VDISK vs TDISK (was Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.)

2009-09-18 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Kris Buelens kris.buel...@gmail.com wrote: Using V-disks: less I/O involved: no CP format, and CMS format doesn't need to write nK data blocks all over the disk.  But, V-disk pages are considered as shared storage by CP. So, V-disk pages may stay longer in

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-18 Thread Gentry, Stephen
- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. The simplest mode of recovering data from a T-disk in CMS requires only

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-18 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com wrote: Just did a quick test on a test VM system.  CLEAR_TDisk is enabled. With a T-DISK size of 1300 cylinders, clearing/formatting it isn't noticed, speed wise.  Would have thought I would have gotten a

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-18 Thread Gentry, Stephen
: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:49 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com wrote

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Schuh, Richard
. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. On Wednesday, 09/16

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
] TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. If you have the page space to support it, you can get by without TDSK space by using V-disk. It is always cleared very quickly, by CP, before it is used and does not pose the security problems that you find in T-disk. A large V-disk is also faster to format

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Gentry, Stephen
[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:15 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. What security problems in T-Disk? If you enable Clear_TDisk, there's no security problem. Even if the system

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Schuh, Richard
: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:29 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. I guess I should have read Richard's response closer. So, I'll echo Dennis's question as well. What security problem? We do not have CLEAR_TDisk enabled. Every time we define a t

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Tom Rae
Without CLEAR_Tdisk enabled, whatever data the last user stored in T-DISK space is still present when it is allocated to the next user. To successfully use the space with CMS you will most likely have to format it, unless the boundaries of your TDISK allocation exactly overlay the previous

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Gentry, Stephen
Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Rae Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:05 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. Without CLEAR_Tdisk enabled, whatever data the last user stored in T-DISK space is still present when

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Schuh, Richard
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Rae Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:05 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. Without CLEAR_Tdisk enabled, whatever data the last user

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Kris Buelens
[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Rae Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:05 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. Without CLEAR_Tdisk enabled, whatever data the last user stored in T-DISK space is still present when

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 09/17/2009 at 04:00 EDT, Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com wrote: As mentioned in my question below, we have to format the defined temp minidisk every time. So, from that point of view, the data is gone. I didn't think of the DDR situation. However, a class G user

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread David Boyes
On 9/17/09 5:18 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: If I get my way, ENABLE CLEAR_TDISK will become the default and you won't be able to change it. :-) Want a requirement? 8-) -- db

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Schuh, Richard
: Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. As far as I know, without Clear_Tdisk, CP still formats the first cylinder of a T-disk, so ACCESS will always fail even if you'd get a T-disk at the same place as the previous user. But, with DDR or alike one could still find raw data on other cylinders

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-17 Thread Shimon Lebowitz
I seem to remember a thread from long ago that discussed unchangeable defaults. :-) Original message Date:   Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:18:30 -0400 From:   Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com Subject:   Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. To:   IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU On Thursday, 09

TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-16 Thread Gentry, Stephen
There is an option in the SYSTEM CONFIG file to clear the T-DISK. It is in the FEATURES list and CLEAR_TDISK can be either ENABLED or DISABLED. The manual states that it clears only cylinder 0 (zero) or the first eight blocks on the temporary minidisk when it detaches the minidisk. Do they mean

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-16 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
at chess, but it was no match for me in kickboxing. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Gentry, Stephen Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 14:10 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question. There is an option

Re: TDISK and SYSTEM CONFIG question.

2009-09-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 09/16/2009 at 07:14 EDT, Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com wrote: Further, and in the same manual, it states that you can clear each T-DISK before it is reassigned. It depends on your point of view but this seems contradictory. Clear, in my opinion, means