In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/16/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>You deliberately chopped my message to make it look like an error.
You're lying.
>Name one OS that does not allow you to display the contents of a
>file to your screen,
Why? I didn't say that there was
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/16/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>Are you drunk,
>That's it!
>When you cannot tackle the argument, tackle the arguer.
Humor is such a subtle thing! Youi failed to note that you had just
done the same thing to me.
>That is one of the
ibm-main
To:
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Subject: Re: Fw: Anquish of JCL (Was: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)
> >Are you drunk,
>
> That's it!
>
> When you cannot tackle the argument, tackle the arguer.
>
> That is one of the most insulting comments I
>Are you drunk,
That's it!
When you cannot tackle the argument, tackle the arguer.
That is one of the most insulting comments I have ever heard from a so-called
professional.
You obviously did not want to see my point.
Not everybody is as learned and professional as you, Seymour.
Not everybo
>>My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
>Your point is in error.
You deliberately chopped my message to make it look like an error.
Name one OS that does not allow you to display the contents of a file to your
screen, and also is a productive OS.
>>I was told that LIST was an invalid
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/12/2006
at 03:25 PM, Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>What's the name of the TSO add-on product that includes COPY?
TSO Data Set Utilities: COPY, FORMAT, LIST and MERGE
>It's not in the bibliography of the TSO commands manual under
>related publications
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/13/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Excuse me?
>List/type/cat displays a file to the STDOUT.
Neither list nor type are cat, and cat does *not* display a file; it
copies a sequence of files to STDOUT.
>Are you saying that that is an incorre
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
04/13/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
Your point is in error.
>I was told that LIST was an invalid description of what the command
>did. What word would you pick?
For cat? Catenate. That's wha
Charles Mills wrote:
Gee, how hard could it be to write COPY 'DSN1' 'DSN2' in Rexx? I suppose the
"entire PDS" would be a little tricky. I'd leave out the bug-prone numbering
options. What does LRECL/RECFM do? Let you re-block if you are creating an
entire dataset?
Way back in 1969, I wrot
McKown, John said:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Tsujimoto
>>
>> On a few of our unix boxes, we actually have ISPF installed for a few
>> crippled mainframers who have to do work on unix. Personally, I feel
>>
R.S. said:
> Darren Evans-Young wrote:
> [...]
>> vi used to be the only editor included on standard Unix installations.
>> Now, the vendors include other editors. However, if you have to boot from
>> the CD to recover a system in single user mode, vi is usually the only
>> editor available. You be
Ted MacNEIL said:
>>However it's reason
>>d'etre is indicated by its name, short for catenate. It's purpose is to take
multiple files and catenate all the input into a single output stream.
>
> And, catenate is intuitive?
To a certain degree it is. Just like it's obvious to you that when you inc
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Of Alan C. Field
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Yes - I finally get a PC at work that can read DVD's.
I can read the first documentation DVD,
Yes - I finally get a PC at work that can read DVD's.
I can read the first documentation DVD, then IBM starts producing them on
the
higher density DVDs and I can't read them again, :(
Even two DVDs would be better than 8 CDs.
> IBM also puts most of this information on CDs
Every (nearly e
OS/MVT and OS/VS2 TSO Data Utilities: COPY, FORMAT, LIST,MERGE User's
Guide and Reference.
SC28-6765-4 - March 1974. 66 pages
Program Product 5734-UT1
Where's TSO COPY documented? I just got to wondering idly how hard it
would
be to write a clone or semi-clone (without the bugs, or at least
Charles Mills wrote:
Gee, how hard could it be to write COPY 'DSN1' 'DSN2' in Rexx? I suppose the
"entire PDS" would be a little tricky. I'd leave out the bug-prone numbering
options. What does LRECL/RECFM do? Let you re-block if you are creating an
entire dataset? ASCII? I probably skip that als
On 4/12/06, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
> I was told that LIST was an invalid description of what the command did.
> What word would you pick?
I would use
grep '.*'
or perhaps
awk '{print}'
or you could even just use
dd
and leave
>However it's reason
d'etre is indicated by its name, short for catenate. It's purpose is
to take multiple files and catenate all the input into a single output
stream.
And, catenate is intuitive?
My point was that all OS's have a LIST command.
I was told that LIST was an invalid description of
On 4/12/06, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excuse me?
> List/type/cat displays a file to the STDOUT.
>
> Are you saying that that is an incorrect statement?
Most UNIX comands display their output to STDOUT. The normal behavior
of "cat" is to print its *output* to STDOUT. However it's r
IIRC the proper name is TSO Command Utilities (5734-???)
25+ years ago bits are starting to drop.
Ed
On Apr 12, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
Where's TSO COPY documented? I just got to wondering idly how hard
it would
be to write a clone or semi-clone (without the bugs, or at least
>Print is usually synonymous with list in DP circles, and since the statement
>is wrong either way, ...
Excuse me?
List/type/cat displays a file to the STDOUT.
Are you saying that that is an incorrect statement?
Are we arguing semantics?
What word would you like to use to say:
"Take the conte
of February 19, 1997)"
Chris Mason
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To:
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> From the TSO HELP members:
>
> COPY
>
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> Of Ray Mullins
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>
>
> Try to find a copy of "TSO Data Utilities: COPY, FORMAT, LIST, MERGE
User's
> Guide and R
sage-
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>From the TSO HELP members:
COPY
)F FUNCTION-
THE COPY COMMAND IS USED TO DUPLIC
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Try to find a copy of "TSO Data Utilities: COPY, FORMAT, LIST, MERGE User's
Guide and Reference ". I haven't looked, but I went to OS/390 V2R4 and did
a search in the TSO bookshelf, and found that hit.
Check the
nager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
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03:31:17 PM:
> Try to find a copy of "TSO Data Utilities: COPY, FORMAT, LIST, MERGE
User's
> Guide and Reference ". I haven't looked, but I went to OS/390 V2R4 a
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Mills
> Sent: Wednesday April 12 2006 15:26
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> Subject: Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS
>
> Where's TSO COPY documented? I
Where's TSO COPY documented? I just got to wondering idly how hard it would
be to write a clone or semi-clone (without the bugs, or at least with new
and better bugs) in Rexx. It's not in the TSO commands manual (okay, it's
not a TSO command). I don't see any likely manual in the TSO bookshelf.
Wha
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> Sent: Wednesday April 12 2006 13:27
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> Subject: Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS
>
> In <[EMAIL
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/11/2006
at 07:52 PM, Ed Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Never heard of ASI.. is that like Palm Beach computing?
West Palm Beach. They're the outfit that used to sell an extremely
simple, but useful, piece of hardware called FileGard.
>The copy command would have
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
04/12/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I originally said:
>"cat -- list ..."
Okay, then list is not what it does.
>Where was the word PRINT?
Print is usually synonymous with list in DP circles, and since the
statement is wrong either way, .
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/12/2006
at 04:39 PM, "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Presonally I prefer ed, because I can work with it.
vi includes ed.
>I cannot use vi. I use computers for years, people say, I'm not
>idiot.
I would be the last person to defend vi[1], but an awful lot of p
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: Fw: Anquish of JCL (Was: Migrating me from
> linux/bsd to zOS)
&g
On a few of our unix boxes, we actually have ISPF installed for a few
crippled mainframers who have to do work on unix. Personally, I feel
*when in Rome, ...*
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Darren Evans-Young wrote:
[...]
vi used to be the only editor included on standard Unix installations.
Now, the vendors include other editors. However, if you have to boot from
the CD to recover a system in single user mode, vi is usually the only
editor available. You better know if you need to
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
>Other than being line mode, TSO EDIT is a *lot* more user friendly
>than vi. But if you're working on multiple Unix systems, it's useful
>to know an editor that will always be there.
>
>Then there are the people who actually like the thing. De
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On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 10:10 -0400, Ed Finnell wrote:
> pronounce it "vile&qu
On 9 Apr 2006 12:40:06 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Gilmartin) wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:43:35 -0500, Sebastian Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:13:43 -0400, Aaron Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
>> >reasonably competent with Perl, and I ha
>Print is *not* what it does.
These arguments would be more interesting if you read my post(s).
I originally said:
"cat -- list ..."
Where was the word PRINT?
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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/12/2006
at 08:14 AM, Shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I place it right up there with the TSO line mode edit command - when
>you have a *really* broken install, you need a tool of last resort.
Other than being line mode, TSO EDIT is a *lot* more user friendly
than
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/11/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I was giving 'reasonable' substitutes, ie: what it does.
Print is *not* what it does. It catenates its inputs into standard
output, and in this case standard output was a pipe. The function of
that cat wa
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/11/2006
at 11:55 AM, Cathy Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Aaron, I don't post here often, but I want you to know that z/OS
>Sysprogging is not a world of men with grey beards and hairy chests.
> Although we are definitely in the minority, there are plenty of
>
On Apr 11, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/09/2006
at 10:13 PM, Ed Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
If there were more requests IBM would maybe consider it and then
reject it. Remember TSO is almost dead and IBM will not be putting
any energy i
>Both SNA and TCP have provisions for resending lost packets
Maybe.
But, in our current z/OS 1.4 implementation it's not there!
We are delaying our conversion from SNA to TCP/IP because the lost packets are
not being resent.
There is a definite issue on how OSA is handling new data when the rece
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/10/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Comparing JCL to *NIX commands?
>What about TSO commands:
>copy old.file new.file
COPY is not part of TSO, it's part of TSO Data Set Utilities: COPY,
FORMAT, LIST and MERGE, which went class C in the 19
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/09/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Minor details of implementation are not fundamental differences.
Major differences in design are not minor differences in
implementation.
>That kind of attitude
What kind of attitude? The attitude that
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/09/2006
at 08:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>... I thought "COPY" was obsolete; ancient history.
TSO Data Set Utilities: COPY, FORMAT, LIST and MERGE went class C back
in the SVS days, and the final PTF's didn't even fix the problems they
were su
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/09/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>As a mainframe bigot, //FILE DD DSN=X,DISP=SHR
>still makes more sense than:
>ls -l | cat | grep uid | wc -c
Indeed, but only because the car serves no purpose and the two do
unrelated tasks.
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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/09/2006
at 10:13 PM, Ed Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>If there were more requests IBM would maybe consider it and then
>reject it. Remember TSO is almost dead and IBM will not be putting
>any energy into a (almost) dead system.
Even if IBM were to start dev
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 10:10 -0400, Ed Finnell wrote:
> pronounce it "vile". Some people swear by vi, others swear at it ;-)
>
> >>
> Think even Bill Joy(the author) was quoted as saying. "Can't believe anybody
> still uses it." But it's on every Unix system.
> If you've ever met him, he's got
11:10 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS : IBM-MAIN Digest - 7 Apr 2006
to 8 Apr 2006 (#2006-98)
Reply for a new SYSPROG.
I was introduced to z/OS in a similar manner not too long ago. There a
ton of free "REDBOOKS" available from IBM websites, as w
Behalf
>Of Ed Gould
>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:37 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anquish of JCL (Was: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)
>
>On Apr 11, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> Why do you keep saying TSO is dead. I
On Apr 11, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
- SNIP--
How _do_ you do that in JCL -- enumerate files (I'll accept
either data set names or PDS members) matching a certain pattern
and produce as output a single summary line reflecting the
size of the list.
On Apr 11, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Ed,
Why do you keep saying TSO is dead. IBM hasn't announced any
replacement. Most programmers, sysprogs, and operators use TSO every
day in their work. If TSO is dead, what's going to replace it?
Eric,
This has been discussed here on t
I thought I'd already gotten my 2 cents in ,but I missed a halfpenny.
Of certain importance would be:
"z/OS MVS System Commands" manual.
"JES2 commands manual"
- (really, more system commands, Job Entry Subsystem) possibly JES3??
"DFSMS/MVS Utilites"
- (how to copy a file etc.)
And drum r
e Comstock
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Pope, Lynette wrote:
> Ray,
>
> I'm sure that you'll hear from them. Just remember that SHARE is a
> user-run organization. The volu
Pope, Lynette wrote:
Ray,
I'm sure that you'll hear from them. Just remember that SHARE is a
user-run organization. The volunteers that work on zNextGen are just
working stiffs and peons, just like you and me We all have to do
the paying work first to keep the lights on.
Regards,
Lynett
that helps some.
Kevin
========
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:13:43 -0400
From:Aaron Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS
My career so far has looked mostly like so:
Long John Silver's cook
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I hope so, Bob.
I heard that zNextGen went over well at Sea
April 11 2006 10:35
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Since Skip Robinson and Brian Peterson both subscribe to
IBM-MAIN, I'm sure you will hear from them. It looked to me
like zNextGen was off to a good start.
Me too. Haven't hea
ril 11 2006 10:35
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> Subject: Re: zNextGen (was RE: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS
>
> Since Skip Robinson and Brian Peterson both subscribe to
> IBM-MAIN, I'm sure you will hear from them. It looked to me
&g
Since Skip Robinson and Brian Peterson both subscribe to IBM-MAIN, I'm
sure you will hear from them. It looked to me like zNextGen was off to a
good start.
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Taddei
> Sent: Tuesday April 11 2006 09:55
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS
>
> Aaron, I don't post here often, but I want you to know that
> z/OS Sysprogging is not
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT
>
> >No. Cat is catenate.
>
> Catenate doesn't mean anything to the uninitiated.
>
Whereas "IEBGENER" is intuitively obvious? Get real! "Catenate"
at least appears in a collegiate level English dictionary;
it co
I resemble that remark!!!
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and the hair in your nose always stick out!
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/11/2006 12:55:10 PM >>>
Aaron, I don't post here often, but I want you to know that z/OS
Sysprogging is not a world of men with grey beards and
Aaron, I don't post here often, but I want you to know that z/OS
Sysprogging is not a world of men with grey beards and hairy chests.
Although we are definitely in the minority, there are plenty of female
expert sysprogs, and I have had the good fortune of working with several of
them. On the
>No. Cat is catenate.
Catenate doesn't mean anything to the uninitiated.
I was giving 'reasonable' substitutes, ie: what it does.
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- Original Message -
From: Ed Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:26 pm
Subject: Re: Anquish of JCL (Was: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
< Things change. Like it or
> not TSO is pretty much dead (or close
In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:59:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
pronounce it "vile". Some people swear by vi, others swear at it ;-)
>>
Think even Bill Joy(the author) was quoted as saying. "Can't believe anybody
still uses it." But it's on every Unix system.
I
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
on 04/10/2006
at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>But, my point has been since I was first introduced to UNIX in 1976,
>that a lot of UNIX is not intuitive.
True, but it's not as cryptic as you make out.
>cat -- list
No. Cat is catenate. It's no more "
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/10/2006
at 12:30 AM, Wade Curry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>//FILE DD DSN=X,DISP=SHR
> says only that whatever PGM you're running needs an input file
>with the ddname/file descriptor name of FILE. the name of the
>dataset is X, and it won't use it exclusively.
When comparing Unix command sequences to sequences of JCL steps
one aspect usually gets too few attention IMO: the value of
protocols/listings and the ease of finding them. Try to modify a
Unix command sequence (like the one Ted gave in his example and -
please, folks - try to grasp the essence of
On Apr 10, 2006, at 9:18 PM, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote:
-SNIP---
I guess it depends on how you look at it. To me the above line is
4 steps and 4 steps of JCL call 4 programs. I don't really see a
big different although in JCL it does take more statments.
A o
Wade Curry wrote:
< SNIP ->
ls -l | cat | grep uid | wc -c
OTOH actually calls four programs and does something that would
require 4 steps in JCL to do. (assuming you included the useless
parts that are present in this command you created). The command
also automatically opens all t
It seems IBM could do a lot to improve the value of base z/OS by
including BatchPipes
http://www.jpaulmorrison.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BatchPipes in base z/OS.
This would make it easer for people to port a process from those other
operating systems to z/OS even if batch is used on z/OS. It would reduce
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From: Bob Shannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS
>What might be some good orientation reading for me?
Welcome aboard. I suggest the z
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
> ... You might try learning MVS concepts
> and facilities with Rexx before resigning yourself to the
> anguish of JCL. I'm sure other readers of this list will
> accuse me of heresy and insist you
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Skip Robinson
>
> [ snip ]
> Well, you're probably entitled to a Circuitous Route prize,
> but I bet you'd have to split it with some of those geezers
> you're (thank god) finally replacing.
Air Traffic Controller
>
Subject: Re: Anquish of JCL (Was: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)
>And you actually
had to string several of them together just to try to make it look
"scary".
Maybe I went overboard.
But, my point has been since I was first introduced to UNIX in 1976, that a lot
of UNIX is not intu
Ted MacNEIL([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 12:00:00AM +:
> >anguish of JCL.
>
> As a mainframe bigot, //FILE DD DSN=X,DISP=SHR
>
> still makes more sense than:
>
> ls -l | cat | grep uid | wc -c
>
I came from an open-source background like the poster who asked the
original questio
In a recent note, Ed Gould said:
> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:13:44 -0500
>
> On Apr 10, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
> > copy old.file new.file
>
> True but the good old TSO command is not supported anymore (if it
> ever was). I am not sure you can even order it from IBM.
>
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On 8 Apr 200
On Apr 9, 2006, at 9:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote
---SNIP-
//STEP EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,DYNAMNBR=whatever
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=(,)
//SYSTSIN DD *
copy old.file new.file
Agreed, a sight improvement. But I tried it and got:
C
On Apr 10, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
cp old.file new.file
Comparing JCL to *NIX commands?
What about TSO commands:
copy old.file new.file
That's a fairer comparison.
Ted:
True but the good old TSO command is not supported anymore (if it
ever was). I am not sure you can
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT
>
> > cp old.file new.file
>
> Comparing JCL to *NIX commands?
>
> What about TSO commands:
>
> copy old.file new.file
>
> That's a fairer comparison.
>
I believe the topic was JCL. (At least those were th
> cp old.file new.file
Comparing JCL to *NIX commands?
What about TSO commands:
copy old.file new.file
That's a fairer comparison.
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On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
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But here's my favorite:
cp old.file new.file
Versus:
//NAME JOB stuff,stuff,more-stuff
//STEP EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SY
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Accidents happen. At the IP layer, yes, packets can be dropped.
>
> I can re-create a situation, using scripts for a terminal emulator, where
> packets are always goi
> ng to be dropped (and not recovered).
> I can even
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >anguish of JCL.
>
> As a mainframe bigot, //FILE DD DSN=X,DISP=SHR
>
> still makes more sense than:
>
> ls -l | cat | grep uid | wc -c
>
o The "cat" is superflous; added presumably only to cast the UNIX
command structure
>anguish of JCL.
As a mainframe bigot, //FILE DD DSN=X,DISP=SHR
still makes more sense than:
ls -l | cat | grep uid | wc -c
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On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:43:35 -0500, Sebastian Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:13:43 -0400, Aaron Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
> >reasonably competent with Perl, and I have looked over some C, although
>
> Thats a good start and to really help you in the mainframe arean I
On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:13:43 -0400, Aaron Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I am
>reasonably competent with Perl, and I have looked over some C, although
Thats a good start and to really help you in the mainframe arean I would
suggest then to learn REXX which with the above noted skills will r
>Accidents happen. At the IP layer, yes, packets can be dropped.
I can re-create a situation, using scripts for a terminal emulator, where
packets are always going to be dropped (and not recovered).
I can even re-create it manually, if I type fast enough.
The same script never causes a problem w
which, subject to
configuration, is delayed either by time or count to match the
characteristics of the link media.
Chris Mason
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In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:
> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT
>
> SNA does everything it can to make sure that any data traversing the network
> is r
> eceived by the desired recipient.
> The philosphy is, if you send data, somebody wants to receive it.
> TCP/IP will drop pack
>All operating systems are fundamentally different!
I disagree!
All transactions consume some portion of CPU, occupy memory, and have an I/O,
Network an Print component.
There are many disciplines that are transferable from one platform to another:
Capacity Planning
Performance Management
Availab
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Peterson
> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 6:14 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS
>
> My career so far has looked mostly like so:
>
> Long John Silver's cook
> Mexican Rest
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/08/2006
at 09:15 AM, Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>All operating systems are fundamentally alike.
All operating systems are fundamentally different!
>All PC and *nix files are just a stream of
>bytes; that's not true for z/OS.
It's not true for PC fi
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on
04/08/2006
at 09:13 AM, Aaron Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Is zOS anything like any other OS I might have used?
No. But z/OS includes Unix System Services, which should look
familiar.
>I'm pretty sure I will be asked to provide some level of support for
>come
Adding to other good replies, in no particular order:
z/OS systems can run at 100% cpu quite happily. You may see 100's of different
applications running on larger system at the same time, no problem. Part of
this is hardware design, part is software. The system can be told to manage
resou
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