Alan Altmark wrote:
Well, it's been nigh on 40 years that CMS has been around. Seems like a
committment to me. CMS is here to stay. If all the people with z/OS
get z/VM and [re]discover CMS, who knows what might happen? Never say
die!
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#41 z/VM
By business as usual, I mean that IBM continually withdraws
products
from the marketplace, even some that people are using.
Granted. IBM has that privilege, no argument. We rarely force you to
change your mind on these issues (at least where it really counted,
somebody took a risk continuing
I'm setting a PER INST using the command:
diag(8,'PER INST RANGE ... CMD DISP ... TO.1000;BASEB')
Semicolon is, however, the CP LINEND character, so when the PER fires it isn't
working correctly: the BASEB is considered a new command.
So I set an ESCAPE character (tried both x'ff' and accent
Has anyone written a third party OS that can easily replace CMS? I mean, CMS,
despite being tightly integrated to all things VM, is in the final analysis,
just another Host OS isn't it? Surely over 40 years someone has written
something that can be used to replace it, perhaps something open
It's sad to accept that CMS won't be the application hosting solution in
the future -- I think it's a mistake, but like Mike Walter, this is a
battle we probably can't win, and pretty much it won't be a win to try.
So what do we do?
Well, I think I just said that I won't be around for the
Has anyone written a third party OS that can easily replace CMS?
None are easy replacements, but IMHO there are several possible
candidates:
MUSIC
Linux
Solaris (coming soon)
Only MUSIC is really CMS-like. The other two are obvious Unix
derivatives, and would require retooling or emulation of
I have a z/VM 5.2 install with several Linux guests running on a z890.
In the process of researching what it will take to get VM instance
talking to our VTS for backups, I'm finding that I am missing the
DFSMS/VM component from the original installation of z/VM 5.2. Can
anyone tell me how I go
Build it and they won't come. Show them how it makes their lives easier
and they WILL come -- lowering their TCO and buying more mainframe mips,
too.
z/VM is a collection of fabulous tools. Use the best tool for the job at
hand, sometimes: CMS.
Mike Walter
A prime example of doing
In an IBM-provided default virtual machine, the linened character is the
pound-sign (aka hash, the #).
Perhaps someone modified the setting for the virtual machine in which you
are entering this command.
To find out, issue: CP Query TERMinal
You can either change your command to comply with
Well - Linux works now, and can talk to all the CP services. Linux also comes
with Rexx (Regina), XEdit (THE Editor from Tim Hessling), and pipes that are
roughly equivalent to CMS Pipelines. Named pipes and message queues and such
are all available and under Linux and Solaris, very heavily
Umm... that's Mark Hessling.
Paul Raulerson wrote:
Well - Linux works now, and can talk to all the CP services. Linux also
comes with Rexx (Regina), XEdit (THE Editor from Tim Hessling), and
pipes that are roughly equivalent to CMS Pipelines. Named pipes and
message queues and such are all
On 5/7/07, Paul Raulerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well - Linux works now, and can talk to all the CP services. Linux also
comes with Rexx (Regina), XEdit (THE Editor from Tim Hessling), and pipes
that are roughly equivalent to CMS Pipelines. Named pipes and message queues
and such are all
If you used and still have the VM 5.2 tape(s) then you can just install it
from that. I think it comes on those tape(s). You will need to get the
Program Directory for DFSMS/VM and follow the directions. According some
individuals on this list, the product
hasn't changed or has changed very
Hi Mike --
Yep, I'm aware of that. It was I who changed it for this machine because
using # caused other (more frequent) problems. Using ; at least is
compatible with TSO, and I'd never known it give problems. I'd rather not
have to retrain the folks who use it: we had enough problems getting
Maybe you need to use x'15' (the linend character) instead and also
SET D8ONECMD OFF ?
On 5/7/07, Ian S. Worthington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mike --
Yep, I'm aware of that. It was I who changed it for this machine because
using # caused other (more frequent) problems. Using ; at least is
Normally, linends, escape etc are only active when handling terminal input.
For example, to enter 2 commands, you issue
CP Q T#IND USERon a terminal
call diag 8,'Q T' '15'x 'IND USER' in a REXX EXEC
However, there are exception, where these special characters are active (or
maybe only
On Monday, 05/07/2007 at 09:28 CET, Ian S. Worthington
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I issue it from the command line it's fine:
A ;B -- invokes two execs A and B
A `;B -- invokes the exec A passing ;B as an argument
I'm not familiar with the diag() interface though. Could that be
Many thanks Alan, I'll report it.
But, if I understand correctly I can work around the problem by unsetting
LINEND whilst I issue the TRACE? Or do I have that backwards?
ian
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Received: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:54:41 PM BST
From: Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday, 05/07/2007 at 11:56 CET, Ian S. Worthington
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many thanks Alan, I'll report it.
But, if I understand correctly I can work around the problem by
unsetting
LINEND whilst I issue the TRACE? Or do I have that backwards?
Correct. TERM LINEND OFF, set the
On Mon, 7 May 2007 13:20:43 -0400, George Haddad wrote:
Before I ever used VM a company where I worked had timeshare accounts at
NCSS using VP/CSS. Except for the personal disk being P instead of A,
it resembled CP/CMS quite a bit. I wonder if that ever got open-sourced?
For that matter, are
Yep, it is Mark indeed. My mistake. I should not type at work. :)
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich
Smrcina
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:15 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VM usability
Umm... that's Mark
No, I have looked, and CMS Pipelines are nice indeed. But then so are pipes
under UNIX; indeed, pipes are the very core of UNIX. If you are not annoyed
by discussing it, I would love to hear your opinions on what is so primitive
about UNIX. :)
Linux is more suitable in many ways; but that has a
Hi Everybody,
Just last week one of our production z/VM SPOOL volume got a device HW
error and we started to get the ff: error messages:
HCPPAH415E Six continuous paging errors have occurred on DASD 440E
volume 514SPL.
HCPVSS429E Console 0009 spool error; file held
Our system restarts by
Do you have both page and spool space on the same volume? That's not a good
idea.
Anyway, I would get off of that volume if possible. Drain it at the least.
_
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mikhael Ramirez Joaquin
Sent: Monday, May
Nope..the volume in error is exclusively for spool use only...Thanks!
_
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:03 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: SPOOL volume disk error
Do you have both page and spool space on the
What was the abend code when the system restarted?
What kind of disk is it?
Check the allocation map of the volume against the real size of the
pack. Was the pack initially formated or DDR-copied from somewhere
else?
The H/W error may have corrupted some of the formatted areas of the spool
pack. If that happened you would be able to use the disk for spool until
you reached the corrupted data or count area and then would take errors
again. Reformatting and reallocating the disk as you have planned will
Mikhael,
Cool name, but obviously, I am somewhat biased.
If memory serves, this same error message can occur when one or more of the
cylinders allocated as SPOL were not formatted with CPFMTXA (or ICKDSF, which
is called by CPFMTXA), which I did myself back around 1987 or so; or if one or
more
The message left in the operator console was:
SYSTEM RESTARTED PFE002 AND SYSTEM CONSOLE NOT VM OPERATOR CONSOLE
It's a 3390-Model-3 Symetrix.
The pack was already working before..just when the device error
encountered starts to appear the error messages.
Thanks
-Original Message-
Ok..thanks! will do!
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:32 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: SPOOL volume disk error
On Tuesday, 05/08/2007 at 10:43 ZE8, Mikhael Ramirez Joaquin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Mike,
Thanks!
The volume in error was previously working and has been formatted with
CPFMTXA. Just when the HW device error of the SPOOL volume it all
started to appear.
I am certain that no other volumes overlayed the SPOOL volume and when I
did the Q ALLOC SPOL display it is
On Tuesday, 05/08/2007 at 12:09 ZE8, Mikhael Ramirez Joaquin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The message left in the operator console was:
SYSTEM RESTARTED PFE002 AND SYSTEM CONSOLE NOT VM OPERATOR CONSOLE
It's a 3390-Model-3 Symetrix.
The pack was already working before..just when the device
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