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On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:57
On Wed, 31 May 2023, at 12:57, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Keep? Still? I don't recall saying it more than once.
I thought (back in April) that I'd read your "are you sure you don't
mean in an old version of SMP, rather than SMP/E", comment at
least once before - possibly lots of years ago though.
On Wed, 31 May 2023, at 11:50, David Spiegel wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
> "...I've no idea if that is or was correct ..."
> Have you ever heard of the CSI (Consolidated Software Inventory)?
> This/these VSAM Dataset(s) has/have been part of SMP/e since the day it
> came out in the '80s.
Yes, of
Hi Gil,
"... Leading? In member names? I was told it was the result of UNPK of a
SVC number. ..."
Not leading, but trailing.
Regards,
David
On 2023-05-31 10:55, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:57:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I don't recall leading braces or hyphens in
On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:57:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
>I don't recall leading braces or hyphens in qualifiers,
>
Leading? In member names? I was told it was the result of UNPK
of a SVC number.
> ... but leading hyphens in member names used to work, and I was unhappy when
> IBM tightened
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Hi Jeremy,
"...I've no idea if that is or was correct ..."
Have you ever heard of the CSI (Consolidated Software Inventory)?
This/these VSAM Dataset(s) has/have been part of SMP/e since the day it
came out in the '80s.
Regards,
David
On 2023-05-30 18:20, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
On Tue, 30 May
On Tue, 30 May 2023, at 21:41, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> SMP/E uses VSAM
I've no idea if that is or was correct
> and doesn't have the wonky member names of SMP through SMP4.
You keep saying this ... and you're still wrong. I don't know why you're so
sure. Maybe it's changed since then
ent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 3:42 PM
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SMP/E uses VSAM and doesn't have the wonky member names of SMP through SMP4.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__
: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 10:44 AM
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SMP used to do this, and ISTR SMP/E does as well.
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:34 AM Schmitt, Michael
wrote:
> And IMS. MFS Formats have non-display and lower-case letters in the mem
>> Turned on both of the empty member options and it still does not allow input
>> under Prompt.
Charles,
I misunderstood your request. The prompt option is not available as it is
already provided in the EDIT menu itself. However, the panel ISREDM01 is NOT
updated with the prompt options
Turned on both of the empty member options and it still does not allow input
under Prompt.
This is with Edit -- ISPF 2. Works with DSLIST -- ISPF 3.4.
Charles
On Tue, 30 May 2023 17:00:50 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
>>> Interesting. The Edit member selection panel (ISPF 2 with a blank member
>> Interesting. The Edit member selection panel (ISPF 2 with a blank member
>> name) shows a Prompt heading but the fields are protected.
Charles,
You probably don’t have the option to edit empty members. Using option 0
(settings) from ISPF main menu and look at Member list options at the
@Sri and @Steve, thank you. Got it. From ISPF 3.4.
Interesting. The Edit member selection panel (ISPF 2 with a blank member name)
shows a Prompt heading but the fields are protected.
Charles
On Tue, 30 May 2023 16:39:53 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF
>>>1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF for reading member generations?
Charles,
There is no JCL support for member generations, but ISPF does provide the
support. Here is how you do it.
1. Allocate PDSE version 2 with maxgens defined at 20. Note your allocation
will fail if your
>From an "Extended" member list display (with the 8-char command field), you
can place a '/' in the Prompt field:
EDIT SAS00.MAIN.CNTLMember DEFDDIR1
saved
Command ===> Scroll ===>
CSR
Name Prompt
31%2FSHARE%2520Using%2520Member%2520Generations.pdf=AOvVaw3AfII9eO3h_kXWAw7fhdTk
Lennie
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I'll b
think you are.” - - - John Wooden
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Lack of better member generation support is the reason tha
a suspicion that IBM has been eschewing enhancements to
ISPF in favor of adding the functionality to File Manager instead.
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nard
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SMP used to do this, and ISTR SMP/E does as well.
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:34 AM Schmitt, Michael
wrote:
> And IMS. MFS Formats have non-display and lower-case letters in t
t; -Original Message-
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> Of Steve Thompson
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>
> I may not have edited these posts correctly for this, but,
: Two related member generation questions
I may not have edited these posts correctly for this, but, I
thought I should point out that an IBM product does create
"illegal" (per JCL) member names. And that would be Netview.
In years gone by I had seen member names that were really &quo
On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:18:48 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:
>I may not have edited these posts correctly for this, but, I
>thought I should point out that an IBM product does create
>"illegal" (per JCL) member names. And that would be Netview.
>
Also Binder with the CASE(MIXED) option.
>So yes,
I may not have edited these posts correctly for this, but, I
thought I should point out that an IBM product does create
"illegal" (per JCL) member names. And that would be Netview.
In years gone by I had seen member names that were really "odd"
and found out that it was Netview that was
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Well, I had
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Charles Mills
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Subject: Two related member generation questions
1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF for reading member generations? If I
want to reference or browse a PDSE 2 member
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:10:55 -0500, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>>Support for PDSE as a member* of a GDG was added in z/OS 2.1 or 2, iirc.
>>*(not to be confused with members of a PDS[E]
>
>And also not to be confused with PDSE 2 member generations, right?
>
>> maybe they could have
>> tried harder not
I'll bite: where is it hidden?
CM
On Mon, 29 May 2023 21:28:50 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>Yes, one of the "hidden secrets" of ISPF. I use it a lot, but you kind of
>have to be told it's there, and get used to it. It's very clunky.
Yes, one of the "hidden secrets" of ISPF. I use it a lot, but you kind of
have to be told it's there, and get used to it. It's very clunky.
FileManager has an option (3.15) called "PDSE Workbench" that displays
PDSEs with member generations very nicely, and provides comprehensive
compare tools.
ISPF supports PDSE member generations via the prompt menu. With this interface
the specific member generation can be browsed, edited and even saved as the
latest version.
On Mon, 29 May 2023 19:10:55 -0500, Charles Mills wrote:
>@Steve, thanks.
>
>>JCL provides no support at all for PDSE
z/OS offers very little PDSE 2 Generation support. Download
www.cbttape.org (file 969) for PDSEGEN utilities.
On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 4:57 PM Charles Mills wrote:
>
> 1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF for reading member generations? If
> I want to reference or browse a PDSE 2 member
@Steve, thanks.
>JCL provides no support at all for PDSE member generations.
Grumble, grumble. What about ISPF? I sure don't see it, but perhaps I am using
a customized ISPF? Or there is some option that is not turned on in the z/OS
that I am using?
>Support for PDSE as a member* of a GDG was
Well, I had to go read this. Here is what it says in the DFSMS
Using Data Sets Manual (z/OS 2.5) SC23-6855-50:
Data set organization of generation data sets
Generation data sets (GDSs) can be sequential, direct, or
partitioned data sets. *If you use PDSs or PDSEs**
**as generation data sets
Charles:
I think you are quite rightly confusing GDG ops with PDSE
Generations.
And, I have not read up enough on PDSE generations to know how
one deals with this in JCL. I just know they exist, but I've not
had the need to use them (unless it is pent up and one I now how
will realize the
"GDGs can be members of PDS or PDSE." -I can't even guess what you're
trying to say, but on the face of it, that's not only wrong, but absurd.
JCL provides no support at all for PDSE member generations.
Support for PDSE as a member* of a GDG was added in z/OS 2.1 or 2, iirc.
*(not to be confused
I can answer one part of this. GDGs can be members of PDS or PDSE. This has
been true for a long time. The actual generated member name is different than
for a GDG dataset.
Lloyd
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On Monday, May 29, 2023, 5:56 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
1. Is there any
1. Is there any support in JCL or in ISPF for reading member generations? If I
want to reference or browse a PDSE 2 member generation other than the latest,
is it possible to do so? Am I just missing the doc somewhere?
2. Is this not an error or at least an illogical statement in the JCL
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