsen, Herbie wrote: [...] The reason why both(DB2/Adabas) are still with us is probably because they ultimately offer a different set of benefits to their users. Bad assumption IMHO. Mainframe is a dino, a lot of things still exist on mainframe because of conservative users. At a risk

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/09/2007 at 11:36 AM, Anton Britz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Tell me , what should I invest my money in ? SCOX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't care. We don't have

Re: ADABAS vs DB2 vs IMS - Another View

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/11/2007 at 06:33 AM, Jim Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Hey, one will naturally be faster; Not in general; quite often the answer is "Neither." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Anton Could you include some links to these papers ? Mohammad On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:26:51 -0500, Anton Britz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >b) Facts to support my views ? I was pointing you to papers available on the >Web. I can not write 50 pages in the middle of a "bar" because maybe you >have

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

ask more questions before you decide on what to say. Herbie: You can not ignore me if I come up the Ireland Airport bathroom... I will be devastated. Anton Itschak Mugzach wrote: Anton, I am not in a stage I have to select an Enterprise database. I just wondered IF (Adabas is faster, as I

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Anton, The original question was " ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster", I know that the thread has been abused to propagate someone's so-called expertise, it has also been abused to rant... a) My opening statement was referring to "what you hear on your TV these

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Jeez.. -Original Message-From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton BritzSent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster? Herbie, Just think about what you type in the "Subject

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Herbie, Just think about what you type in the "Subject line" of your postings... If you change it, you start another discussion THREAD and then you will be ignored. Nobody will pay any attention to your point... Not sure if you get it... Conclusion : All the other things you should not wo

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Anton, Aren't you just a very diligent guy, my heart goes out to you,:-) honestly, you must be working at least bout 19? hours a day to give your employer value for his money especially as you are spending at least ??? of them guarding our list for us... good job!!! That is to say if you aren'

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Mohammed, I will explain what I meant in my posting : a) My opening statement was refering to "what you hear on your TV these days" and the Geneva conventions. Never mind... b) Facts to support my views ? I was pointing you to papers available on the Web. I can not write 50 pages in the midd

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Hi Herbie, Thanks for the posting but if you'all keep the "Subject line" the same , the discussions stay in the same thread. Some of us only read certain threads in here... You have a valid point but that was not the original question. Anton ---

Re: RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

e for ADABAS. The original question did not mention maintaining the products only using the provided utilities. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message

Re: RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Could you ask your expert if ADABAS exploits SMS? As far as I know, an ADABAS database is a set of pre-formatted datasets and needs to be extended using ADABAS utilities? Since IMS and DB2 are able to extend using SMS rules, that would be one positive aspect of maintainability. Also, I believe

Re: ADABAS vs DB2 vs IMS - Another View

Part of your basic question -- "will each of these do the job I need" -- can be out of the hands of the technical staff on-site. At this shop, we run CA-Datacom, Model 204, and DB2 on the mainframe. We don't run three DBMSes just for kicks, though. Our decision, back in the 80's

Re: RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

hat makes them an "expert". > > >And just how do you know how much this "Adabas expert" knows about IMS >and DB2? > >What makes him right? > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive acc

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Anton >Just to show that I do not have anything against any "Mohammed" out there : I don't have anything against Antons either, though I do find the name Bhootnath a little spooky. > >Questions : > >a) How many "shops" that tried to convert , have you spoken too >b) How many conversions have yo

ADABAS vs DB2 vs IMS - Another View

small part of the total cost (which was not as much as folks remember). Next are the licensing issues. I do run ADABAS and is far, far, far, more expensive to run than DB2 (IMS I have no inkling). Say I want a non-company employee to access any of the data stored in ADABAS. SoftwareAG wants big

Re: ADABAS vs. IMS vs. DB2 Who is faster?

Itschak, I started in the COBOL arena, I briefly programmed in Natural/ADABAS for the SA Revenue back in the 80's and touched on DB2 when I managed 3 DB2 training systems for IBM SA back in 96-98. They were DB2 of course. My thinking is this... Natural is very easy to program, but very expe

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Anton, I am not in a stage I have to select an Enterprise database. I just wondered IF (Adabas is faster, as I was told) and WHY (IBM and others don't ask for TPC tests for Mainframe DBs). Should I regret asking that? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [m

Re: RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

You seem to make a point to question other knowledge and ask them to explain what makes them an "expert". And just how do you know how much this "Adabas expert" knows about IMS and DB2? What makes him right? Anton Britz wrote: Let's focus ? The original que

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Mohammed, Just to show that I do not have anything against any "Mohammed" out there : Questions : a) How many "shops" that tried to convert , have you spoken too b) How many conversions have you done because it sounds like I challenged your "Db2 knowledge"... which was not part of the original

Re: RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton Britz Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster? Hi, Jon wants us all to "play nicely" and I wou

Re: RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

a private Yacht Club. b) WLM uses the DB2 requester's DP. This way your >online >requests are privileged in comparation with batch requests (If online >service >classes are superior to batch ones). Answer : True... this has been a problem in Adabas in the 80's but since the

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

And what makes you believe it to be IBM's or DB2's fault ? Conversion crew's lack of DB2 expertise might have been a reason. Mohammad On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:45:41 -0500, Anton Britz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >d) "ADABAS doesn't scale to >really la

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

quests (If online service classes are superior to batch ones). As far as i know ADABAS process batch or online requests the same way. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Enough said... and this is my last posting, for those that had enough of this serious talk in a bar. Anton Britz One can only hope. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROT

RES: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

There is another point, WLM uses the DB2 requester's DP. This way your online requests are privileged in comparation with batch requests (If online service classes are superior to batch ones). As far as i know ADABAS process batch or online requests the same way. Atenciosamente / Re

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

asking you the question but I am going to skip that part and just assume I am in a bar , after a football game and somebody just wants to show he knows something.. The Questions that was asked in this thread : a) I spoke few days ago with an ADABAS specialist that claimed that ADABAS is much

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Anton Britz How did you get out of my killfile?? Well, since you're here (for now). > Summary: > > Yes, I have been working with Adabas, IMS and DB2 for the > last 30 years. Yet, in

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

On 10/10/07, Anton Britz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, I have been working with Adabas, IMS and DB2 for the last 30 years. > Even went back to IBM 4 years a'go to do all the DB2 courses in Dallas but > then again, if you where subscribed to any of the Database em

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

. . . except that you haven't done anything to answer the original question, from Itschak: " I spoke few days ago with an ADABAS specialist that claimed that ADABAS is much faster and has low overhead compared to IMS and DB2. Is this true?" Radoslaw and Allan, among others

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

The Point I was trying to make : Would you subscribe to the "embryonic stem cells research" email list and then propose to Oliver Smithies, Martin Evans and Mario Capecchi what to do ? Summary: Yes, I have been working with Adabas, IMS and DB2 for the last 30 years. Even went back

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Did you have a different answer than Allan's "It depends," or were simply taking the opportunity once again to take a potshot at someone for no good reason? Jon Summarized : a) So you never worked with ADABAS in your life b) You only worked with IMS and DB2 for 5 years...

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jones, Kelly (Indust, PTL) Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster? Hello Mike, Most of the restrictions in the classes you

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Hello Mike, Most of the restrictions in the classes you mentioned disappeared from ADABAS years ago. In our shop we yo-yo the ADABAS databases weekly - though I know many shops that yo-yo the database only when an IPL is required. We run backups every day - this can be done on only those blocks

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Hi, I am 100% convinced, the computer world in the USA is like another "Iraq story"... Here we have another person that worked with Adabas 20 years a'go and he wants to compare Databases. You can be succesful in the USA ... hang in there.. "stay the course". Anton

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Hi, Come on "Cics guy"... There is a lot of us reading most of this junk on IBM-MAIN and : a) Asking a question b) Making a statement on what you really know well is acceptably to most... but how big is your World if you make a signon called "Cics Guy" and then want to talk about morality ?

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Did I stumble into a dark closet and find myself trapped in a job interview? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CICS Guy Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Thank goodness our moral compass is still around... -Original Message-From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton BritzSent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster? Hi, Summarized

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

I supported ADABAS for 2 years about 20 years ago. What I remember was the SVC that modified itself and still running with 24 bit addressability. Don't get me wrong - I could write amazing programs in Natural in just a couple of hours but the other restrictions were painfull. Went

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anton Britz Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster? Hi, Summarized : a) So you never worked with ADABAS in your life b

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Hi, Summarized : a) So you never worked with ADABAS in your life b) You only worked with IMS and DB2 for 5 years... maybe as a user but you are talking about : a) SQL b) Database access methods c) Which Database people should be using Summarized : Are you working for the 'White house&q

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Please can you explain to your audience how long have you been around and how long have you been workling with Adabas, IMS and DB2 ? I have been a MVS systems programmer for about 35 years. I have worked with IMS and DB2 for about 5 years. I have never worked with ADABAS. I have no aversion or

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Allan, Please can you explain to your audience how long have you been around and how long have you been workling with Adabas, IMS and DB2 ? Please define also what type of work have you been doing with all these Database software packages, if you can still remember.. Why ? In the USA there

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Subject: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster? I spoke few days ago with an ADABAS specialist that claimed that ADABAS is much faster and has low overhead compared to IMS and DB2. Is this true? As with most things in this business, it depends. The first question to ask is "What source ar

Re: ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

Itschak Mugzach wrote: I spoke few days ago with an ADABAS specialist that claimed that ADABAS is much faster and has low overhead compared to IMS and DB2. Is this true? Apples and oranges. There is no reason to compare speed of IMS to DB2. IMS is not relational database, so it works in quite

ADABAS vs IMS vs DB2 Who is faster?

I spoke few days ago with an ADABAS specialist that claimed that ADABAS is much faster and has low overhead compared to IMS and DB2. Is this true? Itschak -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP - Solution

Hi Everyone, Thanx to everyone who offered suggestions. We ended up using STRUC R on both sides of the transfer. The file transferred just fine. Thanx again and Have a Happy new Year. Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

In a recent note, G+D+J+ B+N% #B+J+ said: > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:10:58 +0200 > > We are trying to transfer an ADABAS backup file from a VSE system to an MVS > system using FTP. > > There is no direct connection between the VSE and MVS systems. We have to > t

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP Hi, We are trying to transfer an ADABAS backup file from a VSE system to an MVS system using FTP. There is no direct connection between the VSE and MVS systems. We have to transfer the file from the VSE system

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:11 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP > > &

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

Gadi, Isolate your problem. I routinely transfer VBS files using FTP. I suspect somewhere your SITE option are incorrect... say CRLF. 1) Extract the file to a flat file. Is the RDW there? 2) FTP the file to MVS, Is the RDW there? 3) FTP the file to you PC, Is the RDW there ? How about PKZIP t

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

-8675 גדי בן אבי <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 12/28/2006 06:10 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP Hi, We are trying to transfer an ADABAS

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:10:58 +0200 ??? ?? ??? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>We are trying to transfer an ADABAS backup file from a VSE system to an MVS system using FTP. :>There is no direct connection between the VSE and MVS systems. We have to transfer the file from the VSE sys

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

Subject: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP Snip The problem is that the ADABAS backup file has variable length records and the record and block length information is lost during the transfer. snip _ From

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roberto Halais Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP Gadi: I think there are numerous samples in IBM-MAIN archives. I recall having seen this theme before. Check the archi

Re: Transferring ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP

ADABAS backup file from VSE to MVS using FTP Gadi: I think there are numerous samples in IBM-MAIN archives. I recall having seen this theme before. Check the archives at: http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Kind regards, Roberto On 12/28/06, גדי בן אבי <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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