Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Rich Smrcina
For your initial IPL at DR, you won't need your PAGE packs at all... yes, the IPL will complain. As long as AUTOLOG1/2 isn't kicking off lots of other machines at DR time, you'll be just fine. Then an exec can format the page volumes... re-ipl and all is good. You will need spool space, so you

shopz and RSU

2011-08-09 Thread Mark Pace
Shopz sends me an email anytime there is a new RSU available for z/OS. I've looked and have not found anywhere to get an email for when there is a new z/VM RSU. Does anyone know if this is possible? -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
No need to re-ipl .. just format the page volumes, allocate as page, label correctly and attach them to the system... Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Rich Smrcina r...@velocitysoftware.comwrote: For your initial IPL at DR, you won't need your PAGE packs at all... yes, the IPL

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.comwrote: No need to re-ipl .. just format the page volumes, allocate as page, label correctly and attach them to the system... Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Rich Smrcina r...@velocitysoftware.comwrote: For

Re: shopz and RSU

2011-08-09 Thread Bruce Hayden
What I do is register on the VM home page to be notified when a page changes. For example, for the z/VM 6.1 RSU, go to http://www.vm.ibm.com/service/rsu/stk610.html and then on the left side click notify me, You will get an e-mail when that page is changed. Do that for other releases and

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread gclovis
Anne: I worked with Disaster Recovery for about 10 years. Some observations: Real DR are different than Test DR: the major factor is Time. On a real disaster you don't have time to think, to plan, to execute... And have a lot of persons making pressure... So, the tip is: use the maximum of

Re: CMS/PDF

2011-08-09 Thread gclovis
For the youngers: ISPF means Interactive System Productivity Facility PDF in this case means Program Development Facility __ Clovis From: Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com To: IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu Date: 05/08/2011 13:45 Subject: Re: CMS/PDF

Hipersocket definition

2011-08-09 Thread Lu GL Gao
We have 2 LPARs in our environment. One is z/VM, the other is z/OS. Our requirement is to build connection between z/Linux running on z/VM and z/OS system. Therefore, I defined a new IQD type channel(E0 5000-5031) in IODF. The directory definition for z/Linux is:

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Mike Walter
NSSes (e.g. CMS, CMSFILES, CMSPIPES, and may more) can easily be backed up using SPXTAPE to write them to tape (preferably every night). Thus the restore at DR is pretty simple (as long as you are very careful to send a copy of the tapes off-site, along with a hardcopy listing of which NSS tape

Re: Hipersocket definition

2011-08-09 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
The same way as E0? Then in Linux you can “bond” the two interfaces, which will provide either load balancing or hot standby. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Lu GL Gao Sent:

Re: Hipersocket definition

2011-08-09 Thread Lu GL Gao
Frank, Thanks your reponse! You mean I just add 3 more DEDICATE statements in USER DIRECT? Like this for example: DEDICATE 7000 5004 DEDICATE 7001 5005 DEDICATE 7002 5003 DEDICATE 8000 6004 DEDICATE 8001 6005 DEDICATE 8002 6003 And bonding 2 interfaces to one IP in linux, right? Best

Re: Hipersocket definition

2011-08-09 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
Yes. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Lu GL Gao Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:34 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Hipersocket definition Frank, Thanks your

Re: Hipersocket definition

2011-08-09 Thread Lu GL Gao
Thank you! In addition, if I bond 2 interfaces(from 2 channels) in linux, does it means I have to also bond 2 channels in z/OS? Can z/OS bond like this? Best Regards! Gao Lu (高路) I/T Specialist Global Technology Services IBM Global Services (China) Company Limited. Address:18/F, Pangu Plaza,

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Kris Buelens
Not that you need the page packs to be able to IPL z/VM at the DR site. But, as you use adrdssu on z/OS to restore the z/VM packs, you could start some jobs on z/OS to run ICKDSF CPVOL FORMAT ... RANGE(0,xxx) TYPE(PAGE, 1,xxx). I guess that should work as ICKDSF is supposed to be the same on z/OS,

Re: Hipersocket definition

2011-08-09 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
Don’t know too much about the z/OS side, but my educated guess is NO. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Lu GL Gao Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:48 AM To:

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Crabtree, Anne D
Well… since we do not have tape drives available to our IFL, SPXTAPE, every night, is not feasible right now. I can “steal” a drive from z/os when necessary but not every night. It’s a good plan for when we get our VTS (in the works now) and have tape drives available all the time. We

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Tom Duerbusch
I backup everything. Why? In a real disaster, you don't have a system's programmer. Since you already have to document and teach how to do a standalone restore of the system packs, just repeat for the page/spool/tdisk packs. Formatting and allocating packs is another source of errors. And when

Re: Hipersocket definition

2011-08-09 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
To tell you the truth, I don’t think that redundancy in Hipersockets is necessary. (I’ve never had any problems with mine and since it’s all internal to the zSeries hardware, I doubt that there will ever be a problem.) Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Ron Schmiedge
Hi Anne, Our DR restores are done under a VM system that is available at the DR site. We include a spool offload tape (actually 2 of them, one for spare) with the NSS backups on it and a few PUN files on the same tape. One of those PUN files is the DSF commands necessary to format page and spool,

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Gentry, Steve
We backup cyl 0 (zero) of the page packs just to avoid having to run ICKDSF to put a label on the packs. We then, of course, restore that cyl 0 at DR. Steve From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Crabtree, Anne D Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:03

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
Don't you still need to format 1-END? In my experience, you can end up with paging errors if the dasd isn't initialized/formatted. Haven't tried just cylinder 0 though, so I could be wrong.. Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Gentry, Steve steve.gen...@westernsouthernlife.com

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread David Boyes
You will need spool space, so you might as well copy it (or keep a small spool area available only with the NSS files, JUST for DR). Time to resubmit that requirement for disk support for SPXTAPE.

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/09/2011 at 01:44 EDT, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote: I?ve done it both ways. If you have flashcopy in the disk hardware, the ?back up one, flash the others, clip the labels with DDR? is really, really efficient, and trivially easy to automate Note that CP

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread David Boyes
Note that CP FLASHCOPY has a LABEL option to let copy the disk and change the label in a single operation. If the target volumes have been PRE-labeled, you can use the SAVELABEL option. Do you happen to know if that requires a specific level of the flashcopy firmware, or is it done in CP? I

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Kris Buelens
David, CP doesn't need a PAGE pack to start: it can and will page in spool packs when PAGE is full or not existent. Only when spool is full too, then CP dies. 2011/8/9 David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net This method works fine, however, I’m wondering if backing up the page packs is necessary?

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread gclovis
Hi. No need, 0-END (or 1-END) is not mandatory. You can use only pieces of dasd for each type, but all referenced in alloc map, not PERM type, MUST be formatted. If not, you get the paging errors. To make a one-pack VM, have the VMRES mdisks, some cylinders for page and some for spool. The

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
Yes, I meant that you still need to format those allocated as PAGE (or any non PERM type).. I'm used to seeing full volumes so said 1-END.. Personally - I prefer to format/allocate in one step (single cpfmtxa format/allocate) Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM, gclo...@br.ibm.com

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread gclovis
David, I tried it with an old Shark (2105-F20) and works fine. With zVM 5.4, Lvl 1001. PS: This Flashcopy will be incorporated in the next version of the CLONEBKP package... __ Clovis From: David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net To:

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Michael Coffin
This is one of the great things about VM:Spool from CA, the AUTOVSEG component automatically monitors your SDF's, backs them up to disk whenever they change, and can automatically restore them if they are found missing (such as after a cold IPL). I agree, SPXTAPE to disk (CMS files) should have

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Michael Coffin
Hi Clovis, No need, 0-END (or 1-END) is not mandatory. A clearer way of saying this might be “you only need to CPFMTXA the cylinders you intend to use for PAGE”, since MOST shops use full packs for PAGE that’s why it was expressed as 0-END/1-END. :) Simply DDR’ing cylinder 0 of your PAGE

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Daniel Bewley
I know you can find it at the bottom of screen 8 (LPAR data) in PERFKIT, if that helps. -Daniel Bewley On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.comwrote: Is there away from VM to tell how many IFLs are installed on a z box? Not just defined to my LPAR but on the

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Is there away from VM to tell how many IFLs are installed on a z box?  Not just defined to my LPAR but on the entire box?  (as that is how IBM licenses sw!) (yes, more ILMT fun - want to automate ini file

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Marcy Cortes
Hi Rob, Is it calling them CPs For SAP(IOP)?: Taking the 21 minus 14... but that's wrong because of a zIIP. System CPU Overview System CPU Count 28 CPs Configured 14 CPs Active

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Tony Saul
The number of IFL's available to the VM LPAR can also be specified in the HMC, is that skewing your numbers? Regards, Tony --- On Wed, 10/8/11, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: From: Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com Subject: Re: How many IFLs on my box? To:

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Gentry, Steve
Normally, I suppose you would. But the packs are preformatted for us. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Don't you still need

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Marcy Cortes
Tony wrote: The number of IFL's available to the VM LPAR can also be specified in the HMC, is that skewing your numbers? I suspect this is why ILMT can't count all by itself and needs us to tell it. Marcy

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Feller, Paul
If someone in your shop has access to the IBM website that I call Server Resource Link it can tell you what is installed in the box. The display below is from one of our z10-EC boxes. It has 3 IFLs installed but z/VM lpar on the box is only allowed to see 2 of them. Running CPs: 5 Running

ESPF?

2011-08-09 Thread Lee Stewart
Hey anyone remember ESPF? Not sure if it was ever anywhere else, but it was on IBM tools disks back when... It was like the ISPF editor, but just a single module (I seem to remember) not the plump ISPF/PDF.. Is it still around anywhere? Could it make it to the download page? It would be a

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Marcy Cortes
I failed to mention that I wanted it from z/VM or Linux programmatically :( I do have a nice spreadsheet from our cap folks who do the Resource Link thing. Marcy -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Feller, Paul Sent:

Re: How many IFLs on my box?

2011-08-09 Thread Barton Robinson
This was in my share presentation today. I will have to look into how standby processor information is provided or should be reported. This shows the lpars, their processor types, and then it shows the activity by processor type, so for the 37 active processors on this system, it should be

Re: ESPF?

2011-08-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/09/2011 at 09:32 EDT, Lee Stewart lstewart.dsgr...@attglobal.net wrote: It would be a great easy way to help z/OS guys who are having to learn VM for Linux... How does changing editors helps someone learn VM? If someone is going to manage VM, they are going to need to be able