Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

bickering. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Gradual fade? Mainframes process more transactions now that at any point in history

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so as to not clutter up the list with ancillary bickering. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Gradual fade? Mainframes process more

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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 5:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote: > If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system > because that's the smallest available, unless something drastic h

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote: > If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system > because that's the smallest available, unless something drastic happens to > hardware AND softwar

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 1:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF I think you are missing the point, why sell something and then before you sunset that box, make it so that you can't upgrade the software? That's completely against IBM's original method of operation

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:35:47 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >We're running a 2-way, 316 MSU machine and my business customers would squawk >loudly if I had to move our workload to a 4 way with no more horsepower. We >have several single-threaded processes

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

On Behalf Of Andrew Rowley Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 5:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote: > If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system > because that's the smallest available,

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:35:47 +, Pommier, Rex wrote: >We're running a 2-way, 316 MSU machine and my business customers would squawk >loudly if I had to move our workload to a 4 way with no more horsepower. We >have several single-threaded processes that run that would be woefully

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

On 27/06/2023 11:35 pm, Pommier, Rex wrote: If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system because that's the smallest available, unless something drastic happens to hardware AND software pricing, the company isn't going to be looking for "what else can I put on

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Why would IBM offer state of the art technology that they’ve spent billions to develop to “next generation” companies, most of whom will die within a decade? Wouldn’t that tick off their current customers who might then ask for

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

M is cutting off any such development of a future client base. Hint: It isn't through outsourcers. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Why would an

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> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 7:40 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF > > Why would anyone think IBM wants to sell a mainframe to everyon

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Sorry, finger check that went unnoticed. Ours is a 216 MSU machine, not 316. Rex -Original Message- From: Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:36 AM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced

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rs. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Why would anyone think IBM wants to sell a mainframe to everyone? Any more than Tesla wan

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5:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF On 27/06/2023 5:40 pm, Gibney, Dave wrote: > 200 MSU was much more than we needed. Maybe 20 or so at our peaks. And the > z/OS and ISV charges at 200 levels would have been intolerable. That's why I keep qualifying it with

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r. We have several single-threaded processes that run that would be woefully impacted if the per-engine thruput was halved. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Andrew Rowley Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 5:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [

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The little single CPU processors don't have the boost feature. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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You don't even need to ask IBM any more, the process is published. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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Interesting! Maybe IBM will think about adding logic so a required process such as this can be boosted permanently, without affecting anything else running. Related: I was surprised a couple of weeks ago when the owner of a particular ISV product said their program can run on a zIIP. I

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

On 6/22/2023 9:38 AM, Pommier, Rex wrote: IBM has their IPL CPU boost function. Maybe they could somehow flag zOSMF to speed up the processor while it's running so as to not kill the small machine? My theory is that IPL boost was initially invented to increase z/OSMF adoption since its

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF After a couple years of use, I feel I'm pretty safe saying that, to me, z/OSMF appears to be a poorly designed and very badly programmed product. Most vendors would have ditched the product and stopped promoting it by now, but IBM

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

Tempus fugit. I have (personally) seen z/VM do the same thing circa 2015. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane G Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) > wrote: > >> Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't). > No, but you

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

On 27/04/2018 8:20 PM, Shane G wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:40:52 +0800, David Crayford wrote: On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote: Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:40:52 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) >> wrote: >> >>> Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't). >> No, but you can

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: 26 April 2018 15:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Amen. – Vignesh Mainframe

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

On 27/04/2018 1:38 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote: Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't). No, but you can move the work to another LPAR in the Sysplex before the IPL, minimizing the application down

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:14:49 +0100, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote: >Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't). No, but you can move the work to another LPAR in the Sysplex before the IPL, minimizing the application down time. -- Tom Marchant

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Classification: Public Is it outage, rather than downtime? (ie, unexpected) Can't shutdown and IPL in 315 seconds.. (well, we can't). Andy Styles z/Series System Programmer -Original Message-

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

Marchant Sent: 26 April 2018 16:06 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills -- This email has reached the Bank via an external source -- On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:00:37 +, Allan Staller wrote: >(z/OS) claims "six nines" of

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:00:37 +, Allan Staller wrote: >(z/OS) claims "six nines" of availability (99.99%; That would be eight nines. Do they talk about six nines now? I remember 5 nines, or available 99.999% of the time. That corresponds to about 315 seconds of down time per year, by my

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ronald Kristel Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Don't forget the &quo

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

karanaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 16:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Amen. – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LIST

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

Amen. – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: 26 April 2018 15:01 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

Also, z/OSMF runs on z/OS.. do the others? I do not currently have enough hands on experience w/ z/OSMF to vote yay or nay on z/OSMF. The tools I am referring to do not. Who knows what h/w and OS KC, RL, etc. run on. *NIX hardware is in a class w/z hardware. They do not have the

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

, Vignesh Sent: Thursday 26-Apr-2018 18:38 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Hey Allan, I'm only talking about the UX. Don't know about the full history of each to make statements about their functionality. After all, z/OSMF

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

sage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Thursday 26-Apr-2018 18:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Now if only (Knowledge Centre, ResourceLink, and many o

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills

@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 3:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Hi John, If I may share some feedback on z/OSMF... Kind of pains to see this UI. Knowledge Centre

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Eells Sent: 25 April 2018 21:37 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF, was How far out of date are my skills Gibney, Dave wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Beha