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Yep, I mean Linux Assembler application code driving 3270
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Laugh back at them - how much do you pay per month in z/OS
Where can these products be found?
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Hi, Paul.
P. Raulerson wrote:
z/VM is a OTC (One Time Charge in this case) product, listing at
something like $40K per IFL.
Actually, z/VM 5.2 is now priced at $22,500 (OTC) for one IFL engine. As
the number of engines licensed increases,the charge per engine
decreases. I have a document
for the info on z/VM 5.2 pricing - I was unaware the list pricing had
been reduced.
-Paul
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Hi, Paul.
P. Raulerson wrote
, November 08, 2006 1:29 PM
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Hi, Paul.
P. Raulerson wrote:
z/VM is a OTC (One Time Charge in this case) product, listing at
something like $40K per IFL.
Actually, z/VM 5.2 is now priced at $22,500 (OTC) for one IFL engine
The jaw dropper here was from the consultants that keep asking for the
mainframe budget figures over and over. They just couldn't believe that we
were operating what we have for the costs. The mantra then became
performance. Everything was suddenly so slow that almost no one could get
there work
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The real issue here appears to be political.
Conservatives believe privatizing government will make government
smaller.
No one ever said it would be cheep.
Conservatism as you described is simply cronyism: yeah, it costs
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The jaw dropper here was from the consultants that keep asking for the
mainframe budget figures over
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The jaw dropper here was from
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So counter propose a zSeries based solution - say using Linux in an IFL and
DB/2 with some kind of Client/Server application. IBM has some GREAT support
for that now.
Also talk to people like Dave Rivers (SY
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So counter propose a zSeries based solution - say using Linux in
an IFL and DB/2 with some kind of Client/Server application. IBM has
some GREAT support for that now.
Also talk to people like Dave Rivers
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So counter propose a zSeries based solution - say using Linux in an IFL and
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linux users on a 3270? really? tell me more! assembler? Do you mean
assembler code in the linux virtual machines? VSAM? Why?
Dvid
Paul
And so it begins,
Management has decided after a year of thinking that the era of the
mainframe is over here. The final I's are being doted, T's being
crossed on a monster contract to replace our main application with a
Computer Off The Shelf product. I love that acronym. COST or costs more is
-mail and delete
the e-mail from your system.
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And so
Steve_Domarski
Wrote:
And so it begins,
Management has decided after a year of thinking that the era of
the
mainframe is over here.
I think it is not just beginning but
is well under way in most places. Part of this is a sort of 'religious
belief' in the conventional wisdom that
Having been there myself, your best bet is to find yourself a new
position ASAP. If they still need your services, they may be able to get
you for a few hours a week at a nice hourly rate. Don't be a victim of
their bad decision making - take advantage of it in every possible way.
Ray Mrohs
Steve,
Your email is very interesting. Here, there are two issues that are
determining the future of mainframe and client/server Open systems
environment (ie UNIX).
The first issue is the philosophical issue that it can be done
cheaper on client/server. Management refuses to look at the
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The first issue is the philosophical issue that it can be done
cheaper on client/server. Management refuses to look at the total
cost of operation (TCO
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On top of that is back up power supply. We are increasing our UPS
and other back up power supplies over the next several years. They
wont look at what increasing the servers are doing to other requirements.
They simply see the cost of the mainframe is x.They never see
the cost of
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... Yet I can do anything they ask with in a
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... It's been a joy to build and maintain
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That's been my experience as well. Before working here at a state-funded
U, I spent some 12 years in the private sector, at 3 large
corporations, one financial, one telecom, and one energy. The degree of
non-nonchalance in spending huge amounts of $$$ compared to the
shoe-string budgets here
I agree with Colin in that the decline in mainframe usage is partly the
herd wisdom picked up from the seatback airline magazines starting
around 1990 +/-. The other part is that IBM has, once again, shot
itself in the foot with software. There is a mindset in IBM that goes
back, in my
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