In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2006
at 01:29 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Check this out. It appears to be CMS HELP for the LOAD command. It
includes a description of the REP card but also a VER card.
Thanks.
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/24/2006
at 01:46 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The conjecture may be mine. The operating system was *not* DOS (VSE)
or VM. I'm pretty sure it was the usual smaller OS of the time, VS1
was it mot?
OS/VS1 was the follow-on to OS/360 MFT II. While smaller
However CMS LOAD rejects a SYM card as invalid. Assembler generates it,
LOAD hiccups.
Chris Mason wrote:
Shmuel,
Check this out. It appears to be CMS HELP for the LOAD command. It includes
a description of the REP card but also a VER card.
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Subject: Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really wants?)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/18/2006
at 10:33 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
There seems to be conjecture that it was an early OS (MVT/MVT) that
accommodated them
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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From: Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really
wants?)
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Eric,
Similar but not identical.
A REP card belongs to the days when
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:30:32 -0300
What your quotation flags: you made it looks as though I rather than
Paul was reporting the experiment. It looks like you reflowed some
Thanks. (But I wasn't going to be possessive about it.)
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:33:50 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Sometime in the past there was an option to use rep cards as input to
the linkage editor (now called Binder). The reports on here seem to
indicate that these rep cards are no longer valid . The rep cards as
you spoke are
Date:Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:24:34 -0300
From:Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/13/2006
at 06:08 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Doesn't one of the utilities use the linkage editor, under
,
Ray
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On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
Robert
Ray Mullins wrote:
The only place I've found documentation on REP is in the z/VSE manuals -
that's how MiSHaP translates object code zaps, by adding REP cards to the
end of the object deck.
Sorry. I missed the start of this thread. Are you saying the z/OS PM
Binder accepts REP cards like
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/17/2006
at 03:53 PM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Paul Gilmartin writes:
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:21:19 -0300
is true is that SYSLIB should not contain a concatenation of object
and
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Subject: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor
really wants?)
Ray Mullins wrote:
The only place I've found documentation on REP is in the
z/VSE manuals
Ray Mullins wrote:
Maybe. :-)
Maybe what? Maybe the binder accepts REP cards? Or maybe the binder
accepts REP cards for GOFF objects?
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Date:Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:57:19 -0500
From:Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants?
Which brings up a side issue... is the REP card documented anywhere?
I would think it would be in the BINDER
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Subject: Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor
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Ray Mullins wrote:
Maybe. :-)
Maybe what? Maybe the binder
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Subject: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really wants?)
Ray Mullins wrote:
The only place I've found documentation on REP is in the z/VSE manuals
On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
Edward,
This topic started because Johnny Luo asked about the contents of
an object
module. My reply included a reference to the REP card and thus another
strand of the original thread spun off. (This covers Ray's question.)
In the thread I
Ed Gould wrote:
I too remember rep cards but honestly don't remember where
that they were documented. That is why I asked the question.
I *vaguely* remember them from 25+ years ago. I was just
hoping that someone would know if they are still supported
and if so where they were
At 03:24 +0200 on 04/18/2006, Chris Mason wrote about Re: What's the
linkage editor really wants?:
Robert,
Quite right - total rubbish - I meant to say REP, of course, as can be seen
from the context - and the fact that I specifically said that RLD
corresponds to what can be found
In
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on 04/18/2006
at 07:53 AM, Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The only place I've found documentation on REP is in the z/VSE
manuals -
that's how MiSHaP translates object code zaps, by adding REP
Well, I just took some time to test REP using the documented format from
z/VSE.
And, alas, in z/OS, it doesn't work - neither with the binder nor the
linkage editor (HEWLKED).
Too bad, actually...I could see some usefulness, although there are lots of
other ways around this, and I don't know if
Ray Mullins wrote:
Well, I just took some time to test REP using the documented format from
z/VSE.
And, alas, in z/OS, it doesn't work - neither with the binder nor the
linkage editor (HEWLKED).
Too bad, actually...I could see some usefulness, although there are lots of
other ways around this,
-
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...
Too bad, actually...I could see some usefulness, although there are lots
of
other ways around this, and I
16:45
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Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants?
Ray,
It's a *card* thing - along with felt-tipped pens, elastic
bands and 029 card punches[1] - and you'd be needing a 2540
or 2501 to read your object decks (modules) in and a 2540 to
get them punched
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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor really wants?)
Ray Mullins wrote:
Maybe. :-)
Maybe what? Maybe the binder accepts REP cards? Or maybe the binder
accepts REP cards for GOFF objects?
--
Edward
that there is
also a VER card.
Chris Mason
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I've
In a message dated 4/18/2006 6:50:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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still think I can program an 029.
Two drums or three?
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Subject: Re: Binder REP Cards (Was: What's the linkage editor
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Eric,
Similar but not identical.
A REP card belongs to the days when you
In a message dated 4/18/2006 10:16:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Remember star wheels?
And cards saws...used them up thru the 3900 printer for paper jams...
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On Apr 18, 2006, at 8:33 PM, Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:
I've seen a bunch of posts on this. Are these the REP cards as are
used in AMASPZAP, or is this something different. For example:
VER 0012 AF21
REP 0012 2345
Eric Bielefeld
PH Mining Equipment
Eric,
Sometime in the past there was
At 15:51 -0700 on 04/18/2006, Ray Mullins wrote about Re: What's the
linkage editor really wants?:
Well, I just took some time to test REP using the documented format from
z/VSE.
And, alas, in z/OS, it doesn't work - neither with the binder nor the
linkage editor (HEWLKED).
Too bad, actually
At 16:49 -0700 on 04/18/2006, Ray Mullins wrote about Re: What's the
linkage editor really wants?:
I'm old enough to know what an 029 is. And an 026. I have memories of
punching card decks.
I was in college from 1964-1968 and our computer lab had 1620 a CPU
and 026 Card Punches. In my
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/13/2006
at 06:46 AM, Charles Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Load modules contain pretty much the same information as object
modules, optimized for quick loading into memory rather than
optimized for the 1968 link editor g.
The format of the object module was
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
04/14/2006
at 12:09 AM, Johnny Luo [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Can I get some suggestion about wich manual I should
resort to for the usage of 'binder' ?
Search for program management.
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ISO position; see
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
04/13/2006
at 04:46 PM, Johnny Luo [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Because I remember some books(for example,Murach's os/390 and z/os
JCL) say that LKED.SYSLIB should contain 'object module' ,not 'load
module'.
I don't remember a time when that was true, certainly not today.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/13/2006
at 06:08 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Doesn't one of the utilities use the linkage editor, under the
covers, in order to copy load modules because it's just so good at
it?
No, but IEBCOPY uses the BINDER to convert between load module and
program
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:21:19 -0300
is true is that SYSLIB should not contain a concatenation of object
and load libraries.
By experiment, this appears to be a restriction of the Linkage
Editor, but not of the Binder. z/OS 1.5.
Paul Gilmartin writes:
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:21:19 -0300
is true is that SYSLIB should not contain a concatenation of object
and load libraries.
By experiment, this appears to be a restriction of the Linkage
Editor,
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/17/2006
at 08:41 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
By experiment, this appears to be a restriction of the Linkage
Editor, but not of the Binder. z/OS 1.5.
Thanks.
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ISO position; see
In a recent note, john gilmore said:
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:53:45 +
By experiment, this appears to be a restriction of the Linkage
Editor, but not of the Binder. z/OS 1.5.
The operative distinction and restriction are not between object modules and
load modules (or
At 16:55 +0200 on 04/13/2006, Chris Mason wrote about Re: What's the
linkage editor really wants?:
One card type you won't find mentioned in the Assembler listing is RLD.
RLDs can appear in the Assembly listing (after the source listing and
only if you ask for it in your parms). If I
,
politicians have to put up with it all the time. g
Chris Mason
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Sent: Tuesday, 18 April, 2006 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants?
At 16:55 +0200
On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Chris Mason wrote:
Robert,
Quite right - total rubbish - I meant to say REP, of course, as can
be seen
from the context - and the fact that I specifically said that RLD
corresponds to what can be found in the Assembler listing in the
previous
paragraph - this
Hi,
I know this question looks a little silly.but recently I found myself a
little bewildered on this issue.And because it's about the basics,so I
raise it here.
I'm using Enterprise Cobol for Z/os and to make things simple,I'll
concentrate on batch Cobol program(no cics,no db2.).
the linkage editor really wants?
Hi,
I know this question looks a little silly.but recently I found myself
a
little bewildered on this issue.And because it's about the basics,so I
raise it here.
I'm using Enterprise Cobol for Z/os and to make things simple,I'll
concentrate on batch Cobol
In a recent note, Chris Mason said:
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:42:34 +0200
Note: I believe you can pass a load module through the linkage editor as
many times as you like and I was going to say you'll do it no harm but I
seem to remember you might lose the entry point address so it
Chris,
Thanks a lot.I remember you've helped me so many times in this list and
thanks again.
You said:
' I believe you can pass a load module through the linkage editor as
many times as you like and I was going to say you'll do it no harm but I
seem to remember you might lose the entry point
Of Johnny Luo
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants?
Chris,
Thanks a lot.I remember you've helped me so many times in this list and
thanks again.
You said:
' I believe you can pass a load module through the linkage
.
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Sent: Thursday, 13 April, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants?
Chris,
Thanks a lot.I remember you've helped me so many times in this list and
thanks
The notion that the Binder is a new, arcane and/or dubious piece of
technology is a curious one. It can pretend to be the Linkage Editor,
producing/outputting load modules; or, again, it can instead produce 'new
fangled' program objects.
Moreover, no effort to avoid putting load modules
because it's just so good at it?
Chris Mason
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The notion that the Binder is a new
ThanksI've learned so much from this topic.Frankly speaking,
I can not understand all of these at this time.But I'll save them
and in the future hope I can grasp more.
As for the 'binder' and 'linkage editor',it's a shock to me.I
thought they're the same thing.
Can I get some suggestion
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ThanksI've learned so much from this topic.Frankly speaking,
I can not understand all of these at this time.But I'll save them
As for the 'binder' and 'linkage editor',it's a shock to me.I
thought they're the same thing.
Can I get some suggestion about wich manual I should
resort to for the usage of 'binder' ? I know IEWL ,or HEWL,
is the alias of a same program and I use them everyday to
generate cobol load
Johnny Luo wrote:
ThanksI've learned so much from this topic.Frankly speaking,
I can not understand all of these at this time.But I'll save them
and in the future hope I can grasp more.
As for the 'binder' and 'linkage editor',it's a shock to me.I
thought they're the same thing.
Can I
In a recent note, john gilmore said:
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:26:11 +
The notion that the Binder is a new, arcane and/or dubious piece of
technology is a curious one. It can pretend to be the Linkage Editor,
With at least one exception. With Linkage Editor, I was accustomed
Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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From: Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants?
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
ad
I'm just putting the finishing touches on a new
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Steve,
Didn't you say in the last week or so that you haven't taught a class
for ages, and you were giving up? At least that's the impression I got
(But then my memory is getting worse than the old core storage). So you
are still teaching and developing courses?
Eric
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