Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/27/2005 at 05:06 AM, Dave Cartwright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Oh yes. Our Net Nanny is VERY strict, no possibility of smut is >allowed. IME, there's a far higher chance of getting smut from e-mail than from Usenet. If they're worried about smut, they'd do far be

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/26/2005 at 12:12 PM, Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >usenet >usegroups >newsgroups >listservs >The subtleties between these I've never really >focused on, but they are becoming important to >me now. Usenet and[1] Network News refers to the facility. The

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-28 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Steve (C), if you still need a newsserver, there are a number of totally free newsservers around on the internet, no subscription needed, usually no posting allowed, but you don't need this since you must post via email. If you need one, Google for "free newsservers", there are lists maintained by

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-27 Thread Dave Cartwright
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:49:57 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: ---snip- >> >2. Do other companies restrict newsgroups or usenet like we do? > Oh yes. Our Net Nanny is VERY strict, no possibility of smut is allowed. At least in EAME, I couldn't say about the ROW. It

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Jeffery Swagger
I see that Steve Samson already posted some instructions for you. If you're still having trouble let me know and maybe I can send you some screen shots of the config panels or something. -- Jeff Steve Comstock said the following on 06/26/2005 11:25 AM: Jeffery Swagger wrote: "Usenet" and "new

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Steve Samson wrote: Steve, Go to Tools-Account Settings to set up each newsgroup account. The one for IBM-MAIN as a newsgroup is any general newsgroup server, usually one provided by your ISP. If you can't get here that way, try Teranews.com. Once an account is set up, you may then subscribe

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/26/2005 10:19:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usenet" and "newsgroups" tend to be used interchangeably, but they're not strictly the same. The main line groups like comp.*, soc.* and so on are centrally administered by some organization whose na

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Samson
Steve, Go to Tools-Account Settings to set up each newsgroup account. The one for IBM-MAIN as a newsgroup is any general newsgroup server, usually one provided by your ISP. If you can't get here that way, try Teranews.com. Once an account is set up, you may then subscribe to specific newsgrou

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Steve Comstock
Jeffery Swagger wrote: "Usenet" and "newsgroups" tend to be used interchangeably, but they're not strictly the same. The main line groups like comp.*, soc.* and so on are centrally administered by some organization whose name escapes me at the moment. In any case, you need a newsreader client to

Re: Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-26 Thread Jeffery Swagger
"Usenet" and "newsgroups" tend to be used interchangeably, but they're not strictly the same. The main line groups like comp.*, soc.* and so on are centrally administered by some organization whose name escapes me at the moment. In any case, you need a newsreader client to read/post to the groups

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... And why were all those pages left blank intentionally ? ... We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”. A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank. -teD (The secret to success is sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made!) ---

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-25 Thread Gibney, Dave
" and also "Eich Verboten" :) . -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Zitzelberger Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-25 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Joe Zitzelberger wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 11:15 PM, Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Joe Zitzelberger wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:13 PM, Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Bill Klein wrote: --SNIP-

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-25 Thread Paul Hanrahan
And why were all those pages left blank intentionally ? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Zitzelberger Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-25 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On Jun 24, 2005, at 11:15 PM, Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Joe Zitzelberger wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:13 PM, Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Bill Klein wrote: --SNIP--- NOTE WELL: Although this topic comes up occasiona

Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

2005-06-25 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Joe, I'm not sure that most people have unsenet available at work. I read the list both at work and at home from the newsgroup, but as far as I know, I'm still the only one where I work that has access to newsgroups. A couple of years ago, I was getting so much spam that I decided to change

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 24, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Joe Zitzelberger wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:13 PM, Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Bill Klein wrote: --SNIP--- NOTE WELL: Although this topic comes up occasionally in IBM-MAIN, there really are VERY FEW "

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On Jun 24, 2005, at 5:13 PM, Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 24, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Bill Klein wrote: --SNIP--- NOTE WELL: Although this topic comes up occasionally in IBM-MAIN, there really are VERY FEW "questions" in either comp.lang.cobol or TEK-TIPS about

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 24, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Bill Klein wrote: --SNIP--- NOTE WELL: Although this topic comes up occasionally in IBM-MAIN, there really are VERY FEW "questions" in either comp.lang.cobol or TEK-TIPS about "what does the following IBM COBOL compiler

Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Bill Klein
"Shmuel Metz , Seymour J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 >at 07:23 PM, Joe Zitzelberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >In all contexts, this message means you have a screwed up DBCS > >literal in your source code.

Re: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 at 01:33 PM, Bill Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >With FLAG(I,I) which became the default at the same time as DBCS, the >message *does* appear exactly AFTER the line (inserted by the >preprocessor) which follows the originally coded line. As the mesage >a

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 at 07:23 PM, Joe Zitzelberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >While the preprocessors usually do a decent job, blind faith in their > abilities is excessive. There are many cases where they can produce > errors in a compile. How will having more documentatio

Re: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 at 01:36 PM, Bill Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >So far, I haven't received any off-list or online replies to my >pointing out my "work-in-progress" web page at: > http://home.comcast.net/~wmklein/IBM/ErrMsg.htm >Would this type of web-page be of use

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 at 11:31 AM, Tom Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>I assure you that the compiler writers find the messages totally >>informative. >For most of them that is true. Well, yes, but the compiler writers should not be the target audience. I assure you that prog

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/23/2005 at 10:15 AM, David Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Above notwithstanding, I recognize that it is MUCH easier to get a >RCF accepted than an APAR, No way. The response to an RCF is highly idiosyncratic, there is often no feedback and there is no appeal m

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:09 AM, Thomas Conley wrote: Not at all. Just because you find a shift-in in your source doesn't mean the error message is at fault. If you look at your listing and actually see a shift in there, then you might want to complain about the preprocessor that placed i

Re: "Message Standards" w9as: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "W. Kevin Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: "Message Standards" w9as: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) There is an IBM corporate

Re: "Message Standards" w9as: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-24 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "Bill Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: "Message Standards" w9as: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) Tom, You say this in this message an

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 23, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Bill Klein wrote: So far, I haven't received any off-list or online replies to my pointing out my "work-in-progress" web page at: http://home.comcast.net/~wmklein/IBM/ErrMsg.htm Would this type of web-page be of use to those who can't figure out the COBOL compi

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Perryman, Brian wrote: ---SNIP- I feel that I'm being judged here, and in some previous posts, on shoddy workmanship. I should point out that this was on our test LPAR, where we specifically let developers and users loose to see what they can br

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On Jun 23, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/22/2005 at 07:00 PM, Joe Zitzelberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: And you forgot to terminate or continue in accordance with the rules. No, *you* forgot that he was using the preprocessor. The data

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Bill Klein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) With FLAG(I,I) which became the default at the same time as DBCS, the message *does* appear exactly AFTER the line (inserted by the prepro

Re: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 13:36 -0500, Bill Klein wrote: >http://home.comcast.net/~wmklein/IBM/ErrMsg.htm > > Would this type of web-page be of use to those who can't figure out the > COBOL compiler messages? For those who haven't looked: the page is a table of URLs into the bookmanager version o

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
dress and review it from there. Peter -Original Message- From: Bill Klein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) So far, I haven't received any off-list or online rep

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Tom Ross
>> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:48 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Bill Klein
So far, I haven't received any off-list or online replies to my pointing out my "work-in-progress" web page at: http://home.comcast.net/~wmklein/IBM/ErrMsg.htm Would this type of web-page be of use to those who can't figure out the COBOL compiler messages? "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Bill Klein
With FLAG(I,I) which became the default at the same time as DBCS, the message *does* appear exactly AFTER the line (inserted by the preprocessor) which follows the originally coded line. As the mesage also tells the column where the problem exists, it should be pretty obvious where the problem was

Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Bill Klein
re getting IGYPS0157-E and IGYPS0158E messages when they try and compile a CICS COBOL program on z/OS 1.4 in Enterprise Cobol of z/OS and OS/390 V3.2. > > I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!! Is there some convoluted format for decoding them? > > I sus

"Message Standards" w9as: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Bill Klein
"Thomas Conley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > David, > > Yes, I am passionate about this issue because I have wasted countless hours > debugging problems related to so-called "self-documenting" error messages. I > find it amazing that the COBOL developers can thu

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Perryman, Brian
>SNIP< -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Clark Morris While someone should have caught the change in options (something I was normally paranoid about when going to a new release) >UNSNIP< I feel that I'm being judged here, and in

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Clark Morris
On 23 Jun 2005 07:16:02 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 09:16 -0400, Thomas Conley wrote: >> I bet you think that the BPX messages coming out of ISHELL are also >> self-documenting. > >Aw, c'mon Tom. There are some excellent decafs -- you should try one. > >The C

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 23, 2005, at 7:44 AM, Bill Klein wrote: "Perryman, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wgc.win2k.corp.tns i.com>... SNIP< What is not self-describing about these is why they suddenly started appearing when the programmer hadn't changed any of his co

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Thomas Conley
David, My responses sprinkled below. Tom - Original Message - From: "David Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) On Thu, 2005-06-2

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 22, 2005, at 11:09 PM, Thomas Conley wrote: - Original Message - From: "Joe Zitzelberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) On Jun 2

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/22/2005 at 07:00 PM, Joe Zitzelberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >And you forgot to terminate or continue in accordance with the rules. No, *you* forgot that he was using the preprocessor. The data were not his in the first place. He simply trusted the IBM preproce

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/22/2005 at 07:58 PM, Joe Zitzelberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >If you will pardon the pun, this sound like a perfect example of >'shooting the messenger' instead of addressing the root cause. When the messenger hides half of the message, he should be shot. -

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Greg Shirey
To me, this message is "self-documenting" IGD101I SMS ALLOCATED TO DDNAME (FVROUT3 ) DSN (VAT.ALL.VA520R ) STORCLAS (TESTSC) MGMTCLAS () DATACLAS (DEFAULT) VOL SER NOS= TEST07

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 09:16 -0400, Thomas Conley wrote: > I bet you think that the BPX messages coming out of ISHELL are also > self-documenting. Aw, c'mon Tom. There are some excellent decafs -- you should try one. The COBOL messages *are* (for the most) self-documenting. I can't offhand think

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread McKown, John
Hum, there appears to be an apparent need/desire for this documentation, despite IBM's protestations. What I think would be interesting would be a Wikipedia like setup. That's where all these messages could be documented and then users could post their observations and "helpful hints". Unfortunatel

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "Bill Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) Sorry to disagree on this one (again), but the error message tells y

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "Bill Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) What is not self-describing about these is why they suddenly started

Re: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Steve Comstock
Bill Klein wrote: "Perryman, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.com>... SNIP< What is not self-describing about these is why they suddenly started appearing when the programmer hadn't changed any of his code, that's what! If messages start appearing af

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread ibm-main
From: "Bill Klein" > > If messages start appearing after a migration of compilers, then SOMEONE > (application programmer or systems programmer) SHOULD have the sense to > check in the "Migration Guide". > > Furthermore, IMHO, anyone (systems programmer) who does a migration of > compilers and does

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Perryman, Brian
>SNIP< -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Klein Sent: 23 June 2005 13:45 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) If messages start appearing after a migration of com

Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Bill Klein
--- Original Message - > From: "Joe Zitzelberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) > > > > On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Steve

Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Bill Klein
"Perryman, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] i.com>... > >SNIP< > > > > What is not self-describing about these is why they suddenly started appearing when the programmer hadn't changed any of his code, that's what! If messages start appearing after a migration

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-23 Thread Perryman, Brian
>SNIP< > > I will go for it hey its almost Friday. > > If you can't figure out what the message is saying open a PMR with > the COBOL people tell them for the up teenth time that these > messages are NOT self describing. > > Ed >> IGYPS0157-E A shift-out was found in column 50 without a >>

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "Joe Zitzelberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: IGYPS0157

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Steve Comstock wrote: Joe Zitzelberger wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Ed Gould wrote: I will go for it hey its almost Friday. If you can't figure out what the message is saying open a PMR with the COBOL people tell them for the up teenth time that the

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock
Joe Zitzelberger wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Ed Gould wrote: I will go for it hey its almost Friday. If you can't figure out what the message is saying open a PMR with the COBOL people tell them for the up teenth time that these messages are NOT self describing. Ed IGYPS0157-

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Joe Zitzelberger
On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Ed Gould wrote: I will go for it hey its almost Friday. If you can't figure out what the message is saying open a PMR with the COBOL people tell them for the up teenth time that these messages are NOT self describing. Ed IGYPS0157-E A shift-out was found i

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/22/2005 at 01:40 PM, "Pommier, Rex R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Knowing nothing about DBCS or Unicode I have a silly question - is >Unicode a superset of DBCS? No; Unicode is a 20-bit code with a 16-bit subset, compatible with ISO 10646, and does not use a SI/S

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 22, 2005, at 6:41 AM, Perryman, Brian wrote: Hi folks Our developers are getting IGYPS0157-E and IGYPS0158E messages when they try and compile a CICS COBOL program on z/OS 1.4 in Enterprise Cobol of z/OS and OS/390 V3.2. I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock
Bill Klein wrote: OK, to explain ... *ALL* the "DBCS" (or NODBCS) compiler option does is to determine how X'0E' and X'0D' are treated when they appear WITHIN an alphanumeric literal. When it is turned on, then they are treated as SHIFT-OUT/IN control characters (and this may be shifting to

DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
OK, to explain ... *ALL* the "DBCS" (or NODBCS) compiler option does is to determine how X'0E' and X'0D' are treated when they appear WITHIN an alphanumeric literal. When it is turned on, then they are treated as SHIFT-OUT/IN control characters (and this may be shifting to "Unicode" *or* to IB

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
And apparently succeeded ;~) Thanks for the info. Rex -Original Message- From: Steve Comstock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration quest

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock
Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) wrote: I think you're confusing the DBCS value of the NSYMBOL option with the DBCS option. Well, it certainly is confusing. But I tried to make it clear what I was saying is choosing the NATIONAL value for the NSYMBOL option forces on the DBCS option. And it still do

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock
Pommier, Rex R. wrote: Knowing nothing about DBCS or Unicode I have a silly question - is Unicode a superset of DBCS? If so, that would explain how you could need to specify 1 or the other, but 1 is required for the other one. Just an uneducated idea Rex Well I know a little about Unicod

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 >migration question (COBOL) > >Bill Klein wrote: >> "Steve Comstock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... >> >> &

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) Bill Klein wrote: > "Steve Comstock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:<

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/22/2005 at 04:54 PM, "Perryman, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I can see that most of the messages from a compiler would indeed be >self-documenting and quite rightly so, particularly since the reader >is probably the programmer and therefore the one that caused

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/22/2005 at 12:41 PM, "Perryman, Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!! According to IBM the COBOL messages are self explanatory. 1. Sure I'll respect you in the morning. 2. It's okay, Honey, I've had a vasec

Re: DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock
Bill Klein wrote: "Steve Comstock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... And I can't figure out why they made that change, since DBCS is, supposedly, on its eventual way out, to be replaced by NATIONAL (Unicode). Any idea why the default was changed? Especially since

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: "Bill Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:53 AM IGYPS0157-E A shift-out was found in column 50 without a matching shift-in in a nonnumeric or national literal. The literal was processed as written.

DBCS as the "default" (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
"Steve Comstock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > And I can't figure out why they made that change, > since DBCS is, supposedly, on its eventual way > out, to be replaced by NATIONAL (Unicode). Any > idea why the default was changed? Especially since > the vast ma

CICS, COBOL, COBOL2, COBOL3, and DBCS (was: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
uot;McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Perryman, Brian > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:42 AM &g

COBOL compiler messages (was: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
I started a project that I never finished (much less updated for the latest compiler). If you check out my web page at: http://home.comcast.net/~wmklein/IBM/ErrMsg.htm It has an "annotated" version of the ERRMSG output - with a "link" to the place in the COBOL documentation that relates to th

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Perryman, Brian
In many cases it's not a description of the message that's needed, it's what caused it and what your subsequent options for fixing it are that's needed. I can see that most of the messages from a compiler would indeed be self-documenting and quite rightly so, particularly since the reader is pr

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:48 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) > > >

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
her explanation. -Original Message- From: John Mattson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) Cobol decided that its internal messages were SO wonderful that they no

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread John Mattson
Cobol decided that its internal messages were SO wonderful that they no longer needed a messages manual. Yes, really. I found this by opening a PMR with IBM. You can run the following program (Cobol 3.3) : //RUNIVP EXEC IGYWCLG,PARM.COBOL=RENT,REGION=0M, // PARM.L

Re: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock
Bill Klein wrote: If you didn't upgrade your COBOL as well as z/OS, then I would be REALLY surprised in this change occurring. The COBOL documentation talks about the change from NODBCS to DBCS as the "default" compiler option - in newer releases of Enterprise COBOL. There should ALSO be a chan

Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
messages when they try and compile a CICS COBOL program on z/OS 1.4 in Enterprise Cobol of z/OS and OS/390 V3.2. > > I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!! Is there some convoluted format for decoding them? > > I suspect it's just a COBOL options member prob

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Perryman, Brian > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:42 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) Just to expand

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Perryman, Brian
Thanks Dave, I'll probably try that too! - This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)and may contain confidential and privileged information of Transaction NetworkServices. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution isprohibited. If you are not the int

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Perryman, Brian
Ta! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tribble, Robert Sent: 22 June 2005 12:48 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) look here: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Jousma, David
Information Technology (Phone) 616-653-8429 (Fax) 616-653-8497 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Perryman, Brian Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration

Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Tribble, Robert
look here: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21163906 -Original Message- From: Perryman, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL) Hi folks Our developers

Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Perryman, Brian
Hi folks Our developers are getting IGYPS0157-E and IGYPS0158E messages when they try and compile a CICS COBOL program on z/OS 1.4 in Enterprise Cobol of z/OS and OS/390 V3.2. I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!! Is there some convoluted format for decoding them

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