> However, and this is important, anything and everything you do that uses
> authorized services entails exposure of system integrity. It behooves
> any organization to ensure that its personnel writing such code are
> well-trained and thoroughly knowledgeable about how the system works,
> is
I have copied the source code for Jol up to the www.Oscar-Jol.com
website. IBM examined and approved the code many years ago.
Jol effectively replaces the JCL interpretor and quite a lot of the
initiator when using Dynamic Allocation instead of JCL. It is part
compiler with PL/I style
I was thinking about my last post
First off let me say a little bit about background
I have had some experience with vendors but it’s very light
Doing this type of programming was my passions unfortunately for me I got into
it after 2000 when IT destabilized
I am fortunate to have a landed a
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 04:25:18 +, Chris Hoelscher wrote:
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>In Java you have other issues, every programming lanuaages has pluses and
>minuses..
>
>Indeed they do - without them, adding and subtracting would become quite
>difficult
>
What about COBOL ADD ... GIVING ...
... and LISP?
In Java you have other issues, every programming languages has pluses and
minuses..
Indeed they do - without them, adding and subtracting would become quite
difficult
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While I won't
, November 12, 2018 5:11 PM
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And that was my whole point -- Where are the examples for programmers to see
how to do
Whilst they may be a trifle dated, the Xephon MVS Update publications -
available on CBTTAPE - did hold a lot of coding examples covering many
aspects of the MVS system. In the past, I have used them to helpful effect.
The major issue I encountered was the absence of an index covering all the
While I really wish IBM really would have some better examples than what is in
SAMPLIB and SHASSRCE, you really can learn most of what you will need from
manuals and the rest of it is (unfortunately for me) trial and error. When you
are developing Systems programming code, if you son'e have an
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Speaking as a vendor.
There
Speaking as a vendor.
There are several interfaces that I had to invest a *lot* of time to get
working right. And using those interfaces is what makes my products
efficient and market worthy.
If I were to publish some of my interface code, some new guy would have
75% of a product that can
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Then the not-yet-available examples ought to include all the error recovery
infrastructure needed to assure the least system impact possible.
Like
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+1
Charles
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Just my $.02...
Back when I was learning to program I was told the best way to learn to
program well was to read well-written code.
Lou
--
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
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There are a large number of parts to make sure that things are done the right
way, and that a f
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:>There
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>Of course, all that isaancient history now. No university or education center
>offers anything like that anymore. Much more profitable to offer
>certification courses in Windows.
>
Marist? But still, a limited choice.
-- gil
gt; (peter.far...@broadridge.com) wrote about "Why are sophisticated
> system-level coding examples not available? [was: RE: Recommended
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> > Not jumping on Ed Jaffe or Peter Relson or any of the other
> > t
I was in several of the OCO sessions at SHARE. They were heated but in summary
there were two major points. Intellectual property(the clones were trying to
reverse engineer MVS), change control-Hursley was saying the large majority of
their problems were coming from modified IBM code. Our post
, 2018 at 1:56 PM David W Noon <
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> (peter.far...@broadridge.com) wrote about "Why are sophisticated
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n't be trying to use these techniques.
Peter
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On 11/12/2018 10:56 AM, David W Noon wrote:
I think most of the low-level techniques were derived from code seen on
the IBM-supplied microfiche (remember that?) that arrived with MVS
installation media. It would benefit the mainframe industry if
microfiche (or a more modern medium) were
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 10:52:02 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>+1
>I would say that sometimes right after a feature comes out there is a
>presentation at SHARE, e.g., "How to use the new PC-ss facility." That is not
>optimal if your first need to use PC-ss comes five or ten years after it first
>is
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:13:30 +, Farley, Peter X23353
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> Not jumping on Ed Jaffe or Peter
2, 2018 10:14 AM
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[was: RE: Recommended method for accessing secondary access spaces]
Not jumping on Ed Jaffe or Peter Relson or any of the other thoughtful and
helpful responders in this e
Not jumping on Ed Jaffe or Peter Relson or any of the other thoughtful and
helpful responders in this email chain, but it still rankles me that there are
no good examples anywhere (not at IBM and not at CBT) for programmers to review
that show exactly how to set up and use "SRB to the other
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