Re: Erich Bloch, Who Helped Develop IBM Mainframe, Dies at 91

The photo is a rare insight into IBM's early R on the concept which later became the Smartphone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: Erich Bloch, Who Helped Develop IBM Mainframe, Dies at 91

Photo with the article shows the first minicomputer. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 7:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Erich Bloch, Who Helped Develop

Erich Bloch, Who Helped Develop IBM Mainframe, Dies at 91

Sad news: Erich Bloch, Who Helped Develop IBM Mainframe, Dies at 91 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/technology/erich-bloch-who-helped-develop-ibm-mainframe-dies-at-91.html?smid=li-share&_r=0 DJ -- For IBM-MAIN subsc

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

It was converted from PASCAL for OS/390 1.7 (1990's). So, any doc would be of that vintage - -teD -   Original Message   From: Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 06:21 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: TAR Files:" Extra

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

D SYSOUT=* Charles -Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Leonard Sasso Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainf

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

one command, and then running a second batch job. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:43:33 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Trying to be helpful rather than smart*ss here, if you mean "I would prefer >a JCL-/batch-based solution to a UNIX command line solution" -- and if so I > Being a smartass here, this reminds me of trying to make a C library with JCL

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

In <of1902fef9.d682bf4e-on85257f1e.0002c820-85257f1e.0002d...@csgov.com>, on 12/16/2015 at 07:31 PM, Leonard Sasso <lsa...@csgov.com> said: >Anyone know of a product (besides Data21's ZIP/390 Product), that >can "extract" a file(s) from a TAR file on a IBM Main

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

e: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 05:48:00 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >What's wrong with the tar command that comes with z/OS? > What if his managemen

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

Jack J. Woehr wrote: unless you are saying that the z/OS implementation of Unix leans on USS which I don't think is the case. I meant "the z/OS implementation of TCP/IP leans on USS" -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking,

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

Oh my gosh! It almost certainly does. Hard to picture there are no UNIX services used. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 10:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

In <0904944842246174.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>, on 12/17/2015 at 11:21 AM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> said: >On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 05:48:00 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>What's wrong with the tar command that comes with z/OS? >>

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

Charles Mills wrote: Oh my gosh! It almost certainly does. Hard to picture there are no UNIX services used. I guess it's fair to say it's all of a cloth. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 05:48:00 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >What's wrong with the tar command that comes with z/OS? > What if his management doesn't allow the use of UNIX System Services? (Is that still going on? It's been a while since I've seen the question, once pervasive in these

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > I hope you don't connect via TCP/IP. > ​[grin] or TN3270 or ftp or ​ Likely the OP mean "I don't want to use UNIX myself, directly". Too bad, it has some nice features. > > Charles > > -- Schrodinger's backup:

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

John McKown wrote: ​Because you said you don't want to use UNIX. And TCPIP uses UNIX, Well, TCP/IP comes from the Unix world and much IBM-provided TCP/IP software comes directly from open source Unix, e.g., OpenSSH But TCP/IP doesn't "use" Unix, Unix uses TCP/IP ("the TCP/IP stack") ...

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

I hope you don't connect via TCP/IP. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Leonard Sasso Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

initiative expressly permitting the use of email for such purpose. From: Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 12/17/2015 01:02 PM Subject:Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussio

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Leonard Sasso wrote: > We do, why? > ​Because you said you don't want to use UNIX. And TCPIP uses UNIX, and so thus does all TCPIP related sub-systems such an 3270 emulation (TN3270), and ftp. So you most likely do use UNIX, implicitly. I

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Leonard Sasso <lsa...@csgov.com> wrote: > We do, why? > ​Because you said you don't want to use UNIX. And TCPIP uses UNIX, and

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On 17 December 2015 at 13:39, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > No TCP/IP? Or is the old Pascal version still supported? No. > Is there a pax or tar equivalent that doesn't require dubbing? I'm not > aware of one. It's not impossible that tar might run without

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

Tony Harminc wrote: > Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >> No TCP/IP? Or is the old Pascal version still supported? >No. Hmmm, I know Pascal was used first [1] as source for TCP/IP and some modules were later rewritten in other languages. Where is it documented that Pascal is not used as source

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

No reason one could not write a TAR (upper case intentional) that used only 1980's mainframe services. Nothing inherently "UNIX" about the tar format. It's 1's and 0's in; 1's and 0's out. Charles -Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTS

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:41:03 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: > >It's not impossible that tar might run without being dubbed. One might >be able to copy the tar executable from the UNIX file into a PDSE >member and run it from JCL, or more likely by invoking it from a >program with suitably UNIXy

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

In <5672ffa8.6010...@well.com>, on 12/17/2015 at 11:32 AM, "Jack J. Woehr" said: >But TCP/IP doesn't "use" Unix, The TCP/IP protocol suite doesn't use any OS, but the implementation of TCP/IP in z/OS certainly does. >Unix uses TCP/IP ITYM that a lot of Unix applications use

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On 12/16/2015 7:41 PM, Leonard Sasso wrote: Hello ! Anyone know of a product (besides Data21's ZIP/390 Product), that can "extract" a file(s) from a TAR file on a IBM Mainframe - z/OS 2.1 ? Thank You In Advance for your Help, it is appreciated. Len Sasso RDC Applications

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On 16 December 2015 at 19:31, Leonard Sasso <lsa...@csgov.com> wrote: > Hello ! > Anyone know of a product (besides Data21's ZIP/390 Product), that can > "extract" a file(s) from a TAR file on a IBM Mainframe - z/OS 2.1 ? Um, I would start with the z/OS tar command. Whi

TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

Hello ! Anyone know of a product (besides Data21's ZIP/390 Product), that can "extract" a file(s) from a TAR file on a IBM Mainframe - z/OS 2.1 ? Thank You In Advance for your Help, it is appreciated. Len Sasso RDC Applications Management - Professional: System Administrator

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

On 2015-12-16 17:54, Pinnacle wrote: > On 12/16/2015 7:41 PM, Leonard Sasso wrote: >> Hello ! >> Anyone know of a product (besides Data21's ZIP/390 Product), that can >> "extract" a file(s) from a TAR file on a IBM Mainframe - z/OS 2.1 ? > > Len, &g

Re: TAR Files:" Extracting" on a IBM Mainframe

;> "extract" a file(s) from a TAR file on a IBM Mainframe - z/OS 2.1 ? >> >> >> >> Thank You In Advance for your Help, it is appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> Len Sasso >> RDC Applications Management - Professional: System Ad

Re: IBM Mainframe

W dniu 2015-11-27 o 16:16, Bobbie Justice pisze: There's not really a shortage of IBM mainframe talent. There is a shortage of talent that is willing to work for peanuts. The problem is there is a lot of non-mainframe talents willing to work for peanuts. Of course there is no single (common

Re: IBM Mainframe

>The problem is there is a lot of non-mainframe talents willing to work for >peanuts. >Of course there is no single (common) definition of "peanuts" or "talent". New mainframe talent requires training before they can be somewhat productive in a decently set up shop[1]. This too costs money. So

Re: IBM Mainframe

On Nov 30, 2015, at 5:55 AM, Cannaerts, Jan wrote: Agreed. Training companies are dying out like flies because of costs and companies are to cheap. Catch 22 - You want / need training, but companies need solid proven experience. As a 22 year old (two years ago) I found that the "shotgun

Re: IBM Mainframe

In , on 11/30/2015 at 10:20 AM, "Cannaerts, Jan" said: >[1] In a non-perfectly set up shop you can work on improving very >basic things that don't require deep understanding of the systems >you're working on.

Re: IBM Mainframe

> Agreed. Training companies are dying out like flies because of costs and >companies are to cheap. Catch 22 - You want / need training, but companies >need solid proven experience. As a 22 year old (two years ago) I found that the "shotgun approach" worked. Ask around until you find a company

Re: IBM Mainframe

Cannaerts, Jan wrote: >>The problem is there is a lot of non-mainframe talents willing to work for >>peanuts. Of course there is no single (common) definition of "peanuts" or >>"talent". >New mainframe talent requires training before they can be somewhat productive >in a decently set up

Re: IBM Mainframe

2015-11-26 5:51 GMT-06:00 John McKown :​ That's definitely true at the company I'm working for. Basically, the > company wants "ad hoc" workers for some project. But they don't seem to > have any concern about "maintenance" or having people on staff who > understand

Re: IBM Mainframe

Guys, Exactly, a z/OS system isnt a PC ...and not JAVA Scott On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Ricardo Gomez Ramirez wrote: > 2015-11-26 5:51 GMT-06:00 John McKown :​ > > That's definitely true at the company I'm working for. Basically, the > >

Re: IBM Mainframe

Unfortunately, where I work if it isn't a Windows PC it just isn't a real computer. /Tom Kern On 11/29/2015 13:09, Scott Ford wrote: Guys, Exactly, a z/OS system isnt a PC ...and not JAVA Scott On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Ricardo Gomez Ramirez wrote: 2015-11-26

Re: IBM Mainframe

Bingo !! John Clifford Sr z/OS Systems programmer On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Bobbie Justice < 0013e2d84072-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > There's not really a shortage of IBM mainframe talent. > > There is a shortage of talent that is willing to work for pean

Re: IBM Mainframe

There's not really a shortage of IBM mainframe talent. There is a shortage of talent that is willing to work for peanuts. Bobbie Justice Senior z/OS Systems Engineer -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: IBM Mainframe

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:37 PM, esst...@juno.com wrote: > From my personal observation I don't see a shortage of Mainframe Skills. > I do see companies not willing to pay for an experience skill set. In to > days economic climate business are very reluctant to hire staff

Re: IBM Mainframe

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:17 PM, John Mattson wrote: > My personal experience. I'm 67, laid off after 18 years May 2014, > consultant with raise Sept 2014, Hired away with raise Aug 2015. Yes, > there is work to be had. More so if you are able to travel and/or >

Re: IBM Mainframe

John McKown wrote: >​Unfortunately for me, I'm "in the hole". I'll be 63 when the company gets rid >of me. Likely too old to get hired somewhere else, too young for Medicare. Same here in Sunny South Africa. Generally retirement age is about 60 years, but you can retire at 55 - 65 years

Re: IBM Mainframe

e insurance / underwriting company (us). I can understand this methodology and to some degree makes sense. However in my experience It has never been a proven long term strategy. . . -- Original Message -- From: John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

Re: IBM Mainframe JOB market

y can to the job you can have $30 per hour and I will take the $120 and they get more that a little Upset. And I cover all zOS Systems, ACF2, RACF, TSS, CICS, DB2, IMS/DB-DC, Cobol, PL/I and Assembler. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.U

Re: IBM Mainframe

On 26 November 2015 at 06:51, John McKown wrote: > > The company wants to only be an insurance company. They are outsourcing > I.T. infrastructure. They have already outsourced the DBA function, new > business data entry, and claims data entry. I'm not sure about the

Re: IBM Mainframe

esst...@juno.com wrote: Many institutions have been burned on this "plug and Play: mentality. They do not look at inhoues I.T. personal as ASSESETS. It's true in IT all over. A company I consult to has gotten rather large being the plug-in for big biz companies in the Linux/Windows hosted

Re: IBM Mainframe JOB market

$$. -- Original Message -- From: David Speake <david.spe...@bcbssc.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Mainframe JOB market Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:38:31 -0600 Last Friday I was told that there is a desperate shortage of IBM mainframe talent at mo

Re: IBM Mainframe

I heard that... On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:22 PM, David Speake <david.spe...@bcbssc.com> wrote: Last Friday I was told that there is a desperate shortage of IBM        mainframe talent at most all skill levels and specialties. I have      not done my homewor

Re: IBM Mainframe

rom: David Speake <david.spe...@bcbssc.com> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: IBM Mainframe > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:22:11 -0600 > > Last Friday I was told that there is a desperate shortage of IBM= > = > > mainframe talent at most all skill levels and s

Re: IBM Mainframe

ion. -- Original Message -- From: David Speake <david.spe...@bcbssc.com> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Mainframe Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:22:11 -0600 Last Friday I was told that there is a desperate shortage of IBM mainframe talent at most all ski

IBM Mainframe JOB market

Last Friday I was told that there is a desperate shortage of IBM mainframe talent at most all skill levels and specialties. I have not done my homework, say on Monster.com or otherwise. Suspect that, if true, it would be a hot topic here. So I scanned rather

Re: IBM Mainframe JOB market

and they get more that a little Upset. And I cover all zOS Systems, ACF2, RACF, TSS, CICS, DB2, IMS/DB-DC, Cobol, PL/I and Assembler. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of esst...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:42 PM

Re: IBM mainframe Professionals (Facebook Group) changed from Public to Closed

I did not know there was a mainframe professionals facebook group.I use linkedin for all my professional contacts. On Thursday, November 5, 2015 12:34 PM, Steve Beaver <st...@stevebeaver.com> wrote: First time I've seen it -Original Message- From: IBM Mai

Re: IBM mainframe Professionals (Facebook Group) changed from Public to Closed

First time I've seen it -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 6:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM mainframe Professionals (Facebook Group) changed from Public

Re: IBM mainframe Professionals (Facebook Group) changed from Public to Closed

Yeah. Mainframe professionals Facebook is kind of an oxymoron. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of william janulin Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM mainframe

IBM mainframe Professionals (Facebook Group) changed from Public to Closed

n/?groups%2F15888095404%2F=1446731772841597=email=523cb33d1cbabG2cb215c6G523cb7d67ce7dG90G8ae2=1.1446731778.AbnvS19rm2Lgf0B-_m=dbcole%40gmail.com>IBM mainframe Professionals from Public to Closed I'm curious... Does anyone know why this was done? Dave Cole ColeSoft Marketing 414 Thir

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:43:23 +0200, R.S. wrote: Has anyone a photo of 3088?

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

Has anyone a photo of 3088? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland --- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś

GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

David Crayford wrote: This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in the 80's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 3380, 3090, 3420 and such animals. But what the four letter word is a 'GRS

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

Now I remember! In 1981, I had to go in when I was on nights (mornings) and switch all the printers over. - -teD -   Original Message   From: Norman.Hollander Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 12:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

somewhere with a 3088 and 9032 (ESCON director). Without the 3088, you needed many dedicated channels on each processor. zNorman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:10

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

IBM 3088 CTC Global Resource Serialization -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

Richard Pinion wrote: The IBM mainframe emulator Hercules has CTC 3088 functionality. I think that is used for TCP/IP. Mark Jacobs wrote: Yep. That's it. Thanks for remembering. We were still using one when I left my previous position in 1995 with a 3090 400E processor. Gross, Randall wrote

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

The IBM mainframe emulator Hercules has CTC 3088 functionality. I think that is used for TCP/IP. --- mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote: From: Mark Jacobs - Listserv mark.jac...@custserv.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:17:31 -0700, Norman.Hollander wrote: 3088 Multi-System Channel-to-Channel I/O Control Unit. Bus and Tag, connecting 4 CPUs (IIRC). I thought I remembered 8 channel connections. I found this in the OS/390 2.10 GRS Planning manual: Model A1 can connect two systems through

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

I don't remember the device number but it was used for CTC communications using bus and tag cables. Mark Jacobs Elardus Engelbrecht mailto:elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za June 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM I have watched that nice video, bringing back memories of those 3800, 3380, 3090, 3420 and such

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 10:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s) I don't remember the device number

Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations in the 80s)

I think it was a 3088 Regards, Joerg Pohlmann -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv Sent: June 12, 2015 07:02 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: GRS Control Unit ( Was IBM mainframe operations

IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in the 80's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

On 11/06/15 20:30, Ken Hume IBM wrote: So, the shoot coordinator goes off and finds three or four young, attractive women that were well dressed and brings them into the computer room. Most of them had no idea what a computer was. All of them complained that the room was to cold and did not want

Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

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Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

From: David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 2015-06-11 14:35 Subject:IBM mainframe operations in the 80s Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career

Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

:IBM mainframe operations in the 80s Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU This is a nice bit of nostalgia as I started my career as an Op back in the 80's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwj6pfhWBps

Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s

Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:05 PM Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM mainframe operations in the 80s The wayback machine ...80s , just entered Systems Programming..in Operations in the 70s before...man On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Steve

Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

Gents, Someone can comment on it, I received an email from an Open System college arguing that mainframe is very weak...please help me to answer it: oclHashcat v1.20 support added to crack RACF (IBM mainframe) hashes with 1 Billion (Giga) Hashes/second on a single stock clocked hd6990 graphics

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

-strikes-and-out rule. oclHashcat v1.20 support added to crack RACF (IBM mainframe) hashes with 1 Billion (Giga) Hashes/second on a single stock clocked hd6990 graphics card: http://pastebin.com/Cqdhe3kR I didn't expect IBM's Mainframe password hashing to be so weak :( In comparison, the SHA512 hash

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

W dniu 2014-03-18 07:19, Jose Munoz pisze: Gents, Someone can comment on it, I received an email from an Open System college arguing that mainframe is very weak...please help me to answer it: oclHashcat v1.20 support added to crack RACF (IBM mainframe) hashes with 1 Billion (Giga) Hashes

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

of things. ;-) oclHashcat v1.20 support added to crack RACF (IBM mainframe) hashes with 1 Billion (Giga) Hashes/second on a single stock clocked hd6990 graphics card How did they tested it? Obtained a real copy of RACF DB and do your cracking? I didn't expect IBM's Mainframe password hashing

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

is in the details. Strip the BS and what they are saying is that if you ignore the standard security recommendations for MVS then you will have security problems. oclHashcat v1.20 support added to crack RACF (IBM mainframe) hashes That presumes read access to it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

arguing that mainframe is very weak...please help me to answer it: The Devil is in the details. Strip the BS and what they are saying is that if you ignore the standard security recommendations for MVS then you will have security problems. oclHashcat v1.20 support added to crack RACF (IBM

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

or advices, even those wise. :-( oclHashcat v1.20 support added to crack RACF (IBM mainframe) hashes with 1 Billion (Giga) Hashes/second on a single stock clocked hd6990 graphics card How did they tested it? Obtained a real copy of RACF DB and do your cracking? I bet, yes. Do you want real copy

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: How did they tested it? Obtained a real copy of RACF DB and do your cracking? I bet, yes. Do you want real copy of RACF db? I'll create it for you. Tell me the usernames and passwords you want to have. I'm too lazy to do that, I'll have rather mow my lawn. ;-D If you

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

On 19/03/2014 0:51, Lou Losee wrote: I also wonder if they truly mean password hashes, as in the ancient RACF password hash methods, or the more commonly used encryption method of securing passwords or to be more technically correct, user ids. I'm sure it is using the encryption method. The

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

how to crack racf passwords (from feb2013) http://mainframed767.tumblr.com/post/43072129477/how-to-copy-the-racf-database-off-the-mainframe-and also from search http://www.toolswatch.org/2014/02/new-tool-racfsnow-password-cracker-for-racf-ibm-mainframe-v1-5-in-the-wild/ disclaimer: we have dozens

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

On 19/03/2014 9:30, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_cracking things were speeded up some when repositories of tens of thousand of the most common passwords were published. some countermeasure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29 The GPU

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 19/03/2014 9:30, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_cracking things were speeded up some when repositories of tens of thousand of the most common passwords were published. some countermeasure

Re: Cracking IBM Mainframe Password Hashes

On 19/03/2014 10:21, Ed Gould wrote: I thought IBM would have spoken up before this. From what little I have heard is that even with the raw data (ie the RACF DB) the password is unable to be broken. You can't calculate the password from the stored value - as far as I know that is still the

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The biggest problem with this is if I recall correctly, the user id is encrypted with the password with a variant of DES that has a slight twist from the published DES algorithm. That is why there are two types of DES encrypt calls in the RACROUTE REQUEST=EXTRACT macro; ENCRYPT=(data addr,DES)

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

Two points... (1) Remember that when IBM invented CCA back in the late 1980s, there really were no other HSMs - thus, there were no other crypto architectures in the banking world to be compatible with. I suppose other vendors who came along and developed HSMs could have adopted CCA, but

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

Host Security Module. Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:52:04 -0500 From: elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Todd Arnold wrote: no other HSMs - vendor's HSM architecture, What is HSM in this context? Of course

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HARDWARE Security Module. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM, J R jayare...@hotmail.com wrote: Host Security Module. Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:52:04 -0500 From: elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Todd Arnold

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

Correct. Hardware Security Module is the more generic term. Host Security Module is the Racal/Thales offering. Many still use the term generically. = = Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:41:54 -0400 From: zedgarhoo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube To: IBM-MAIN

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jayare...@hotmail.com (J R) writes: Correct. Hardware Security Module is the more generic term. Host Security Module is the Racal/Thales offering. Many still use the term generically. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#1 IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube Last decade, I had

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offering. Many still use the term generically. = = Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:41:54 -0400 From: zedgarhoo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU HARDWARE Security Module. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM, J R jayare...@hotmail.com

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: (as an aside, after power-on/test sequence ... those circuits get destroyed). Destroyed after such sequence? I'm having trouble swallowing your statement. ;-D If you, for example, do that in the factory just to test it out before shipping to the customer, it is

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

Thanks.  I had assume common to mean that it was common across vendors.  Apparently it is common only across IBM platforms. From: Todd Arnold arno...@us.ibm.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:32 PM Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

systems outside of those by IBM that supported what I might call CCA conforming sharing of keys. From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:43 PM Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube Frank Swarbrick

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I've only found ICSF and CCA for Linux on IBM System z. Since CCA is meant to be common I was wondering if it was implemented by anyone outside of IBM itself. I don't know of any non-IBM products that are designed to support CCA, but it is common to all the IBM platforms. You've apparently

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