I generally agree with you on this. But companies are in business to
maximize profit. Unfortunately, especially today, they are more attuned to
the short time span. Like "day traders". Of course, this is also due to
investors who want an immediate return. This is the "microwave" generation.
--
J
the earthquake remediation retrofit of bldg 14,
>enginneering was moved temporarily offsite "bldg 86")
>http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk
>
>checking online sat. photos show bldgs 14&15 still standing ...
>but many of the ones around it are gone
>
>misc. past
eering was moved temporarily offsite "bldg 86")
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk
checking online sat. photos show bldgs 14&15 still standing ...
but many of the ones around it are gone
misc. past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#62 When w
On 10/22/2010 3:29 AM, R.S. wrote:
Well... Since we talk about FBA drives, then reliationship to
3390 track size is simply irrelevant.
I don't know what google searching results you've seen, but IMHO
no consideration applies to FBA, especially because most OS'es
does not address single sector, th
On 10/22/2010 7:54 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:
A single 512 byte block on a 3390 uses less than 1% of the 56,664
byte capacity of the track.
At 512 bytes, 49 blocks will fit on a 3390 track, utilizing 44% of the
track capacity.
Sometimes making oneself look foolish has good consequences. The
prog
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:54:24 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:52:00 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
>
>>block size of 512 uses less than 1% of a track on a 3390. 4K
>>uses 86%, which is tolerable.
>
>A single 512 byte block on a 3390 uses less than 1% of the 56,664
>byte capaci
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:52:00 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
>block size of 512 uses less than 1% of a track on a 3390. 4K
>uses 86%, which is tolerable.
A single 512 byte block on a 3390 uses less than 1% of the 56,664
byte capacity of the track.
Twelve 4096 byte blocks (the most that will f
Gerhard Postpischil pisze:
On 10/22/2010 2:24 AM, R.S. wrote:
Reasons:
- 4096 is only 8 times more than 20+ years old 512. Although
single disk capacity does not grow so rapidly as it was few
years ago, but it will grow. So, 4k could become too small as
512B became.
Sometimes bigger is better.
On 10/22/2010 2:24 AM, R.S. wrote:
Reasons:
- 4096 is only 8 times more than 20+ years old 512. Although
single disk capacity does not grow so rapidly as it was few
years ago, but it will grow. So, 4k could become too small as
512B became.
Sometimes bigger is better. I haven't seen anyone menti
Ron Hawkins pisze:
I expect FBA4096 will be the way of the future if we want to make all this
cheap DASD more reliable with less space overhead for ECC.
IMHO it will be FBA_various_numbers, that means FB4096 or FBA16k or
whatever.
Reasons:
- 4096 is only 8 times more than 20+ years old 512. A
sday, October 20, 2010 4:47 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> from today
>
> Western Digital Launches First 3TB Hard Drive
>
http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/portable/showArticle.jhtml?artic
le
>
from today
Western Digital Launches First 3TB Hard Drive
http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/portable/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227900320&itc=ref-true
mentions that it is a FBA4096 drive (rather than FBA512 that has been
standard for so long) & suggested retail is $239, $74/tbyte (2.5TB
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 11:27 AM
--SNIP---
a simple example of the orientation was that the advanced wor
l...@garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) writes:
> switch to PC). the mid-80s, PC and workstations were getting
> sophisticated enough that they were becoming there own network nodes as
> part of distributed computing ... except with heavy mainframe
> datacenters (both internally and with customers) .
ade up for any inconvenience.
???
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#62 When will MVS be able to use cheap
dasd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#65 When will MVS be able to use cheap
dasd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#75 When will MVS be able to use cheap
dasd
http://ww
--- On Sun, 10/17/10, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
Lynn:
Somewhere in the mid to late 70's I was given access to a MVS system that ran
somew where in IBM (possibly west coast but who knew or cared). The purpose of
the access was to see if TSO session manager gave us hardcopy for TSO. We had
quit
gt;
> Might it be that there's no practical way to attach those commodity
> disks to a z?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#62 When will MVS be able to use cheap
dasd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#65 When will MVS be able to use cheap
dasd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn
Gil,
It's called SCSI over Fibre Channel. It's the same way they hook up UNIX and
Windows, but I think you know that.
>
> Might it be that there's no practical way to attach those commodity
> disks to a z?
>
[Ron Hawkins]
You should be able to hook up any brand-x mid-range platform that provi
On 16 Oct 2010 08:24:57 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>There was a message thread on Slashdot.org a couple of years ago regarding
>Google's infrastructure. I chimed in with your exact same comment that Google
>should take a serious look at zLinux. As expected my mainframe bias didn'
ark Jacobs
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Sat 10/16/2010 9:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:22:18 -0400, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>
>post from similar thre
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:22:18 -0400, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>
>post from similar thread in this n.g. from 2007
>http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#13 Question on DASD Hardware
>
>with references to commodity disk having MTBF in the million-plus hrs
>and google's (then) recently published stu
9:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I think that sig is meant in jest.
Of course it is!
If people are taking it seriously ...
-
I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor mot
Ted,
>
> Total cost of acquisition.
>
[Ron Hawkins]
Touché, I think I may have heard that expression before, but not with
customers I have worked for and with.
>
> And, then what did your comment mean, about my e-mail address?
>
[Ron Hawkins]
Geez Ted, what comment are you talking about? I
Dave,
>
> I don't recall stating what I believe. I fully understand there has to be
> markup.
> I believe I've also stated that I don't know how much it should be. I
don't
> know what's reasonable. I've just related the revelation of discovering
what
> retail is on the commodity compared to wha
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Pommier, Rex R.
wrote:
> XIV supporting z/OS roadmap? Can you point me at something official that
> says this? I would like to look at the XIV but I was told by our VAR that
> XIV supporting FICON and (emulated) CKD isn't in the works.
>
> I for one would love
.
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>> I
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:11:33 -0500, Chase, John wrote:
>>
>> SEAGATE ST3500320NS465.76 GiB
>
>CDW's website says: "This product was discontinued as of Wednesday,
>July 21, 2010. Call for availability."
>
>Their price: $95.99.
>
Now what are we going to do ?!?!?!?!?!
;)
---
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:21:16 -0700, Ron Hawkins wrote:
>I really struggle with the fact that you think that the cost of goods for a
>disk drive assembly includes the disk drive and nothing else. Would you
>argue with David Bowie or Amazon about the price you pay for a CD that you
>can buy at Fry's
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#62 When will MVS be able to use cheap
dasd
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#65 When will MVS be able to use cheap
dasd
post from similar thread in this n.g. from 2007
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#13 Question on DASD Hardware
with
At 10/8/2010 03:35 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
--
My 2 cents worth: the "cheap DASD" doesn't live up to the
reliability standards that IBM demands for z/OS. Stop and think,
really hard, about the demands on z/OS DASD storage, as o
frame Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Mike Schwab
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>> Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
>
> To answer your sig's quest
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:46 AM, McKown, John
wrote:
<>
>> --
>> Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
>> Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
>
> I do have permission from my manager to post via my work account. But you
> have a very good point. I just got a new gmail account for my p
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:29 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
> Notice: This ema
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:11 AM, McKown, John
wrote:
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant
>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:58 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subje
On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I think that sig is meant in jest.
Of course it is!
If people are taking it seriously ...
-
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Kimota!
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Of course it is!
If people are taking it seriously ...
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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:58 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> That's cor
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:17:04 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>And, then what did your comment mean, about my e-mail address?
He didn't say anything about your email address. What he wrote, and
what you quoted was, "Based on your email do you think" The
question was in regards to the email __mess
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:11:33 -0500, Chase, John wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke
>>
>> Google a price for this:
>>
>> SEAGATE ST3500320NS465.76 GiB
>
>CDW's website says: "This product was discontinued as of Wednesday,
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke
>
> [ snip ]
> >
> >As for the original question, I'll quote the OP: "His question was
why can't
> >mvs use scsi or san dasd, VSE and VM can." That does not look like a
price
> >gouging claim to me. I be
>> He was talking about TCA.
[Ron Hawkins]
> He was talking about True Copy Asynch? I don't get the connection.
Total cost of acquisition.
>>Just because I'm using a non-company e-mail, maybe because they do not
want
>Ms people to appear to be their spokespeople, does not invalidate my
response.
Ted,
>
> He was talking about TCA.
[Ron Hawkins]
He was talking about True Copy Asynch? I don't get the connection.
>
>
> I don't understand your comment!
[Ron Hawkins]
I can't fix that, but read on anyway.
> Just because I'm using a non-company e-mail, maybe because they do not
want
> peop
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of
> Dave Kopischke
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:58 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:19:57 -0700, Ron Hawkins w
>Yes, I re-read your post and I'll bet my (eye) balls he was talking about
>something other than the hardware.
He was talking about TCA.
>Based on your email do you think that perhaps this is not really your
>experience at all?
I don't understand your comment!
Just because I'm using a non-co
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:19:57 -0700, Ron Hawkins wrote:
>
>I'd like to know if the Seagate or Hitachi drive from Fry's includes an
>account SE, a CE to install it, phone home monitoring, non-disruptive
>replacement, a dynamic spare, FC or SAS active/active dual ports, and
access
>to a guy like me w
t
SCIDS or similar.
Ron
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of
> Ted MacNEIL
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:50 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
&
>There are some parts of this thread that imply that there is a separate price
>list for Mainframe and Open Systems formatted storage, and it's my
experience that this is not so.
Unfortunately, my experience is the opposite.
And, I quoted a Storage Manager from a large Canadian Bank, who has expe
to:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of
> Ron Hawkins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> Mike,
>
> That's because you have to pay for or configure multi-path suppo
Dave,
I don't have to Google it, because I know the drive in a cardboard box at
Fry's will cost less than the Disk Drive FRU, when it goes into an
Enterprise Storage box.
I'd like to know if the Seagate or Hitachi drive from Fry's includes an
account SE, a CE to install it, phone home monitoring,
Radoslaw,
I agree with you 110% on the last point, and I believe you say in an earlier
thread that you are doing just that.
It would have been a shame if our virtualization was a one vendor party.
I've been lucky enough to see customers virtualize everything from old HDS
Thunders, EMC midrange,
frame Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of
> Mike Schwab
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:28 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> We have a ESS F20 box bought about 1999. We have had some r
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:35 -0700, Ron Hawkins wrote:
>
>While I have not worked in the field since mid 2007, my experience is that
>your claim is not true. At that time a can of disk drives with USP written
>on the side cost the same whether you formatted the array groups for CKD or
>FBA volumes
W dniu 2010-10-13 22:10, Ron Hawkins pisze:
Radoslaw,
I don't believe the statement is correct, nor do I agree this was the OP's
question.
While I have not worked in the field since mid 2007, my experience is that
your claim is not true. At that time a can of disk drives with USP written
on the
We have a ESS F20 box bought about 1999. We have had some repeated
NVS failures on it, when the mainframe was configured to block the
failing cluster, it continued to work. We moved off of it and
configured it for open systems. AIX boxes with 1 FC card. When it
went down, the AIX box was down t
Radoslaw,
I don't believe the statement is correct, nor do I agree this was the OP's
question.
While I have not worked in the field since mid 2007, my experience is that
your claim is not true. At that time a can of disk drives with USP written
on the side cost the same whether you formatted the
W dniu 2010-10-13 00:03, Mike Schwab pisze:
I was thinking of the evaluation z/VM disk, download to a z/VM disk an
IPLable tape image SA-ICKDSF and SA-ADRDSSU volume backups of a
Starter System, so after the restore you can IPL from z/OS started
disk and install SMPE etc.
Actually the activity
W dniu 2010-10-13 03:05, Ron Hawkins pisze:
[...]
The difference between the cost of midrange and enterprise storage has
little to do with end-to-end data protection, because it's all SCSI, SAS and
SATA once your write leaves the FICON channel on Enterprise. It has much
more to do with survivabi
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:12:56 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
>>
>>Without first having some z/OS base system? No. You cannot install z/OS
>>without z/OS. ...
>>
> If this is literally true, it bodes ill for the future of z/OS.
> There can never
>While we will of course work with anyone to get them going if necessary,
>and although we do have this capability to a very limited degree today,
>the DVD support for the Customized Offerings Driver that will make this
>function available to everyone is not planned to be generally available
>until
24 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Chase, John wrote:
>
> From: Chase, John
> Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Date: Tuesday, October 12
r 12, 2010 8:16 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Timothy Sipples wrote:
> --SNIP
> May I also point out that tape is no longer required
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:12:56 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
>
>Without first having some z/OS base system? No. You cannot install z/OS
>without z/OS. ...
>
If this is literally true, it bodes ill for the future of z/OS.
There can never be any new installations and z/OS is doomed to
die by attrition.
20:12, McKown, John pisze:
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>>> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:18 PM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
W dniu 2010-10-12 20:12, McKown, John pisze:
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
You can&#
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, Chase, John wrote:
From: Chase, John
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 12:32 PM
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
>
> You c
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:18 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> You can'
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
>
> You can't install z/VM from DVD then download and install MVS?
That might require the purchase of a z/VM license. Not all z/OS shops
run z/VM.
-jc-
--
ctober 12, 2010 9:25 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:11:05 -0400, John Eells wrote:
>>
>> >Timothy Sipples wrote:
>> >
>> >> May I also point out that tape is
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, Timothy Sipples wrote:
--SNIP
May I also point out that tape is no longer required to load z/OS. Thus it
is now possible to configure and use a new mainframe with z/OS but without
any tape drives.
(*) Except I don't speak for I
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:25 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:11:05 -0400, John Eells wrote:
>Timothy Sipples wrote:
>
>> May I also point out that tape is no longer required to load z/OS. Thus it
>> is now possible to configure and use a new mainframe with z/OS but without
>> any tape drives.
>
>
Installing from the optical drive in t
Timothy Sipples wrote:
May I also point out that tape is no longer required to load z/OS. Thus it
is now possible to configure and use a new mainframe with z/OS but without
any tape drives.
While we will of course work with anyone to get them going if necessary,
and although we do have this
IBM is saying(*) that, at least in many use cases, the DS8800 is more
affordable than its predecessors. How much more affordable? "It depends."
May I also point out that tape is no longer required to load z/OS. Thus it
is now possible to configure and use a new mainframe with z/OS but without
any
Timothy Sipples pisze:
IBM just announced the DS8800 which uses 2.5 inch drives and is more
economical on multiple fronts.
IBM also claims that usage of "commodity" parts inside DS8k makes it
cheaper.
SO WHAT? The prices I see in RFPs are not competitive. I bet another
"economical" DS8800 wil
IBM just announced the DS8800 which uses 2.5 inch drives and is more
economical on multiple fronts.
But it's also well worth mentioning that, for a particular
end-user-delivered service, on average you'll use considerably fewer
gigabytes/terabytes for a z/OS-based solution than for something else.
In <4caf6b2a.3070...@mentor-services.com>, on 10/08/2010
at 03:04 PM, Mike Myers said:
>I'm trying to make sense of the USING NUCON,R0 statement, since R0 is
> not used by the hardware to develop a virtual address.
Correct. The statement lets you use a DSECT for the PSA.
--
Shmuel (Se
On 8 Oct 2010 14:07:36 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>>My 2 cents worth: the "cheap DASD" doesn't live up to the reliability
>>standards that IBM demands for z/OS.
>
>I was discussing this with a Storage Manager at a large Canadian Bank.
>
>His biggest complaint was that the same DA
W dniu 2010-10-08 23:07, Ted MacNEIL pisze:
My 2 cents worth: the "cheap DASD" doesn't live up to the reliability standards
that IBM demands for z/OS.
I was discussing this with a Storage Manager at a large Canadian Bank.
His biggest complaint was that the same DASD cost more if he used it un
Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of
> Rick Fochtman
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 12:36 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] When will MVS be able to use cheap dasd
>
>
-:
&g
>My 2 cents worth: the "cheap DASD" doesn't live up to the reliability
>standards that IBM demands for z/OS.
I was discussing this with a Storage Manager at a large Canadian Bank.
His biggest complaint was that the same DASD cost more if he used it under z/OS
than the case under LINUX/AIX/UNIX
price tag.
Rex
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Rick Fochtman
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 2:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: When will MVS be able to
W dniu 2010-10-08 21:35, Rick Fochtman pisze:
[...]
My 2 cents worth: the "cheap DASD" doesn't live up to the reliability
standards that IBM demands for z/OS.
Agreed, however expensive is not equal to good.
Stop and think, really hard, about
the demands on z/OS DASD storage, as opposed to the
rfocht...@ync.net (Rick Fochtman) writes:
> My 2 cents worth: the "cheap DASD" doesn't live up to the reliability
> standards that IBM demands for z/OS. Stop and think, really hard,
> about the demands on z/OS DASD storage, as opposed to the "standards"
> you enjoy with your PC DASD. How many of yo
-:
A colleague and I were talking as we feel the powers to be are looking
at "options other than the mainframe". The talk went to dollars and cents I
stated the price of a z box has dropped big(for our size shop) but the cost o
Gil:
Well, it's been a long time and I don't remember any NUCON issue.
SIE made it possible to assign the virtual origin of a space within the
TSO address space and have it represent absolute zero to the guest system.
At the time we were running on MVS/ESA but implementing 24-bit CMS, so
we
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:23:38 -0500, Larry Macioce wrote:
>A colleague and I were talking as we feel the powers to be are looking
>at "options other than the mainframe". The talk went to dollars and cents I
>stated the price of a z box has dropped big(for our size shop) but the cost of
>purchasing d
Yes, that would all matter a lot...of course, they had the source
code, and maybe used R17?
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:00:20 -0400, Mike Myers wrote:
>>
>>Back around 1982 I was working for IBM in the Poughkeepsie, NY lab. Four
>>of us did a pro
m...@mentor-services.com (Mike Myers) writes:
> John:
>
> Interesting that you should mention the CMS file system and MVS.
>
> Back around 1982 I was working for IBM in the Poughkeepsie, NY
> lab. Four of us did a prototype which ran CMS in a TSO address space
> under SIE.
I did a coporate advanc
Larry Macioce pisze:
A colleague and I were talking as we feel the powers to be are looking
at "options other than the mainframe". The talk went to dollars and cents I
stated the price of a z box has dropped big(for our size shop) but the cost of
purchasing dasd is still high along with maint.
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:00:20 -0400, Mike Myers wrote:
>
>Back around 1982 I was working for IBM in the Poughkeepsie, NY lab. Four
>of us did a prototype which ran CMS in a TSO address space under SIE.
>
>Our project to implement CMS in TSO as a real product was killed during
>the nearly completed st
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We have been using (relatively) cheap SATA disks connected to our Hitachi
USP.
IBM says that XIV for z/
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A colleague and I were talking as we feel the powers to be
are looking
at "options other than the mai
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Mark Pace
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John, you do NOT want ICCF on z/OS. ICCF, IMHO, one of the worst editors
ever.
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> > A colleague and I were talking as we feel the powers to be
> > are looking
> > at "options other than the mainframe". The ta
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> A colleague and I wer
We have been using (relatively) cheap SATA disks connected to our Hitachi
USP.
IBM says that XIV for z/OS is on the road map. I do not know when this will
happen.
Mike
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Larry Macioce wrote:
> A colleague and I were talking as we feel the powers to be are looking
>
A colleague and I were talking as we feel the powers to be are looking
at "options other than the mainframe". The talk went to dollars and cents I
stated the price of a z box has dropped big(for our size shop) but the cost of
purchasing dasd is still high along with maint.
His question was why c
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