Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Rich Smrcina
For your initial IPL at DR, you won't need your PAGE packs at all... yes, the IPL will complain. As long as AUTOLOG1/2 isn't kicking off lots of other machines at DR time, you'll be just fine. Then an exec can format the page volumes... re-ipl and all is good. You will need spool space, so you

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
No need to re-ipl .. just format the page volumes, allocate as page, label correctly and attach them to the system... Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Rich Smrcina r...@velocitysoftware.comwrote: For your initial IPL at DR, you won't need your PAGE packs at all... yes, the IPL

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.comwrote: No need to re-ipl .. just format the page volumes, allocate as page, label correctly and attach them to the system... Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Rich Smrcina r...@velocitysoftware.comwrote: For

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread gclovis
...@velocitysoftware.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 09/08/2011 09:13 Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU For your initial IPL at DR, you won't need your PAGE packs at all... yes, the IPL will complain. As long as AUTOLOG1/2

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Mike Walter
, not my employer's. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Hans Rempel Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:36 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Hi Anne: I have never been in a real DR situation but enough DRs were we did

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Kris Buelens
*To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: z/vm page packs at DR ** ** Hi Anne: I have never been in a real DR situation but enough DRs were we did have a time limit to complete. Today we have high capacity/fast tapes so I would follow Clovis suggestion. Start tape restores and put your

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Crabtree, Anne D
are mine alone, not my employer's. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Hans Rempel Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:36 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Hi Anne: I have never been in a real DR situation but enough DRs were

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Tom Duerbusch
I backup everything. Why? In a real disaster, you don't have a system's programmer. Since you already have to document and teach how to do a standalone restore of the system packs, just repeat for the page/spool/tdisk packs. Formatting and allocating packs is another source of errors. And when

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Ron Schmiedge
Hi Anne, Our DR restores are done under a VM system that is available at the DR site. We include a spool offload tape (actually 2 of them, one for spare) with the NSS backups on it and a few PUN files on the same tape. One of those PUN files is the DSF commands necessary to format page and spool,

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Gentry, Steve
We backup cyl 0 (zero) of the page packs just to avoid having to run ICKDSF to put a label on the packs. We then, of course, restore that cyl 0 at DR. Steve From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Crabtree, Anne D Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:03

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
Don't you still need to format 1-END? In my experience, you can end up with paging errors if the dasd isn't initialized/formatted. Haven't tried just cylinder 0 though, so I could be wrong.. Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Gentry, Steve steve.gen...@westernsouthernlife.com

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread David Boyes
You will need spool space, so you might as well copy it (or keep a small spool area available only with the NSS files, JUST for DR). Time to resubmit that requirement for disk support for SPXTAPE.

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/09/2011 at 01:44 EDT, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote: I?ve done it both ways. If you have flashcopy in the disk hardware, the ?back up one, flash the others, clip the labels with DDR? is really, really efficient, and trivially easy to automate Note that CP

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread David Boyes
Note that CP FLASHCOPY has a LABEL option to let copy the disk and change the label in a single operation. If the target volumes have been PRE-labeled, you can use the SAVELABEL option. Do you happen to know if that requires a specific level of the flashcopy firmware, or is it done in CP? I

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Kris Buelens
David, CP doesn't need a PAGE pack to start: it can and will page in spool packs when PAGE is full or not existent. Only when spool is full too, then CP dies. 2011/8/9 David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net This method works fine, however, I’m wondering if backing up the page packs is necessary?

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread gclovis
: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Don't you still need to format 1-END? In my experience, you can end up with paging errors if the dasd isn't initialized/formatted. Haven't tried just cylinder 0 though, so I could be wrong.. Scott

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Scott Rohling
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 09/08/2011 14:19 Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU -- Don't you still need to format 1-END? In my experience, you can end up with paging errors if the dasd isn't

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread gclovis
@listserv.uark.edu Date: 09/08/2011 15:12 Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu Note that CP FLASHCOPY has a LABEL option to let copy the disk and change the label in a single operation. If the target volumes have been PRE-labeled, you can use

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Michael Coffin
: Re: z/vm page packs at DR You will need spool space, so you might as well copy it (or keep a small spool area available only with the NSS files, JUST for DR). Time to resubmit that requirement for disk support for SPXTAPE.

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Michael Coffin
scott.rohl...@gmail.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 09/08/2011 14:19 Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU _ Don't you still need to format 1-END? In my experience, you can end up with paging errors if the dasd

Re: z/vm page packs at DR

2011-08-09 Thread Gentry, Steve
Normally, I suppose you would. But the packs are preformatted for us. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z/vm page packs at DR Don't you still need