LCCAWTIM for a ZIIP

2013-01-25 Thread Salva Carrasco
Hi list, I'm having a problem looking at LLCAWTIM for a ZIIP core. Currently my test system have been up for 4.5 days, so: Current_TOD - IPAILTOD = 0005C8961CAFC6C0 LCCAWTIM for CP0 = 00033B94B019440C, so this Cpu use = 44.1% LCCAWTIM for CP1 = 0002F2138BA76822, so this Cpu use

Re: slightly O/T but interesting

2013-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <510035e7.1060...@valley.net>, on 01/23/2013 at 02:11 PM, Gerhard Postpischil said: >On 1/23/2013 3:11 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: >> You're snooping in others drawers? Naughty boy! ;-D >Sorry to dash your tittilation, but four of us shared a small room >where everyone could see what ot

Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <6799950691796565.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 01/24/2013 at 07:59 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Remember the Bad Old Days when the operator needed to submit a >dummy job to make a device actually go offline? A START command with an undefined proc name qualified as a dummy job,

Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <7970407624693074.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 01/24/2013 at 08:41 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht said: >Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job? Irrelevant; the job didn't have to actually run. What I saw most often was START X, where there was no pro

Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-25 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >>Question: what was the PGM and parms used in that dummy job? >Irrelevant; the job didn't have to actually run. What I saw most often was >START X, where there was no proc named X and the start would fail. Perhaps irrelevant and more irrelevant these days, but w

Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-25 Thread Bill Fairchild
The reason why "S X" became so prevalent was because it is much faster to type 3 characters into the main console than the nine characters of "S DEALLOC". Since the results were the same, i.e., the device ended up being offline, the faster method was always used way back when. Bill Fairchild P

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread Boris Lenz
On Thu, January 24, 2013 19:39, willie bunter wrote: > I tried the LISTCAT > of the .DATA component and since there was no cluster the LISTCAT was > unsuccessful.  In this case, how would I be able to tell what type of VSAM > dsn it is? I think you can't really restore that VSAM data set unless yo

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread Steve Dover
Willie, this might be a foolish way to find what I need, but I always search our production JCL library before I do anything. All but a handful of our VSAM datasets have allocation JCL in there somewhere. On the odd, one off clusters, that takes more digging. On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:25:07 -

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
Willie You can look at cbttape.org 294, 511, 726, 738 Could help with analyzing VSAM as well as collecting the VSAM define statements for you. Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf > Of willie bunter > Sent: Thur

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread willie bunter
Steve,   That's the first place I looked.  If any one have LISTCATS of the following type of VSAM dsns I would greatly appreciate it:   ESDS, VRRDS & RRDS.   I looked at the LISTCAT of the ESDS however it doesn't indicate what type of VSAM file it is in the ATTRIBUTES.  Perhaps ___

mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Hello, I'm looking for ideas to add to what I've come up with so far If you are an application and you were deciding what platform you should be developed and run on, what are the KEY items (IE: selling points) associated with the mainframe environment that would steer you to pick the mainf

JES2 Checkpoint and GRSRNL

2013-01-25 Thread John Chase
All, We run three z/OS 1.13 images in a "bronzeplex" configuration, but do not share the spool; each image is a "single-member MAS". We're also "having fun" with an ISV product on the "sandbox", that started out as simply a S0C4 at shutdown time of the product's STC, but only "frequently". At

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Steve Comstock
On 1/25/2013 8:42 AM, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: Hello, I'm looking for ideas to add to what I've come up with so far If you are an application and you were deciding what platform you should be developed and run on, what are the KEY items (IE: selling points) associated with t

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread Boris Lenz
Willie, Here are some very basic sample DEFINE statements. You can run them in your environment and then look at the listcats. This may be more helpful than listcats from other installations. DEFINE CLUSTER(NAME(TEST.VSAM.KSDS)- INDEXED - KEYS(7 0) - RECOR

Re: JES2 Checkpoint and GRSRNL

2013-01-25 Thread Staller, Allan
Sounds like one (or more ) of the LPARs/tasks has a very low relative weight and is not getting services. This is similar in concept (although not structure) to the purpose of the ERV value in IEAOPTxx. i.e. "prefer" this work for a short period of time because it might be holding resources nee

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread willie bunter
Mike,   Unfortunately the user deleted the dsn before the query was done.  The backup taken was a physical DFDSS volume dump and there is no way of knowing the attributes of the dsns. From: Mike Schwab To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2

Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-25 Thread Greg Shirey
I might hazard a guess that someone put in a requirement to IBM that they distribute a "deallocate" proc. Why would someone do that? Perhaps there were stringent requirements at their shop about starting procs that don't exist or they got exhausted writing up internal incident reports to expla

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread willie bunter
Bill,   I tried your suggestion.  And it did tell me the type of dsn it is - RRDS.  Now another puzzling thought comes up.  When I recataloged the dsn as NONINDEXED, how does the system know that the Organization is RRDS  and not ESDS?     From: Bill Oczak To:

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread willie bunter
Sri,   Thanks for the doc.  According to the definition of ESDS, the dsn is NONINDEXED.  However, when I recataloged the CLUSTER using the NONINDEXED parm the dsn organization is RRDS (I used FileAid as suggested) and not ESDS. Can the RRDS be NONIDEXED and numbered as well

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread willie bunter
Thanks Boris, I will run them off. From: Boris Lenz To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:55:52 AM Subject: Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS Willie, Here are some very basic sample DEFINE statements. You can run them in your environmen

Re: Varying off path while it is in use

2013-01-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <8464779473941406.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu>, on 01/25/2013 at 07:07 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht said: >Perhaps irrelevant and more irrelevant these days, but why was IBM >distributing the proc DEALLOC (renamed by some sites to X) in the >first place? The hope that nobod

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Rob Schramm
z/OS Security: Statement of Integrity. With the Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 5 (EAL5) awarded by International Standards Organization, System z has the highest security rating or classification for any commercially available server. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/au/resources/systems

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Great stuff. Thanks. Rgrds, Joseph Sumi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob Schramm Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points z/OS Security: State

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Don Williams
The article below does not paint a good future for the mainframe...I hope the analysts are wrong. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19399368 == IBM unveils faster, smaller mainframe IBM has unveiled a mainframe computer it

Re: LOAD from ... SERVER option?

2013-01-25 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:54:41 +, Lund James E wrote: >I have been looking into the "LOAD from Removable Media or Server" option >available for remotely using these utilities, but, for lack of documentation, >I'm unable to get the environment setup properly. Has anyone had success using >an F

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread John Eells
Rob Schramm wrote: z/OS Security: Statement of Integrity. Sometimes we overfocus on "what's new" rather than fundamentals. The best tire in the world doesn't help you corner better if it falls off the car when kicked! So, I'd add data integrity. In fact, I'd put it first. The HW guys s

SMF LOGGER Questions

2013-01-25 Thread Malone, Garry
We have migrated our test LPAR SMF data to DASD-ONLY logstreams. This is working as described however, I am attempting to force the logstreams to a different storage group via the SMS parms in the logstream definition. I do not see any of the ACS routine messages that are usually displayed whe

Re: SMF LOGGER Questions

2013-01-25 Thread Skip Robinson
We run with CF structure support, but I can see lots of messages like this: IEF196I IGD101I SMS ALLOCATED TO DDNAME (SYS15575) IEF196I DSN (TECH.IFASMF.DEFAULT.A0096130) IEF196I STORCLAS (STANDARD) MGMTCLAS (NOACTION) DATACLAS IEF196I (SMFLOG) IEF196I V

Re: slightly O/T but interesting

2013-01-25 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 1/24/2013 9:11 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Sorry to dash your tittilation, but four of us shared a small room where everyone could see what others were doing. Orgy? Not enough room Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont

Re: SMF LOGGER Questions

2013-01-25 Thread Garry Malone
Skip, Are these messages are in the output from the batch job running the IXCMIAPU utility? If so, I see none of these. I have MSGLEVEL=(1,1) on the job card which should show all messages. Thanks, Garry -- For IBM-MAIN sub

Re: SMF LOGGER Questions

2013-01-25 Thread Skip Robinson
Maybe I misunderstood the original question. These messages appear in syslog as SMF logger rolls the offload data sets forward. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin

Re: SMF LOGGER Questions

2013-01-25 Thread Garry Malone
Maybe this is due to being DASDONLY, but I receive the IXG283I message when the DEFINE is executed and also when a new offload dataset is allocated. However, I do not see the IEF196I messages with either event. -- For IBM-MAIN

OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Scott Ford
Does this concern you all, it does me http://thehackernews.com/?m=1 Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Mills
Which item? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: OT -- hackers Does this concern you all, it does me http://thehackernews

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Scott Ford
Show how the hackers got in ..the code unless i am misreading something Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > Which item? > > Charles > > --

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Scott Ford
Maybe I just misread Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > Show how the hackers got in ..the code unless i am misreading something > > Scott fo

Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Mills
Does anyone happen to know of a utility, TSO command, ISPF panel, or similar function that is commonly available that issues STOW I? (STOW I deletes all of the members of a PDS in one fell swoop. I hoped maybe ISPF 3.1 had a "delete all" function but no such luck.) I want to test a program that

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Ed Finnell
If you haven't gotten a full briefing on Red October malware it's pretty sobering. _http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025328/red-october-malware-discovered-after -years-of-stealing-data-in-the-wild.html_ (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025328/red-october-malware-discovered-after-years-of-steali

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Sri h Kolusu
Hi, If your intention is to delete all members of a PDS then it is quite simple is ISPF itself 1. Open the PDS in EDIT mode 2. Type the following at the command prompt S * D 3. Set the delete confirmation off and press enter 4. All the members are deleted. Sri Hari Kolusu IBM Mainframe Disc

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 01/25/2013 04:32 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Does anyone happen to know of a utility, TSO command, ISPF panel, or similar function that is commonly available that issues STOW I? (STOW I deletes all of the members of a PDS in one fell swoop. I hoped maybe ISPF 3.1 had a "delete all" function but n

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Mills
No, I don't care to actually delete any members. I want to issue a STOW I macro so I can process the resulting SMF Type 42 record. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sri h Kolusu Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:41

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:32:55 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Does anyone happen to know of a utility, TSO command, ISPF panel, or similar >function that is commonly available that issues STOW I? (STOW I deletes all >of the members of a PDS in one fell swoop. I hoped maybe ISPF 3.1 had a >"delete all"

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread EXT-Schwarz, Barry
3.1 does have a delete all members command. On the command line, enter S * D When it finishes, compress the dataset because the high water mark is not reset. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Charles Mills > Sen

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
Idcams? Del mydsn(*) Lizette , -Original Message- >From: Charles Mills >Sent: Jan 25, 2013 3:32 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Utility issuing STOW Initialize? > >Does anyone happen to know of a utility, TSO command, ISPF panel, or similar >function that is commonly available

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Mills
Promising, if I don't find a lazier approach LOL Thanks, Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Utility issuing STOW Initia

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. I can confirm that 3.1 S * D does *not* do things the easy way. SMF reveals that it does 'n' member deletes. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of EXT-Schwarz, Barry Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:43 PM To:

Re: SMF LOGGER Questions

2013-01-25 Thread Clifford McNeill
Gary, I think you should the messages Skip has seen in syslog when a new logger dataset is created. However, some of the updates are not applied until the logstream is closed and reopened. Excerpt from 'Setting Up a Sysplex' Chapter 9.7 Updating a log stream's attributes: Pending updates w

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:00:46 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: > >I can confirm that 3.1 S * D does *not* do things the easy way. SMF reveals >that it does 'n' member deletes. > From CBTTAPE FILE182(PDSHELP): 002337 5. The RESET of a PDSE directory is done with the STOW 002338 Init

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Mills
Bingo! Thanks! Took me about ten minutes to find the IDCAMS doc. Does anyone else besides me find the DFSMS bookshelf about the hardest to find anything in? Who would guess that to delete a member of a PDS you had to look in a manual called "AMS for Catalogs"? Then it took me about ten minutes

Re: DIFFERENTIATION OF VSAM DSNS

2013-01-25 Thread Mike Schwab
Indexed (KSDS), Non-indexed (ESDS), Numbered (RRDS), or Linear (DB2, etc). No ands. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:33 AM, willie bunter wrote: > Sri, > > Thanks for the doc. According to the definition of ESDS, the dsn is > NONINDEXED. However, when I recataloged the CLUSTER using the NONINDEXED

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
Try tso help delete Might be faster than a manual search Lizette -Original Message-g >From: Charles Mills >Sent: Jan 25, 2013 4:00 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize? > >Thanks. > >I can confirm that 3.1 S * D does *not* do things the easy wa

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Aled Hughes
Don The 'analysts' are wrong! This biased article appeared on the BBC who is not known for any opinion/expertise about IBM mainframes - you will also note that no 'person' is attributed to authoring this article. It also quotes Pund-IT who also seem to know nothing about mainframes. Finally, w

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Mike Schwab
Card reader / punch, lineprinter, reel tapes, unmounted 3330 disk pack. Things have sure progressed since then. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Don Williams wrote: > The article below does not paint a good future for the mainframe...I hope > the analysts are wrong. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/new

Re: mainframe "selling" points

2013-01-25 Thread Mike Schwab
Run 300 zLinux servers per z196 zIFL. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: > On 1/25/2013 8:42 AM, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: >> >> Hello, I'm looking for ideas to add to what I've come up with so far >> -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Ran

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Scott Ford
I don't know why people do this or want to guess I was raised too responsible. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: > If you haven't gotten a

Re: Utility issuing STOW Initialize?

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Mills
Probably. You said IDCAMS and I thought of batch, which is how I did it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Utility

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread zMan
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > I don't know why people do this or want to guess I was raised too > responsible. Well, it's for the intellectual challenge, plus the thrill. But yeah, I don't get it--it's like random vandalism. I can see (but would never commit) vandalis

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Scott Ford
ZMan, you got it exactly .. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:37 PM, zMan wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Scott Ford wrote: > >> I don't know why people do

Re: SMF LOGGER Questions

2013-01-25 Thread Lizette Koehler
I think the IGD101I are from WRITE statements in the SMS code. You may wish to add some writes to SMS where the Logger is setup and just try a couple of WRITE statements and see if that does the trick. Lizette > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@L

Analysis of "Technology Update Pricing for AWLC" on zEC12s

2013-01-25 Thread Al Sherkow
Spurred on by my upcoming Share session I've spent some time writing about "Technology Update Pricing for AWLC". It was announced last August but there has been little discussion of the software pricing related to zEC12s on IBM-MAIN. As we seem to discuss on IBM-MAIN with each pricing change I w

Re: OT -- hackers

2013-01-25 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:37:03 -0500, zMan wrote: >> I don't know why people do this or want to guess I was raised too >> responsible. > >Well, it's for the intellectual challenge, plus the thrill. ... >But messing with someone half a world >away that you'll never meet just seems pointless. At