paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
Are you suggesting that I, as a Class G user, can build and deploy a DVM,
no sysprog intervention?
re:
http://www.garilc.com/~lynn/2014.html#1 Application development paradigms [was:
RE: Learning Rexx]
that is exactly how the rexx author started
in
spring 1982.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013o.html#91 Learning Rexx
there was also a presentation on CMS running on MVS.
A couple yrs earlier, Endicott had gotten the corporation to announce
that vm370/cms was the strategic online, interactive solution. The TSO
product administrator had
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#1 Application development paradigms [was:
RE: Learning Rexx]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#2 Application development paradigms [was:
RE: Learning Rexx]
another thing in the wake of FS failure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys
Year to all.
Peter
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On 29/12/2013 1:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On 2013
/2014.html#1 Application development paradigms [was:
RE: Learning Rexx]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#2 Application development paradigms [was:
RE: Learning Rexx]
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#4 Application development paradigms [was:
RE: Learning Rexx]
the 23jun1969 unbundle
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:49:40 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
Gerard Schildberger writes:
[must have come via BITNET]
OS/VS2 would crash when getting close to 512 address spaces. Does
anybody know when that threshold was lifted? Or is there a new
threshold?
There's always a threshold;
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 09:30:19 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
(Paul Gilmartin) writes:
Are you suggesting that I, as a Class G user, can build and deploy a DVM,
no sysprog intervention?
that is exactly how the rexx author started out with his multi-user
client/server spacewar game.
however you
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 14:23:58 -0500, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
Rather, I would argue that it is the even more the powerful concept of DVM's,
Disconnected Virtual Machines, and the resulting ability for even ordinary
[was: RE: Learning Rexx]
Peter:
Your mention of CMS on MVS brings back memories. Karl Finkemeyer and I
were picked as the technical team leaders for the two teams that were to
actually develop it. We had begun staffing our teams when the project
was killed (that was about 1982, as I recall). We
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Farley, Peter x23353
peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:
Thanks for the history Mike. I would indeed have truly bemoaned the loss
of VM had that happened.
Being lodged in strictly MVS and z/OS shops for many years without access
to VM and CMS at all I just
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
I would think you'd first need sysadmin to DEFINE the service machine.
Isn't that a directory update, beyond the entitlement of a Class G user?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014.html#1 Application development paradigms [was:
RE: Learning Rexx
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:32:58 -0600, John McKown wrote:
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
Thanks for the history Mike. I would indeed have truly bemoaned the loss
of VM had that happened.
Being lodged in strictly MVS and z/OS shops for many years without access
to
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Peter:
Your mention of CMS on MVS brings back memories. Karl Finkemeyer and I
were picked as the technical team
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On 29/12/2013 1:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote:
Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS.
Why? (Risking an advocacy
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On 29/12/2013 1:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote:
Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS.
Why? (Risking
On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 14:23:58 -0500, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
Rather, I would argue that it is the even more the powerful concept of DVM's,
Disconnected Virtual Machines, and the resulting ability for even ordinary
application developers, not just sysprogs, ...
Are you suggesting that I, as
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:36:46 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
Designing routines to co-operate in a pipeline is a very different
programming paradigm to what the vast majority of REXX programmers on
z/OS are familar with.
s/REXX //
Shane ...
Shane,
Not a difficult to we who worked VM or Linux...that's kind of a vague generation
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Dec 31, 2013, at 5:23 AM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:36:46 +0800, David
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes:
Not a difficult to we who worked VM or Linux...that's kind of a vague
generation
trivia ... I did internal adtech conf. spring '82 (week before share)
... it was first for a number of yrs since the corporate retrenching
after the failure of future
In 5c8fv3f78unypshw9tyopynk.1388251271...@email.android.com, on
12/28/2013
at 12:21 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS.
Rhat would seem to describe TSO as well. The only place where CMS has
a clear edge, IMHO, is XEDIT.
--
Shmuel
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On 2013-12-28, at 10:21, Charles Mills wrote:
The user-friendly interactive nature
In 07dd01cf055e$eb92e0d0$c2b8a270$@mcn.org, on 12/30/2013
at 07:59 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
It's really a separate topic, but I think there is little doubt
that it makes sense to edit code of any sort in some fast
character-at-a-time interactive environment even if the target
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:20:36 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
Most VMers claim that Rexx is superior on VM because of CMS pipes.
That's a pretty strong argument.
That's analogous to claiming that Rexx is superior on z/OS because
of address SYSCALL (others might say ISPEXEC/ISREDIT).
-- gil
Reifying personal preferences into claims of superiority is a lot like
arguing from a mystical experience. They may well be personally
compelling; but they don't persuade others.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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For
On 30/12/2013 11:11 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Most VMers claim that Rexx is superior on VM because of CMS pipes.
That's a pretty strong argument.
That's analogous to claiming that Rexx is superior on z/OS because
of address SYSCALL (others might say ISPEXEC/ISREDIT).
Perhaps. But pipes are
On 2013-12-28, at 10:21, Charles Mills wrote:
The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS.
How would you rank CMS vis-a-vis Unix System Services by
this criterion? Before USS was available I tended to edit
JCL on CMS with XEDIT; nowadays on Solaris, often accessing
legacy data sets with
I have my own edit system:
Use Vim to do editing and sytax highligting, auto complete, also Vim
calls ftp command and one shell to submit JCL that do send to z/OS and
call compiler.
Also intergrate with Cygwin can use a lot of GNU utility, such as
grep/awk/sed. I think the most powerful thing
On 29/12/2013 1:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote:
Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS.
Why? (Risking an advocacy thread.)
For me, one reason is the CMS HELP facility. In fact,
sometimes coding Rexx for z/OS I'll log on to CMS merely
to
On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote:
Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS.
Why? (Risking an advocacy thread.)
For me, one reason is the CMS HELP facility. In fact,
sometimes coding Rexx for z/OS I'll log on to CMS merely
to use HELP REXX instruction.
Other reasons?
--
The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS.
Charles
Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote:
Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS.
Why? (Risking an advocacy thread.)
For me, one
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