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> Ämne: Avoiding Java (Was: And you ask why I hate OMVS?)
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> Shane wrote:
> &g
> What frustrates me most is the absence of a command that will terminate a
> pid chain (like described above) *without* having to issue a force to each
> and every process.
While pids converted to hex look a lot more readable, as far as I could see,
they're shown in decimal, too, when the ps com
2009/6/24 Barbara Nitz
> What frustrates me most is the absence of a command that will terminate a
> pid chain (like described above) *without* having to issue a force to each
and
> every process. The numbers aren't really conducive to being analyzed by a
> human[...]
Certainly not conducive to
What a great quote!
I'm a big Java fan, but your statement is sadly true about most Java
applications developed today.
It is not that Java isn't a terrific language, but all modern OO languages
suffer the same problem: they provide more ways for poor programmers to
make a mess. Most companies a
On 24 Jun 2009 11:01:29 -0700, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Edward
Jaffe) wrote:
>But, then you would not know the "joys" of using the "write once; debug
>everywhere" language! ;-)
Modern languages are like TVs. We don't maintain their code, we
replace it.
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Subject: Avoiding Java (Was: And you ask why I hate OMVS?)
Shane wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 06:09 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
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ect: Avoiding Java (Was: And you ask why I hate OMVS?)
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> Shane wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 06:09 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Avoid the use of Java when not needed.
> >>
> >
> > s/ when not needed//
> >
> &g
Shane wrote:
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 06:09 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
Avoid the use of Java when not needed.
s/ when not needed//
Shane ...
But, then you would not know the "joys" of using the "write once; debug
everywhere" language! ;-)
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:25:21 -0500, Arthur Gutowski wrote:
>I don't know about *your* automation product, but ours doesn't like "F
>OMVS,SHUTDOWN" very much. AF/Oper has it's hooks into OMVS, and if you
>kill OMVS before AF/Oper recedes on its own, things tend to get hung out to
>dry, and we hav
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 06:09 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
> Avoid the use of Java when not needed.
s/ when not needed//
Shane ...
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On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 19:27 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
> ... one of the big 4 retail banks in Australia were disappointed
> with the performance of WMB.
Now that *is* a surprise.
... only one ??? ...
Shane ...
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On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:17:57 -0500, Barbara Nitz
wrote:
>F OMVS,SHUTDOWN
>well, at the point I detected those pids, issuing this command would have
>been just as bad as what I did (shutting down the fork service), as OMVS (or
>the fork service) was still needed for WBI shutdown. And thank goodne
David Crayford wrote:
Timothy Sipples wrote:
David Crayford writes:
Ahhhaaa, you named and shamed and I didn't have to
*search the archives*!
A lot of the Websphere portfolio doesn't port well to z/OS.
I have anecdotal evidence (I was told by an IBMer) that
Websphere messaage broker runs like
Timothy Sipples wrote:
David Crayford writes:
Ahhhaaa, you named and shamed and I didn't have to
*search the archives*!
A lot of the Websphere portfolio doesn't port well to z/OS.
I have anecdotal evidence (I was told by an IBMer) that
Websphere messaage broker runs like a stallion on AIX but
s
David Crayford writes:
>Ahhhaaa, you named and shamed and I didn't have to
>*search the archives*!
>A lot of the Websphere portfolio doesn't port well to z/OS.
>I have anecdotal evidence (I was told by an IBMer) that
>Websphere messaage broker runs like a stallion on AIX but
>sucks big time on z/O
Here is what I did this morning:
The chain of pids under pid=1 looked like this 1--> 400 (userid3) --> 200
(userid5) --> 500 (userid1) --> 300 (userid5) and so on.
c userid*.* (there was no address space without a number at the end) got me:
IEE535I CANCEL INVALID PARAMETER
c userid.* (not tha
Barbara,
You could always list the omvs tasks by issuing
D OMVS,A=ALL
Followed by F BPXOINIT,TERM=identified-process-id
and if term did not work, you could use F
BPXOINIT,FORCE=identified-processs-id.
But shutting down OMVS by issuing F OMVS,SHUTDOWN quiesce all the running
process and shuts
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:12:37 +1000, Shane wrote:
>On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 08:50 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote:
>
>> ... if you want your message (and frustrations) to
>> reach them you probably should use the MVS-OE mailing list instead.
>
>And have us all miss out on the entertainment ?.
>How's that f
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:22:35 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
>
>So how are other installations handling system shutdown when there are
>active USS users (or at least their leftover processes)? For a 'pure' MVS, I
>can
>shutdown TSO and the Initiators, cancel any running batch jobs, and I am
>done. But
a.edu
Subject: Re: And you ask why I hate OMVS?
Ahhhaaa, you named and shamed and I didn't have to *search the archives*!
A lot of the Websphere portfolio doesn't port well to z/OS. I have
anecdotal evidence (I was told by an IBMer) that Websphere messaage
broker runs like a stallion o
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 08:50 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote:
> ... if you want your message (and frustrations) to
> reach them you probably should use the MVS-OE mailing list instead.
And have us all miss out on the entertainment ?.
How's that fair ?.
Shane ...
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:22:35 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
>This past weekend I had the dubious honour of shutting down and IPLing 5
>systems, two of them with USS work. The shutting down part was really bad
>(now I know why our operators keep complaining).
>
Just a brief comment that, as far as I
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:46:24 -0400, Pinnacle wrote:
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>Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:23 AM
>Subject: And you ask why I hate OMVS?
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>> This past weekend I had the dubious
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:22:35 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
Isn't
>there any surefire way to get the whole tree stopped in one fell swoop?
F OMVS,SHUTDOWN?
That is what we do. We don't even shutdown ZFS (shutting down OMVS
takes care of ZFS and there was a timing bug with shared file systems
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When all else fails:
F OMVS,SHUTDOWN
It will kick the skids out from under anything that is running!
Not graceful, but effective.
I've never had to issue it more that twice in a shutdown cycle...
HTH,
Subject: And you ask why I hate OMVS?
This past weekend I had the dubious hono
I usually enter the command:
F OMVS,SHUTDOWN
And every UNIX process starts dying. But other than TCPIP, FTP, and TN3270, we
don't run much UNIX stuff.
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David,
>> Just think of the lengths IMS goes to *not* to have an MPR
>> canceled from under it!
>IMS and it's BPE framework has it's hooks firmly in OMVS. IMS Connect
>cannot run without it. An IMS Java MPP/BPP requires OMS (anybody using
>IMS Java?).
I was refering more to the fact that you
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Subject: Re: And you ask why I hate OMVS?
Barbara Nitz wrote:
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> My shutting down the f
Barbara Nitz wrote:
My shutting down the fork service brought WBIFN to a halt, and probably
rightly so. On the other hand, a 'real' MVS component would have had
recovery in place with provisions for that service happening and terminating all
on its own. Just think of the lengths IMS goes to *
Tom,
unless I can specify a certain jobname for that job, don't bother with
searching for it. I cannot shut down *all* active processes, as that was what
got me in trouble. Also, we have a clist that kills all processes left when
JES2
doesn't shut down. Which doesn't help me, as that user is
- Original Message -
From: "Barbara Nitz"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:23 AM
Subject: And you ask why I hate OMVS?
This past weekend I had the dubious honour of shutting down and IPLing 5
systems, two of them with USS work. The shutting
>A lot of the Websphere portfolio doesn't port well to z/OS. I have
>anecdotal evidence (I was told by an IBMer) that Websphere messaage
>broker runs like a stallion on AIX but sucks big time on z/OS.
Agreed to the z/OS part. My ears are still ringing from the cursing my
colleague did when he i
>CANCEL jobname.* cancels all tasks/jobs with the same jobname.
I have only ever used the jobname.identifier construct when I had started gtf
without specifiying the identifier at the start command. I didn't know that
that
might get rid of USS processes.
I'll try it tomorrow morning, to see i
Ahhhaaa, you named and shamed and I didn't have to *search the archives*!
A lot of the Websphere portfolio doesn't port well to z/OS. I have
anecdotal evidence (I was told by an IBMer) that Websphere messaage
broker runs like a stallion on AIX but sucks big time on z/OS.
Having said that, I s
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:22:35 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
>I was looking at them. Canceling any of them didn't really help, never mind
>that the duplicate jobname requires using the asid, which requires a list
first.
>By the time I get around to killing the pid, it's already gone.
>
CANCEL jobname.
me Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
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Subject: And you ask why I hate OMVS?
This past weekend I had the dubious honour of shutting down and IPLing 5
systems, two of them with USS work. The shutting down part w
This past weekend I had the dubious honour of shutting down and IPLing 5
systems, two of them with USS work. The shutting down part was really bad
(now I know why our operators keep complaining).
One lpar has my favourite hate-application running (called WBIFN, for all you
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