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On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:52:48 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>My reading was that there was no MODIFY involved with $SUBMIT. It *is* a JES2
>command as I read things. It is I think the answer to what I was looking for
>with my OP "is there a JES2 command to submit a job?"
The provided RDR proc is now useful only as an example. Note it uses
IEBEDIT, the poor utility that gets no respect.
When a started task name is IEFPROC, DD IEFRDER has some special properties
that allow unit, and (I think) volume to be specified as positional
operands, and any DD keywords on the
nk the answer to what I was looking for
with my OP "is there a JES2 command to submit a job?" I chose to go with the
RDR proc because it looked a little simpler.
Footnote: Little did I know. What a PITA RDR turned out to be, at least on my
particular LPAR. I had to override RECFM, LR
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:43:14 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Well, they're different environments for one thing. FTP FILETYPE=JES is
>wonderful, but it does not run as a JES2 command. Ditto TSO and ISPF SUBMIT.
>
>To nitpick, IEBGENER is irrelevant, right? SYSOUT INTRDR is the key; you can
>get ther
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:47:56 -0800, Ed
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:47:56 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
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>IBM added many JES3 features to JES2 over the last decade in an effort
>to make JES2 more palatable to JES3 customers. One of those features was
>support for a "disk reader" -- something JES3 had for as long as anyone
>can remember.
>
>The purp
On 11/18/2020 3:58 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
Thanks. This will work. Kind of convoluted -- a $T A command to issue a $VS
command to issue an S command to start an STC that submits a job, but hey, it's
mainframe. If it was easy we wouldn't get the big bucks.
Idle musing: why doesn't JES2 have a
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 00:10:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>UNIT=INTRDR is not valid in JES2, and the internal reader is very much alive
>and well. It does not p
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 00:10:14 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>UNIT=INTRDR is not valid in JES2, and the internal reader is very much alive
>and well. It does not present a security issue, and bog standard users can
>exploit it freely.
>
Why do you so often feel it's necessary to state a snarky nega
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Let's say the started task is setup as SURROGAT for multiple userids.
As one of those id's, if I am given access to the JCL I could submit a
job as if I was another one of those id's. No?
On 11/19/202
AUTO is file 332 I believe.
Referenced here along with JES2 $TA commands.
http://www.longpelaexpertise.com/ezine/DoWeNeedAutomationSoftware.php
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> >
> > I like Bobby Herring's solution.
ymour J.) Metz
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I just thought of one more problem with my scenario. If the JCL can be
updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they want,
spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.
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> Hi Skip
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:21:17 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Yes indeed, if an unwashed user can update the member passed to RDR then all
>bets are off.
>
There's an implied argument here supporting the crontab; /bin/submit
approach: such unwashed users might be loath to further dirty their
hands w
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Hi Radek,
After I sent it, I realized that I addressed you incorrectly. Sorry.
No problem at all. I just suspected there is some meaning of such
sentence which I don't understand. Curiosity - that's all.
Regards
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 15:48:41 -0500, David Spiegel wrote:
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>"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc. ..."
>As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *
>
That's newly true likewise of inline Procedures. Either provides
a valuable ability to modify instream data sets as:
W dniu 19.11.2020 o 21:46, Wayne Bickerdike pisze:
Charles,
I like Bobby Herring's solution. We use similar commands combined with
automation at one customer.
AUTO is very, very easy to install.
It uses a PDS with this syntax : @2230
At 2230, it does whatever is in the member with a day flag:
Hi Radek,
After I sent it, I realized that I addressed you incorrectly. Sorry.
Regards,
David
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Hi Skip,
"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc. ..."
As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can hav
W dniu 19.11.2020 o 21:48, David Spiegel pisze:
Hi Skip,
"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc. ..."
As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *
Yes, I wanted to say that as well, but simply forgot. There are also new
features in JCL since z/OS 2.1, which I didn't
Hi Skip,
"... That means your job may contain DD * statements, etc. ..."
As of z/OS 1.13, Cataloged Procedures can have DD *
Regards,
David
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Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLI
I SMF
MTWTFSS S DELDUMP
I clean up the dump dataset at intervals.
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Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
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I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,&#x
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We have a rather simple solution we use.
We have this command in the JES comm
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We have a rather simple solution we use.
We have this command in the JES commands member:
$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,&#x
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So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the use
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> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And then
> you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
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// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,''''S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''''''
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//STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
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We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with stuff
coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like many other shops,
ages ago we wrote our own version with customized data set and unit par
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> why not AUTO
Trying to keep things simple. Trying to avoid one more piece in th
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Why don't you grab a copy of AUTO from the CBT tape. It has a scheduler
function.
We use it on Dallas to schedule the SLEEP
''S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''''''
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 15:46, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
> Most people I mention it to are surprised, and they expect it keep running
> until a modiFy or stoP tells it otherwise.
A good example (if it still is?) of a STC that starts to do something and then
stops is/was SMFDUMP.
We used to use STCs
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Most people I mention it to are surprised, and they expect it keep running
until a modiFy or stoP tells it otherwise.
That's th
Most people I mention it to are surprised, and they expect it keep running
until a modiFy or stoP tells it otherwise.
That's the reason I mentioned it :-)
Roops
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Have you considered OMVS's CRON?
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> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
> th
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Right! I remember that. I remember that was
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Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
the things you'
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> Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
> the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.
There's nothing that an STC is "normally expected to do". Some run for
ages, but some don't. The significant point is
Off the cuff, I'm pretty sure it runs as an STC, but one that doesn't do
the things you'd normally expect an STC to do.
I don't know whether any versions of MVS and z/OS, or any automation, would
react to an "STC" ending without doing the usual, but I'd guess not.
I know MVS 3.8 (TK4-) accepts thi
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>//MYJOB DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
>looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
>whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether
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>//MYJOB DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
>looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
>whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether I used SVC 99.
>
WRITER(INTRDR)
Likewise for BPXWDYN.
>If the job can ju
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> > most z/OS people
> >are still fairly ignorant of z/OS UNIX and are reluctant to use it. A
> few
> >years ago I had another syspro
Ah yes
//MYJOB DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
looks like a. In fact I've used that from TSO, lthough I can't remember
whether the ALLOC command hndles INTRDR, or whether I used SVC 99.
If the job can justifiably be in something like SYS1.PROCLIB, it's even
easier.
S MYJOB :-)
Roops
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
> Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
> started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
> then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
But the S RDR... command doesn't
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Thanks. This will work. Kind of convoluted -- a $T A command to issue a $VS
command to issue an S command to start an STC that submits a job
> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
Charles,
You can use the SCHEDULE command to run the job at a particular time. Here
is a detailed explanation of the parms along with examples
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledge
been since dinosaurs roamed the
earth.
Regards,
David
On 2020-11-18 18:00, Charles Mills wrote:
> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
>
Available in V2R3!
Charles
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JES2 at the z/OS 2.4 level has a $SUBMIT command, with the infrastructure to
dynamically add datasets and such to use for job submission. The commands
manual has information about it
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Hi Charles,
All of the previous responses did not address your situation.
Here is
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>are still fairly ignorant of z/OS UNIX and are reluctant to use it. A few
>years ago I had another sysprog complain about it because, in his words,
>"It isn't Windows!"
>
What's z/OS? Chopped liver or Windows?
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roamed the
earth.
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Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
real scheduler.) I figured I could do something
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We did something like that before we had CA-7 (actually Runtrack). We used
the $TA command to start a task which then submitted the actual JCL. Th
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> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
>
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to r
The classic way is to use a reader proc, traditionally named RDR, which may
well still be included in z/OS. But usually a variation that reads members
from a PDS is more useful.
Check out // SCHEDULE TIME= in JCL. I use it all the time.
sas
can't
> remember what RACF id the job ran under. This was long ago, I think before
> the STARTED class in RACF.
>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 5:01 PM Charles Mills wrote:
>>
>> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
>> analogou
Also, You can enter SUB next to the member name while in ISPF. Just enter SUB
vs. B or E or V
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I do something like that for my personal stuff. And it is good in that you can
have a separate crontab for submitting different jobs with
use it. A few
years ago I had another sysprog complain about it because, in his words,
"It isn't Windows!"
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CF id the job ran under. This was long ago, I think before
the STARTED class in RACF.
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> Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
> analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
> I want to run a predefined job, unmodifi
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 15:00:59 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
>analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
>
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.bpxa400/jclsub.htm
plus crontab
>I vaguely recal
Is there a JES2 command to submit a job from a PDS or PROCLIB, roughly
analogous to TSO SUBMIT?
I want to run a predefined job, unmodified, once a day. (No, I don't have a
real scheduler.) I figured I could do something with $T A,I=86400,'command'
but I don't see what the
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