Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-02-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 02/01/2008 at 02:03 EST, Chip Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh man, I *HATE* it when that happens... :-) Dennis, I commend your courage and candor. We've all been there, and sometimes managed to slink away unnoticed with an only slightly flattened forehead. Just think of all

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-31 Thread Dennis_Schaffer
I thought I'd provide an update and closure to this S213 abend issue. The solution was actually pretty embarrassing. The solution was to vary the device offline/online to the correct z/OS system. I had recognized the need to vary the device offline/online before I even solicited input from

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-31 Thread Chip Davis
Oh man, I *HATE* it when that happens... :-) Dennis, I commend your courage and candor. We've all been there, and sometimes managed to slink away unnoticed with an only slightly flattened forehead. Just think of all the valuable insight we all gained about VM VTOC records from your

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-21 Thread Kris Buelens
I sent Dale a TYPE of two cyl 0 head 0 (one of z/VM 5.3 and one of an ICKDSF CPVOL-ed Tdisk) 2008/1/18, Dale R. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The VTOC should start right after the volume label. The first record in the VTOC should be the FMT4 (Format-4) DSCB record. The second record in the VTOC

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-21 Thread Dale R. Smith
Thanks Kris! I was wrong about the location of the Format-4 DSCB, it doesn't always follow immediately after the volume label record. The volume label record is always the third record on cylinder 0 track 0. Th e volume label record has a pointer to the first record in the VTOC, (which is

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-21 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 01/21/2008 at 10:02 EST, Dale R. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The x'05050505' in the KEY area indicates that this is a Format-5 DSCB. Immediately following the key identifier, the x'0001' is the first free track available, (relative to the beginning of the volume). The x''

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Dale R. Smith
IIRC, ICKDSF CPVOLUME FORMAT is supposed to set the FMT5 DSCB in the VTOC for a volume to indicate that there is no free space on the volume. The FMT4 DSCB should contain the size of the volume. I'm not sure what DITTO is looking at, but z/OS should be using the FMT5 DSCB. What does a

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Dennis Schaffer
Dale, I hope I don't lose your interest; it will be sometime next week before I can get that information because (1 I can't IPL it due to bad HMC-SE connectivity which occurred last night; the processor is in another city and (2 it will be next week before we get network connectivity for the

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Said, Nick
I had the same problem at my shop a few months ago - new z/VM 5.3 implementation backing up with FDR on z/OS. The problem is a missing dummy VTOC on cylinder 0 that FDR depends on - S213 abend if it doesn't find it. You must format cylinder 0 using CPFMTXA. Just make sure you run an ALLOCATE after

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Dale R. Smith
The VTOC should start right after the volume label. The first record in the VTOC should be the FMT4 (Format-4) DSCB record. The second record in the VTOC should be the FMT5 (Format-5) DSCB record. Here is a pointer to the layout of the Format-4 DSCB: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Schuh, Richard
- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:35 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR Same here (for a VM resident) DITTO/ESA for VM DVT - Display VTOC

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Kris Buelens
DDR TYPE of cyl 0, track0 is still a lot of data. One should know which fields to display. 2008/1/18, Dale R. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IIRC, ICKDSF CPVOLUME FORMAT is supposed to set the FMT5 DSCB in the VTOC for a volume to indicate that there is no free space on the volume. The FMT4 DSCB

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 01/18/2008 at 10:49 EST, Said, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem at my shop a few months ago - new z/VM 5.3 implementation backing up with FDR on z/OS. The problem is a missing dummy VTOC on cylinder 0 that FDR depends on - S213 abend if it doesn't find it. You

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-18 Thread Kris Buelens
Before trying to fix (if required) the packs of your new VM system, use ICKDSK CPVOL FORMAT on a spare pack and see if FDR likes that better. Because, I'd think that when the z/VM 5.3 disks were created at IBM, the same ICKDSF was being used. I also suppose that the process to create the INSTDVD

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
Dennis, This appears to be a problem with FDR. I have used it to backup various VM DASD for over 20 years. I suggest you contact Innovation. Jim This message w/attachments (message) may be privileged, confidential or proprietary, and

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Kris Buelens
VM doesn't use VTOCs to describe disk contents; the CP directory tells which cylinders are allocated as minidisks, and the CP allocation map tells CP which cylinders to use for PAGE, SPOOL, etc. I'll send you a document with some extra information about this subject. The FTP based installation

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread William Boyer
I use FDR to backup my current z/VM 510 system. However, you need to make sure you are using FDR and not FDRABR. Here is part of the JCL I use to backup the z/VM system. //VMDUMP EXEC PGM=FDR,REGION=0M, //PARM='DUMP TYPE=FDR' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Macioce, Larry
. Don't know it this helps Mace From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:42 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Macioce, Larry
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:42 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR VM doesn't use VTOCs to describe disk contents; the CP directory tells which cylinders are allocated as minidisks

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Dennis Schaffer
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:42 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR VM doesn't use VTOCs to describe disk contents; the CP directory tells which cylinders are allocated as minidisks, and the CP

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Marcy Cortes
Of Kris Buelens Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:42 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR VM doesn't use VTOCs to describe disk contents; the CP directory tells which cylinders are allocated as minidisks, and the CP allocation map tells

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Schuh, Richard
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:42 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR VM doesn't use VTOCs to describe

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Jim Bohnsack
Dennis--If I remember correctly, you'll also have to be able to do a DIRECTXA to reload the directory. I think there is a pointer on cyl 0 that points to the current system directory even tho the DRCT allocated area is somewhere else. I may be wrong, but just in case Jim Dennis

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Kris Buelens
Yes indeed: There are two hex values for DRCT (maybe not exact): X'40' inactive DRCT cylinder; X'C0' active DRCT cylinder. ICKDSF ALLOCATE writes X'40' for DRCT, and CP won't find an active DRCT anymore. 2008/1/17, Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dennis--If I remember correctly, you'll also

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 01/17/2008 at 09:42 EST, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VM doesn't use VTOCs to describe disk contents; the CP directory tells which cylinders are allocated as minidisks, and the CP allocation map tells CP which cylinders to use for PAGE, SPOOL, etc. After a CPFMTXA

Re: S213 Abend Backing Up 530RES Using z/OS FDR

2008-01-17 Thread Kris Buelens
Same here (for a VM resident) DITTO/ESA for VM DVT - Display VTOC Line 1 of 2 Unit 0130 VFRRES 3390 with 3339 cyls, 15 trks/cyl, 58786 bytes/trk --- Data Set Name ---Ext Begin-endReltrk, 1...5...10...15...20...25...30. seq Cyl-hd Cyl-hd