Gudmar's interview is here:
http://iceryder.net/radioshow.html
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
>> >>> You know, I actually think we on this list could
>> potentially be a
>> powerful force for change. I think that if we all
>> ganged up on "them
>> biddies" - you know who I mean - we could set some
>> changes in motion. But we
>> would have to
>> cooperate to get something good down in writ
--- Kim Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Courtesy of the USIHC, what do you think about this
> definition?
>
>
http://www.icelandics.org/checklist.html#naturaltolter
>
This part is pretty good:
"Tolt
This is the four-beat, lateral gait of the Icelandic
Horse, which is very comfortable to
what a doll! raven
Courtesy of the USIHC, what do you think about this
definition?
http://www.icelandics.org/checklist.html#naturaltolter
"Natural Tolter
This term is sometimes used to refer to a horse whose
favorite gait is tolt. This horse might be more
difficult to get into trot and/or canter (the
Icelandic Hor
what a very pretty girl. raven
>> Why do we
>> continue to have such an
>> expensive system to participate in?
>
> I think that's exactly it:)
We don't HAVE to accept that system.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> You know, I actually think we on this list could
> potentially be a
> powerful force for change. I think that if we all
> ganged up on "them
> biddies" - you know who I mean - we could set some
> changes in motion. But we
> would have to
> coopera
>>> You know, I actually think we on this list could potentially be a
powerful force for change. I think that if we all ganged up on "them
biddies" - you know who I mean - we could set some changes in motion. But we
would have to
cooperate to get something good down in writing.
We should work on i
> here. She ponied him out with his friend Otur and as they went faster he
> was in gait most of the time. She is going to try and get some short
> videos.
Wonderful! This will be great for us to learn from!
> When I started driving Segull he always offered tolt when asked to speed
> up.
>
Beautiful!!!
Renee
> Does anyone think there's a realistic chance the USIHC would ever
> entertain an alternate evaluation system?
>
>>> Haha!
>
> Yeah, I was kinda afraid that would be the reaction...
>
I don't know, things change, eventually.
>
> I think it doesn't hurt for us to talk about it, and at
> transportation costs.
>
> Does anyone think there's a realistic chance the USIHC would ever entertain
> an alternate evaluation system?
>
> Karen Thomas
Not until there is a substantial "change of guards".
Anneliese
Does anyone think there's a realistic chance the USIHC would ever
entertain an alternate evaluation system?
>>Haha!
Yeah, I was kinda afraid that would be the reaction...
>>>I don't know, things change, eventually.
I think it doesn't hurt for us to talk about it, and at least try to
visua
> But, we have to be willing to talk about it, and maybe help each other
> analyze some videos. I'm getting excited - I'm hearing more people than
> ever willing to talk about Icelandic's doing other comfortable soft gaits
> that may not literally be "tolt". Maybe things ARE starting to change...
> How (and/or with what) do you treat the rain rot?
Hi Pat:
I did give my colt an iodine bath a few weeks ago when
the weather permitted. It has been a very warm winter
here in WV and we even had temps into the high 60's.
I have also been putting an iodine based solution
called Xenodine on it
>>>I´m attaching a pic that are not very ucommon sight foal gaiting
Nice picture!
Can you clarify the above? Not sure what you meant. Did you mean that it is
not very common to see a foal gaiting, or that it IS common to see a foal
gaiting? or ??
Thanks!
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://cli
>> mother not and this is
what we often are looking for.(can also tell you
that the mother is 5 gaited with only 7 for trot
Which back leg is which for the mare?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
> made a nice dry paddock for us...my boys after they rolled around,
Trish, I've forgotten... have we seen closeups of their clips?
Charm's clip has made a world of difference for her. She's not nearly as
sweaty!
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
If you can do a video and then view it frame by frame you should be
able to discover exactly what is making his trot so comfortable.
Isn't it wonderful that we have these great little digital cameras and sites
like YouTube? I think isolating what defines a trot versus foxtrot will be
key in
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why do we
> continue to have such an
> expensive system to participate in?
I think that's exactly it:)
>
> Does anyone think there's a realistic chance the
> USIHC would ever entertain
> an alternate evaluation system?
>
Haha!
I don't know, t
> Mandy is in California right now working with some of our horses at Barbara
> Owens. She is just starting Undri - the pinto stallion that was raised
> here. She ponied him out with his friend Otur and as they went faster he
> was in gait most of the time. She is going to try and get some short
>>> I initially became interested in the Icelandics because I'm fascinated
by equine color genetics, and that this breed has, I think, virtually every
color known to horsedom, and then of course their wonderful *horseness*, if
you know what I mean, I find very attractive, just the pure naturalness
>>> I could not agree more! By the way, are you a member of the USIHC?
Perhaps you could start working on them to put your suggestions into
practice.
Not any more - I let my membership lapse. I'd love to see a simpler but
more to the point set of standards go into effect, ones that wouldn't be so
>
> I'm technically in the town of Tivoli, although I'm much closer to
> Elizaville, which is at the northeastern corner of Dutchess County, right on
> the Columbia County line. I'm about 10 minutes north of Rhinebeck and about
> 20 minutes from Pine Plains... 25 minutes south of Hudson... It's
--- pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He doesn't
> react badly or move away from being saddled.I do
> wonder if he's
> ticklish so tried brushing harder but he doesn't
> like that either.
>
Some horses are just more sensitive than others. We
had one mule who was extremely sensitive in
>>> and somehow I got the feeling that this is rather uncommon in your
breeding stock in US or you maybe look at it from the wrong perspective or
what to call it.
I think it depends on where you look in the USA, Malin. I've been lucky
that I met my first Icelandic at Anneliese's so I saw very nic
>>> Now Karen: You know that "BLUNT" is my middle name. And I do speak up if
no one else does it before I do. Anneliese
Yes, Ma'am...I know! Seriously, I feel sorry for the list members who have
never gotten to meet you. That's why I wish you'd post more often. You've
been in this breed for s
> I think he likes me :-) ...he will come stand with me when I am in his
> paddock and follow me around when I'm picking up poop, he nickers to me
> as soon as he sees me in the morning and follows me along the fence
> line. I've had him for almost 3 years and he's always been like this
> which i
> That's too bad Anneliese. If Cara has the guts she may decide to
> breed Elska again, but that will be when she has her own acreage and
> can fret over her every day like I did.
>
> As for Gusti's trot, I have no intention of ever fixing it. I love
> it, I just want to know what it is...
>
>
> Well, bring him down to try my saddles! I have a BMSS, the Barefoot
> Cheyenne - similar to the Arizona, and now the Hybrid Sensation.\\
Thanks, Karen, when the time comes, I will definitely do that
> And did you happen to see the two treed western saddles that Liz Graves
> brought down for
Hi Wanda,
>But wouldn't it be interesting to see how a horse moves without the
>interference of a rider??? But with some control of speed and
>direction provided by the handler...
Mandy is in California right now working with some of our horses at Barbara
Owens. She is just starting Undri - the
Hi Trish,
>What does it mean when a horse moves away as soon as I start brushing,
>especially the chest area? I've tried a lighter touch and a stronger
>touch and my horse does not seem to like to be groomed. He has had
>chiro work and did not have any major issues.
I would say the horse is
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> If we're going to talk about what's best for the horses, we WILL step on
> some people's toes. So what...? I'm a big girl and I can handle being
> stepped on, and I can step right back if I need to. I hope Gudmar, and
> Clinton Anderson, and Pat Parelli are no more fragile than I am... :) I
Anneliese Virro wrote:
>
> Well, Trish:
>
> Horses are individuals and even though horses "in general" like to be
> brushed (mine stand in line try to push each-other away when they see me
> with a brush in hand) I can certainly see that some don't like it.
>
> How long have you had this horse? Cou
> Horses are individuals and even though horses "in general" like to be
> brushed (mine stand in line try to push each-other away when they see me
> with a brush in hand) I can certainly see that some don't like it.
>
> How long have you had this horse? Could it be that is not used to being
> bru
--- Ingvar Ragnarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> you have been talking about gaits at liberty here.
>
> and somehow I got the feeling that this is rather
> uncommon in your breeding stock in US
> or you maybe look at it from the wrong perspective
> or what to call it.
>
Do you mean our I
>> So Denise, what town do you live in or near?<
[Brackets point >>>INTO<<< the quoted text.]
I'm technically in the town of Tivoli, although I'm much closer to
Elizaville, which is at the northeastern corner of Dutchess County, right on
the Columbia County line. I'm about 10 minutes n
> I can think of a couple of ways to vastly streamline those "strict" rules:
> ban all boots, and encourage barefoot. If a "breeding" horse needs
> "protective" boots and/or shoes, IMO, he/she already has two strikes against
> him/her as a breeding animal. This would not only streamline the adher
I have personally bought 5 horses from Gudmar. Four of which are absolutely
wonderful. One he took back after 2 years because he did not work out for
me. Gudmar definitely does not know everything but tries to be fair. He is
definitely not cheap but he has not lied to me in any way about
> sure! the pic was taken a few months ago, when i was having a riding
> lesson. i strongly suspect from my cranky little face that my instructor
> had asked me to trot, and stjarni was tolting anyway :)
>
> thanks!
> --vicka
I was trying to find a pic of Hreggur and I taken during a riding
less
> My Milla was like that, buttery soft trot that you sit for miles and miles.
> I decided to not ever work on tolt with her because I did not want to tamper
> with that. With what I have been reading on the list, I suspect now that is
> was not 100% clear two beat but somehow "broken". Too late to
On 1/12/07 5:03 PM, "pippa258" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anneliese Virro wrote:
>> No, grooming and keeping a horse looking beautiful is certainly not abusive.
>> Horses love the attention and the interaction with people and grooming feels
>> good to them.
> What does it mean when a horse move
> Thanks I *really* have been lurking ... and learning a lot. Nope,
> I'm a New Yawker, I live in the mid Hudson Valley region, which is seriously
> berefit of Icelandics (at least to my knowledge)... although I did discover
> a few Fjords nearby recently. I know that doesn't count here
So
> Hi Denise,
>
> How (and/or with what) do you treat the rain rot?
> Pat
I am not Denise but know about treating rain rot: plain old diluted iodine -
take 1 part 1percent iodine and dilute with 1 part water. If it is warm and
your horse has rain rot in many places, you can add iodine to the s
> I've only seen Gusti trot since he was a baby too. However, now that
> he's older and uner saddle his trot is to die forI think I've
> described it as being like butter.
>
> I want to anlayze that trot and find out if there is something my
> naked eye isn't seeing.
Wanda:
My Milla was li
Judy Ryder wrote:
>> What does it mean when a horse moves away as soon as I start
>> brushing,especially the chest area?
>>
>
> Ljufur had his preference for the type of brush used, as well as the touch.
> Could be your horse might like a different bristle? or prefers a metal
> comb?
>
>
> I'll try to get some videos, too. I'll be taking off for a week or so, so
> I'm not sure if I can do them before leaving.
> Judy
> http://icehorses.net
> http://clickryder.com
I'm gone for the weekend as wellso I'll see what I can get next week.
Wanda
>>> sure! the pic was taken a few months ago, when i was having a riding
lesson. i strongly suspect from my cranky little face that my instructor
had asked me to trot, and stjarni was tolting anyway :)
Ok, but remember that I asked permission, ok? :) I'm replying in detail,
hopefully to clarif
Here is a photo of my stallion today out in the snow.
Cheryl
ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm
Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
website: www.toltallyice.com
Idaho
> What does it mean when a horse moves away as soon as I start brushing,
> especially the chest area? I've tried a lighter touch and a stronger
> touch and my horse does not seem to like to be groomed. He has had
> chiro work and did not have any major issues.
Ljufur had his preference for the
On 1/12/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't say YOU said it Cheryl. In fact, I don't remember hearing you
> mention having a horse evaluated since I've been on the list, so I wouldn't
> expect to glean that sort of detail from you. When I ran those numbers in
> my head, I u
Karen, I DID NOT SAY anything about TRAINING.
>
> I didn't say YOU said it Cheryl.
You you included a quote from my post. If it wasn't a direct reply to what I
said, maybe it would be helpful if you left my statement out of your reply.
Cheryl
ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm
>>>Denise, I've enjoyed your coming out of lurkdom today. :)
BTW, are you Denise in WV, who owns Arora and the other horses we've seen
pictures of? I can't place another Denise on the list (maybe you've REALLY
been lurking!)
Thanks I *really* have been lurking ... and learning
> I want to anlayze that trot and find out if there is something my
> naked eye isn't seeing.
This is a good idea, Wanda.
I'll try to get some videos, too. I'll be taking off for a week or so, so
I'm not sure if I can do them before leaving.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can think of a couple of ways to vastly streamline
> those "strict" rules:
> ban all boots, and encourage barefoot. If a
> "breeding" horse needs
> "protective" boots and/or shoes, IMO, he/she already
> has two strikes against
> him/her as a breedi
Anneliese Virro wrote:
> No, grooming and keeping a horse looking beautiful is certainly not abusive.
> Horses love the attention and the interaction with people and grooming feels
> good to them.
What does it mean when a horse moves away as soon as I start brushing,
especially the chest area? I
> WHAT KIND OF TREELESS IS THAT AGAIN?
It is a Barefoot Arizona. I a made sure that it isn't poking him in the
flanks like my other western saddle was. It is floppy like Karen
said. And it isn't pinching him around the withers. Lorraine
Is trotting on a lunge good for what you want to see? Slower trot or
faster trot or both? I have to wait unitl we are out of the deep freeze -
maybe next weekend.
That's where I THINK we may hit a problem for horses like Andi who tend
towards trot - I think it's often harder for a horse to
> >Love my new treeless. You'll have to excuse the sheet under the
pad. I
> >was trying it out. I will send new pictures later. Lorraine
>
> Looks like a nice saddle but I wonder if it is too long for Scooter?
I have seen much bigger saddles on Icelandics on the website. We
are comfortable
> Is trotting on a lunge good for what you want to see? Slower trot or faster
> trot or both? I have to wait unitl we are out of the deep freeze - maybe
> next weekend.
>
> Susan in NV
I don't think the lunge line would encourage gaiting. I could be
wrong though. That's sort of why I had Da
> How (and/or with what) do you treat the rain rot?
Pat, I don't know about Denise but IME tea tree oil full strength worked
wonders!
Cheryl
Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs
Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Karen, I DID NOT SAY anything about TRAINING.
I didn't say YOU said it Cheryl. In fact, I don't remember hearing you
mention having a horse evaluated since I've been on the list, so I wouldn't
expect to glean that sort of detail from you. When I ran those numbers in
my head, I used specific e
Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>I want to anlayze that trot and
find out if there is something my
naked eye isn't seeing.
Can you take some videos of Andi?<<
Is trotting on a lunge good for what you want to see? Slower trot or faster
trot or both? I have to wait unitl we are ou
Hi Denise,
How (and/or with what) do you treat the rain rot?
Pat
>> If you've spent thousands getting your horse there and he's about to
> be disqualified because his shoe has spread from it's original form, yeah,
> you're going to be happy there is a farrier on hand to quickly re-shoe
> him.
> Which brings up another good point...why should it cost thousa
On 12/01/07, Denise Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all:
> I am going to attach an action shot but not of nicely
> groomed perfect looking animals.
Now there...that's a healthy, happy looking pair.
Wanda
> If you've spent thousands getting your horse there and he's about to
be disqualified because his shoe has spread from it's original form, yeah,
you're going to be happy there is a farrier on hand to quickly re-shoe him.
Which brings up another good point...why should it cost thousands to get
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 03:17:52PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote:
> Here is Stjarni size reduced, cropped and lightened.
>
> Vicka, I'm pretty sure you sent that picture once before. Would you care to
> hear a few comments on it? I don't want to stir the pot unnecessarily, but
> I do see a few
> Anyway, I ramble. I just don't think what a horse does in hand or at
> liberty has much to do with what they do under saddle, and it doesn't worry
> me that Andi only trots right now.
Hi Susan:
I've only seen Gusti trot since he was a baby too. However, now that
he's older and uner saddle
> I've been thinking of this too. I've been asking
> Snorri to gait in hand, and it's interesting because
> he is starting to catch on and not go into trot.
> Getting someone to videotape it is another problem...I
> do finally have new batteries for my camera though!
> Kim
New batteries is a start
On 1/10/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Been moseying around the web tonight...last pic features a sidepull with
> a soft rope nose
>
> http://www.madtack.net/sidepulls.html
She does a good job on her tack. I've bought from her in the past.
The braided browbands she does are beautifu
Unfortunately, you can't put the extra-wide gullet plate in it, so it
won't work for extra-wide horses.
Those Wintec stock saddles are simply too long for a lot of Icelandic's
short backs. And I don't know of many Icelandics that can go in a merely
"wide" gullet - all I know will just barely
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Laree Shulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am keeping my eyes open for a good saddle for my husband. He is
going to like a western type better and I'm not sure what direction
to go. He is going to be an occasional only rider and not very
secure in his seat
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 01:47:20PM -0600, Raven wrote:
> >> http://www.andor.org/icehorses/loose-rein-tolt.jpg
>
> what a cute boy. he looks relaxed during his work. enjoy him. <;] raven
thank you :) i think he's the best thing in the world :) :) :) :)
today is not so cold; why am i still at
Here is Stjarni size reduced, cropped and lightened.
Vicka, I'm pretty sure you sent that picture once before. Would you care to
hear a few comments on it? I don't want to stir the pot unnecessarily, but
I do see a few things worth mentioning - if you're interested. Unlike Sonny
LongMane's
I was also saddened, but I guess not surprised, to see the Pessoa
lungeing system being added to their training - I don't like it used on any
horse and sadly they have become way too popular IMO
Me too. I don't care for those things at all.
Karen Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The greatest
--- Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yes! i have a freind who isone of the MH judges.
> last year i watched
> her at evaluting a mare who was not really set in
> gait. she didn't
> pass her. advised the owner to go home and work on
> cleaning up the
> gaits. <;] kim, trigger is cute!! i
Did anyone take any pictures of the saddles on horses?
No, her saddles were not used in the clinic. I wish I had gotten pictures.
She doesn't push any particular equipment, but I asked her about bringing
the saddles down so I could look at them. We didn't get around to trying
them until the
>>> in england, he would have been laughed at. there is takes years! to have
the honor of calling yourself a master farrier. raven
It does in the USA as well.
Karen Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
No matter how many horses are kept under such conditions, it still
isn't right.
I'm not sure how we got to this discussion - look at the subject line.
Aren't we preaching to the choir? Don't we have an overwhelming consensus
on this list forgiving all horses as much pasture time as feasible
Allright, time for me to pipe in here. I am probably the first one to
buy horses from or with the help of Gudmar and his family.
Anneliese, I for one wish you'd pipe up more often.
If we're going to talk about what's best for the horses, we WILL step on
some people's toes. So what...? I'm
>>> Now, I haven't participated much here on Ice Horses because I don't know
a great deal about Icelandics and didn't have anything to contribute in the
way of adding to the information about them...
Denise, I've enjoyed your coming out of lurkdom today. :)
BTW, are you Denise in WV, who owns A
>> http://www.andor.org/icehorses/loose-rein-tolt.jpg
what a cute boy. he looks relaxed during his work. enjoy him. <;] raven
Kim Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I've been askingSnorri to gait in
hand, and it's interesting because
he is starting to catch on and not go into trot.<<
How are you asking this?
Susan in NV
Happy High Desert Trails
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nev
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 01:39:53PM -0400, Virginia Tupper wrote:
> On 1/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > you should be able to see my
> > hands being low by his withers, anyway.
>
> You were tolting over poles?
not really; we were practicing doing straight lines off the ra
Hi Judy,
>Oh, bummer, the cribbing collar!
I was pretty shocked to see a cribbing collar. I have never known an
Icelandic who was a wind sucker/cribber - yes they will chew on wood but
usually only in the winter and when they need minerals.
I was also saddened, but I guess not surprised, to see
Hi Karen,
>And did you happen to see the two treed western saddles that Liz Graves
>brought down for the clinic? You could have knocked me over with a
>feather - Dave Genadek made them.
>http://www.aboutthehorse.com If I ever get a western
>saddle, that's where I'll go looking.
>the wider o
>>>What crime did these horses commit to deserve solitary confinement all
their lives???<<<
That's another thing that bothers me, to see a solitary horse, even with
lots of room to run. A lot of people don't seem to grasp how much horses
need company, that they are herd animals and not designe
>>the Mountain Horse registries want to see a horse gaiting before
they can be registered to breed is because there are horses without
gai
yes! i have a freind who isone of the MH judges. last year i watched
her at evaluting a mare who was not really set in gait. she didn't
pass her. advised the o
>> I DO remember the young American who went to Iceland a couple of
years ago, and came back calling himself a "master farrier" when it
was well-known he'd never ridden a horse just a few months before
yes, he is married to an icelandic trainer, who was heavily promoting
him. IMHO..it's takes more
>>> Karen, can you give a detailed account on how to make a flywhisk maybe
even with pictures.
I think I have some pics somewhere, but my handiwork isn't exactly an art
form - I'm sure others can do MUCH better. :)
Basically, take a 20-24" riding crop - you can usually find them for $4-6,
mayb
> The rules aren't that complicated are they?
If you've spent thousands getting your horse there and he's about to be
disqualified because his shoe has spread from it's original form, yeah,
you're going to be happy there is a farrier on hand to quickly re-shoe him.
This actually happened to a h
>>But if you have to keep a horse in the stable 24/7 other than
when it is being ridden because you feel you need to protect the mane and
tail - well, sorry, but I feel that this is actually abusive even though
probably well-meaning<<
Absolutely again I was not by any means condoning that sort
>> I understand that for one of the last evaluations, they brought in a
>> horseshoer from Iceland to shoe all the horses.
There may be a "horseshoer from Iceland" present, but no one would be
required to use his services.
Cheryl
ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm
Icelandic Horses a
>>> At the risk of starting it all over, Gudmar's name did come up from the
TV interview he gave a couple of weeks ago that produced quite the barrage
about mis-information and he has been targeted several times about his age
and his opinions on SE etc.
Sorry, but I think the relative experience o
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 10:08:11AM -0800, Robyn Hood wrote:
> Hi Vicka
> Wanda thanks for lightening the photo.
>
> Nice photo, cute horse who looks relaxed and pleasant.
thanks, robyn. stjarni is the sweetest, easiest-going horse i've ever
had the pleasure to know; it's a lot of why i love him
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 11:00:19AM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote:
> > http://www.andor.org/icehorses/loose-rein-tolt.jpg
> >
> > it's big, but it isn't a great shot, and it really helps to see it
> > full-size and on a decent monitor, otherwise his neck is too dark for
> > the reins to show up with a
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 11:11:29AM -0700, ToltallyICE wrote:
> IMO, just because it is done doesn't make it okay. IMO, keeping a horse in
> a stall 24/7 unless you come to ride is just not an acceptable practice
i have to say i agree, and i worry about things like the rates of colic
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