In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/16/2007
at 12:03 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
you mean from this prior/similar exchange nearly a year ago
http:/www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#57 PDS Directory Question
Actually, I was hoping that either you had access to old IBM documents
or
Radoslaw Skorupka writes:
Here, in Poland, majority of (small) datacenters run Adabas Natural
application. Very old applications, stable - no enhancements are done.
They're trying to get rid of CICS in place of Com-plete, or AMshell
(polish software). Everything to be qualified for z/OS.e
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 16:01 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
I do live in Tokyo, and there aren't a super abundance of people on
IBM-MAIN who do, so I said what I could in response to the original
question(s).
Seems that it's been put sh1t on Timothy time of late.
No doubt plenty have been
Clark Morris writes:
My view of it is that the software charge per MIP/MSU/latest
measurement unit should follow the same trend as the Windows cost per
megahertz.
*IBM* software pricing per MIP keeps declining, taking all factors into
account and for the *typical* environment. (See a previous
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:00:58 -0400, Clark Morris wrote:
My view of it is that the software charge per MIP/MSU/latest
measurement unit should follow the same trend as the Windows cost per
megahertz. Software legitimately (added security and error checking)
takes more system resource for the same
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/14/2007
at 03:05 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I don't remember MVT option becoming available until release 12
There was at least one retraction and redesign prior to that. Search
for MPS and VMS.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and
snip
You set a worthy challenge, but I'm not allowed to use real names unless
I have explicit permission. However, since you asked, I believe one of
the two largest Linux installations is Nomura Securities, and I can say
that because Nomura
Shane wrote:
--snip---
Seems that it's been put sh1t on Timothy time of late.
No doubt plenty have been rubbed the wrong way by Timothy spouting the
company line. Especially those of us that have customers deserting the
platform.
But he does offer a
But The Company Line is probably the last thing we
want to hear, whether it's right or wrong
I agree.
Especially when it doesn't match reality.
We are NOT paying less!
We are NOT exploiting JAVA/WebSphere on the mainframe.
We do NOT have any workloads that can exploit NAlc, as I understand the
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From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But The Company Line is probably the last thing we
want to hear
Robert Justice wrote:
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But The Company Line is probably the last
7:02 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. writes:
There was at least one retraction and redesign prior to that. Search
for MPS and VMS.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#45 Is anyone still running
you mean from this prior/similar exchange nearly a year ago
http:/www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#57
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Ditto here, Robert!
We have only z9s
We have zIIPs
We have zAAPs
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
But The Company Line is probably the last thing we
want to hear, whether it's right or wrong
I agree.
Especially when it doesn't match reality.
We are NOT paying less!
We are NOT exploiting JAVA/WebSphere on the mainframe.
We do NOT have any workloads that can exploit NAlc,
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Is anyone still running..
Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe isn't necessarily so
either. VWLC means a lot of DB2 customers have seen
exactly.
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Ted,
Just because *you* aren't seeing them does
: Is anyone still running..
Ted,
Just because *you* aren't seeing them does not mean others are not. My
MIPS have been increasing and my charges, at worst, are holding their
own year over year. Keep that room in the tower, Timothy!
Bob Richards
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From
: Re: Is anyone still running..
Mis-attributed.
My quote starts at 'Timothy! Timothy'!
I stateds the same thing as you did!
.
Questions?
Concerns?
(Screems of Outrage?)
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From: Richards.Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007
-snip-
These words :
more expensive
cutting edge customers
have lots of
Of course there's plenty
are bought as quickly as anywhere.
Linux adoption has been incredible
I believe the two largest
Note: These words are all Marketing BS that you send into
Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Is anyone still running..
Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe isn't necessarily so
either. VWLC means a lot of DB2 customers
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From: Clark Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: Software charges was Re: Is anyone still
running..
On 14 Jan 2007 06:14:37 -0800
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/11/2007
at 02:49 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I know systems quite recently upgraded from OS/390 V1R? to z/OS and
...MFT (pre-MVS) system with original 3380 disks.
MFT and MVT were contemporaneous. In fact, a lot of the code in MFT
came from MVT.
--
On 14 Jan 2007 12:11:00 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
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From: Clark Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: Software charges was Re: Is anyone still
running
Rick Fochtman writes:
...unless you want to use real names
and real measurably values on a technical email list.
First of all, I'm not a marketing person. I wouldn't be very good at it
anyway.
You set a worthy challenge, but I'm not allowed to use real names unless I
have explicit permission.
Tom Moulder writes:
I first made an assumption that like all software from IBM new versions
would have an increased MLC. This has been true for DB2 for as long as I
can remember. However, my initial checking seems to indicate that moving
from OS/390 V2 to z/OS V1 could possibly result in
Yes, there are still some shops in Japan running OS/390. It's more
expensive to do that than it is to run z/OS, so it's changing at a good
pace.
There are myriad reasons why that is so, as anyone who knows Japan knows.
Some of those reasons are changing now. It's not a phenomenon unique to
the
On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Yes, there are still some shops in Japan running OS/390. It's more
expensive to do that than it is to run z/OS, so it's changing at a
good
pace.
SNIP--
Timothy,
Is one of the reasons Japan is
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:44:56 +0900, Timothy Sipples
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The zIIP technology is another reason you might see a decrease in
DB2 MLC starting with Version 8. Still yet another reason (for all IBM
software and most other software) is that the MSU basing changes from model
to
Timothy,
I wish your statements were true, but IMHO they're not.
1. Does it really save any cost to switch from OS/390 to z/OS ?
I assume other factors unchanged - CPC, workload, memory, etc.
2. How can I justify cost increase for new versions of DB2 and CICS?
DB2 is even SLOWER, but costs more.
snip
Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe isn't necessarily so either.
VWLC means a lot of DB2 customers have seen their monthly license charges
decrease (around about Version 7 for most shops I think, depending on when
their last OS/390 LPAR disappeared and when they cut the first SCRT
Re: DB2 prices, by the way, what you describe isn't necessarily so either.
VWLC means a lot of DB2 customers have seen their monthly license charges
decrease (around about Version 7 for most shops I think, depending on when
their last OS/390 LPAR disappeared and when they cut the first SCRT
These words :
more expensive
cutting edge customers
have lots of
Of course there's plenty
are bought as quickly as anywhere.
Linux adoption has been incredible
I believe the two largest
Note: These words are all Marketing BS that you send into mostly the
USA from Asia.. Join an ASIA email
that appears to be incorrect.
Tom Moulder
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Of Edward Jaffe
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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Tom Moulder wrote:
I
YES, and am I tired ...
Chris Hoelscher
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Humana Inc
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The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which
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WALK for a bit, you'll feel better.
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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:07 AM
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Subject: Re: Is anyone still running..
james smith wrote:
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members
were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments
Perhaps the poor fellow is fishing for business...
On Thu, January 11, 2007 10:28, Shane wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:43 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote:
Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Philippines still on OS/390
V2.10.
There may be others in Asia/Pacific.
You never know,
Maybe closer to home, and this is hearsay only I'm afraid, but I had a
discussion at the end of last year, on another (non-IT) bulletin board,
with a chap who works in Spain.
He said he worked on OS/390 and when I queried this and pointed out the
EOS fo 2.10 he was adamant that 1 or more
Steve O'Connell wrote:
Maybe closer to home, and this is hearsay only I'm afraid, but I had a
discussion at the end of last year, on another (non-IT) bulletin board,
with a chap who works in Spain.
He said he worked on OS/390 and when I queried this and pointed out the
EOS fo 2.10 he was
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:28:42 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:43 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote:
Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Philippines still on OS/390 V2.10.
There may be others in Asia/Pacific.
You never know, there might even be a couple in
, 2007 8:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is anyone still running..
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:28:42 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:43 +1100, Stephen Mednick wrote:
Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Philippines still on
OS
-Original Message-
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members
were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly
interested in the financial sector.
I wonder if they have three letters in the alphabet.
T
C
O
Tom Moulder
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey D. Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Is anyone still running..
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10
List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rankin, Bob
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:08 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is anyone still running..
Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
production on a Multiprise 2003-125 (G3
On 11 Jan 2007 10:07:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
production on a Multiprise 2003-125 (G3) processor. I am preparing for the
installation of a z890 with an implementation of OS390 V2R10 in about 4-6
months.
With
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:03:59 -0400, Clark Morris wrote:
On 11 Jan 2007 10:07:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
production on a Multiprise 2003-125 (G3) processor. I am preparing for
the
installation of a z890 with an
From: Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, January 11, 2007 3:41 pm
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:03:59 -0400, Clark Morris wrote:
On 11 Jan 2007 10:07:57 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Here at the City of Portland in Oregon, USA we have OS/390 V2R4 in
production on a
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:44:00 -0700, Daver! wrote:
I am preparing for the
installation of a z890 with an implementation of OS390 V2R10 in about
4-6
months.
With that great a gap, if you aren't reusing DASD, why not just go for
current z/OS and do some testing?
Can you make that leap
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:41 -0600, Dave Kopischke wrote:
I thought the highest you can go on z/OS is 1.4 on a non-64-bit machine ???
1.5.
I have it on an MP3K still idling away in the office - no DB2 V8, so
no-one's interested in it any more.
Shane ...
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:11:36 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:41 -0600, Dave Kopischke wrote:
I thought the highest you can go on z/OS is 1.4 on a non-64-bit machine ???
Often confused because 1.4 was the highest version that Bimodal
Accommodation was available
Tom Moulder wrote:
I am curious, since IBM has announced EOM for OS/390 -- any version -- how
you ordered the operating system for the 890 you plan to install? If you
have 2.4 can you then order the upgrade to 2.10? Is it an upgrade or a
fresh install? If it is not an upgrade, you might be
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly
interested in the financial sector.
Regards
James F. Smith
Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 4:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Is anyone still running..
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any
list members were aware of any financial organization(s)
still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or still running
james smith wrote:
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members
were
aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or
still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly
interested in the financial sector.
Is it something
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