Re: RE: [IceHorses] Runa's head

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/3/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHere did he come from, he is fairly new to you right? I think Orri is shedding because he's living indoors more than at his other home, plus because it is a lesson barn the lights are on later in the evening so I'm guessing that his body is

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/3/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both of my horses won't step backwards in the Porcupine game when I use the carrot stick, only when I use my fingers. How are you using the stick? Can you send a picture? or describe how you are using it? I'll try to get photos. I stand in

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Wanda Lauscher
When I try to get them to step back with the CS from the chest and they don't, I walk towards them and lightly touch the same spot with my hand and both horses will move back with no resistance. Virginiatry looking at the spot on their body that you want them to move. When Cara lunges

[IceHorses] Re: Thoughts?

2007-02-04 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This statement appeared in our provincial newsletter. Horses can communicate how they are feeling by their facial expressions. They use their ears, nostrils, and eyes to show their moods. Beware of a horse that has

Re: [IceHorses] Needed more than a t-shirt today

2007-02-04 Thread pippa258
Karen Thomas wrote: Ok, I'll buy some Desitin next time I'm at the store! I don't know if you noticed, but in the video of me doing the groundwork, I'm wearing ski goggles. I can't stand a cold wind! I didn't! Looks like I have another item to add to my glam look. I was thinking of a

[IceHorses] Re: Winter slide show

2007-02-04 Thread kim morton
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Pamela Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took these about a week ago when it was snowing in Wisconsin! These are my babies http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f74/hansenshorses/? action=viewcurrent=1169435310.pbw Hope it works. I love the pinto, and

Re: [IceHorses] Needed more than a t-shirt today

2007-02-04 Thread pippa258
Judy Ryder wrote: I read in a natural herbal-type book yesterday, that if you put on light socks, then put cayenne pepper in a heavier pair of socks, then put them on, your feet will be warmer when you go outside. I'm trying it! I bought a pair of waterproof Ariat Terrains but they are too

Re: [IceHorses] need more than a tshirt

2007-02-04 Thread pippa258
Karen Thomas wrote: Anyone have any ideas for helping the burning eyes? I don't think I'll try putting Desitin in my eyes! There are some good eye drops out there...have you heard of the homeopathic brand, Similisan? They have versions for dry eye, allergy eye, etc. Any natural food store

[IceHorses] Re: Winter slide show

2007-02-04 Thread Pamela Hansen
These are my babies http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f74/hansenshorses/? action=viewcurrent=1169435310.pbw Well, the slideshow didn't work but the pics did so you get to see my son and some horses of the past. The vase was a present from my brother for Christmas and it has the

RE: [IceHorses] Re: New Poll Suggestion

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
I wouldn't think a high level dressage horse would perform well if they hurt. That is why I will have a very good saddlefitter who doesn't sell saddles tell me if it does or not. Yes, I think a sore back will affect the performance of any horse. But, sometimes it has amazed me how much some

[IceHorses] There is a new poll! Check it out!

2007-02-04 Thread icyhugger5
Enjoy!

RE: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Yes, I did that too, not constantly though cuz I'd keep looking up at their face to see the expressions. Maybe I should make a grumpy face? BTW, that's officially called the mother-in-law look. :) It can be helpful - although I'd use it sparingly. At some point, I remember Pat also using the

[IceHorses] Re: New Poll Suggestion

2007-02-04 Thread icyhugger5
We're almost a tree-free zone here. I'm sure everyone has heard me rave about my favorites, the Sensations. My backup saddles are a Bob Marshall Sport Saddle and a Barefoot Cheyenne. It's probably been 12-18 months since I sat in a treed saddle, even though I still have 3-4. Great! I

RE: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
I want to get more solid in my PNH moves before I start introducing the clickertoo much all at once will confuse me and that will confuse my horses! That's good I think. I use some clicker training and I think it's great, but I can most certainly confuse myself by combining too much, too

RE: [IceHorses] Thoughts?

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Horses can communicate how they are feeling by their facial expressions. They use their ears, nostrils, and eyes to show their moods. Beware of a horse that has flared nostrils and their ears back. That means it might attack! when Gusti is concentrating...he has his ears back.

RE: [IceHorses] need more than a tshirt

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Were you wearing glasses to keep the wind out of your eyes? Try some eye drops, like vaseline (misspelled?) Yes, I tried the ski goggles, but they kept slipping down. I'll work on getting them adjusted better. As for eye-drops, maybe you mean Visine, not Vaseline? I don't think I want to put

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Judy Ryder
they both seem to think I want to lunge them when I try to disengage their hindquarters. Same for this what is the situation when you are asking? How and where are they standing? The horses are standing facing me. I point to the left with my left hand, and foot, the rope is in my

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Judy Ryder
I'll try to get photos. I stand in front of my horse, rub the spot with my carrot stick, middle of chest under the neck area, then go through the phases and stand there waiting... When I try to get them to step back with the CS from the chest and they don't, I walk towards them and

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, that's officially called the mother-in-law look. :) It can be helpful - although I'd use it sparingly. Yes, I saw this in Guide 3 - a 'Schwiegermutter look'. Another thing Pat always says (no matter what the task of the moment) is

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The horses are standing facing me. I point to the left with my left hand, and foot, the rope is in my left hand--the horse doesn't move. I lift the stick which is in my right hand, the horse doesn't move, I throw the rope of the carrot stick

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possible they like to have a feel coming from living thing to living thing, and may be aren't aware of how to respond to tools yet. They seem to know what tools when used on the sides of their body so I think maybe they've never experienced it

Re: [IceHorses] Reasons Why No Reins

2007-02-04 Thread Judy Ryder
i just want to note that these horses are also blessed with spectacular riders, Yes! do you know of anyone teaching such in massachusetts or anywhere reasonably commutable from here? Check out any natural horsemanship trainer, or start PNH on your own (here with us as support). You can do

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Wanda Lauscher
We've been talking that we want to have our horses outside 24/7 all year with a run-in shed, so a 'herd' would probably be best to keep each other warm and for company. I'm thinking at least 4 or 5 horses--would that be enough? V Snort! Oh Virginiayou're asking the wrong group. We're

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Judy Ryder
The horses are standing facing me. I point to the left with my left hand, and foot, the rope is in my left hand--the horse doesn't move. I lift the stick which is in my right hand, the horse doesn't move, I throw the rope of the carrot stick over to the horse and off they go to the

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Raven
WOW...good luck!!! Raven

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snort! Oh Virginiayou're asking the wrong group. We're all hopeless enablers. LOL! Believe it or not, hubby says 10 but I'm the one holding back saying 4 or 5 V

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I get it! You are not asking for disengagement of the hindquarters only; you are asking for the Circle Game with a disengagement at the end. Right? Yes, exactly! Sorry for the confusion, I didn't explain myself well enough. In asking

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Wanda Lauscher
LOL! Believe it or not, hubby says 10 but I'm the one holding back saying 4 or 5 V Oh...well then...you're way ahead of the rest of us I think we're slowing down a bit. We've been offered a 1/2 quarter horse, 1/2 Fjord mare as a gift. She comes with all the equipment possible

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're actually CONSIDERING it. Five years ago, we would have driven down within 10 minutes of hearing the offer. I would LOVE to have a herd of 10 horses and I was quite surprised when my husband said this (he hasn't taken lessons yet) but

Re: [IceHorses] Re: New Poll Suggestion

2007-02-04 Thread Raven
Is the Bob Marshal part tree? well...the BMSS is considered a treeless saddle. but some folks do call it a semi-tree due to the wooden pommel. i love my BMSS but it did not work for my icepony. raven

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread bia
wanda...I'll take the mare! LOL Bia

Re: RE: [IceHorses] Runa's head

2007-02-04 Thread SHERREL LEININGER
What is UP with shedding?!?!? Is it just icelandics?? Is it global warming?? Tivar is shedding like crazy! Stigandi begins growing in his winter coat in August every year. I don't think he is dropping coat just yet. He usually starts in February slowly shedding until the beginning of

[IceHorses] Re: inconsiderate people

2007-02-04 Thread Lorraine Voog
About 8 months later, several kids on minibikes drove up to us in a big, flat, field and started circling like Indians around a wagon. I was yelling at them that Chief didn't like motorcycles, they were laughing and started throwing rocks. I grabbed some mane and squeezed and Chief ran

[IceHorses] Re: snow stud, #2

2007-02-04 Thread Lorraine Voog
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my other stud, Skyfaxi. I tried to send it at the same time but it got kicked back so had to do them individually. Beautiful pictures, Denise. Our snow only lasted a little over 24 hours, but it's still cold.

[IceHorses] Re: View my photos

2007-02-04 Thread Lorraine Voog
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some pictures of the Sensation alternate stirrup attachment rigging. What kind of Sensation is that? Lorraine

RE: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
I was copying what I saw Pat doing in a video--his horse only went around him once or twice while mine seems to think I wanted continuous circles. Then perhaps your horses were taught to lunge at some earlier point in their training? Honestly, many times it's easier to teach than to re-teach.

RE: [IceHorses] Reasons Why No Reins

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
nor have i yet seen it anywhere except youtube, from rather exotic (from here) locales. do you know of anyone teaching such in massachusetts or anywhere reasonably commutable from here? I'm not sure what you're talking about - riding without reins, with most of the cuing from seat and legs?

RE: [IceHorses] Re: New Poll Suggestion

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Don't take me wrong. I think it is a great idea if it works. I would have looked at one when having trouble finding a saddle if I had known how comfy and stable they actually were. I was told I probably wouldn't like them that you need good balance but I rode in one (sensation) and it felt so

RE: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
We've been talking that we want to have our horses outside 24/7 all year with a run-in shed, so a 'herd' would probably be best to keep each other warm and for company. I'm thinking at least 4 or 5 horses--would that be enough? NO! That's not NEARLY enough! Hehehe. We'll be living

RE: [IceHorses] need more than a tshirt

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Besides I would suspect there is a difference in our humidity. Right now our humidity is 71%..what's yours? Someone said that we have a 'dry' cold...and that's supposed to make all the difference. At least it sounded good at the time and I've clung to that idea. Is 71% supposed to be

RE: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Yes, I have to keep reminding myself that--I'm always blaming myself that I must be doing something wrong! V That was a big part of the battle to me - wanting quick results, blaming myself, and just generally getting frustrated. Sina helped me so much in getting over those traits - although I

RE: [IceHorses] Re: New Poll Suggestion

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Great! I would love to try the new western hybrid Sensation. Is the Bob Marshal part tree? I'm confused with that one! I always rode western so I prefer the western model treeless. Yes, it has been called a treeless saddle for years, but it has a rigid pommel and cantle. You said you have a

Re: [IceHorses] Disengaging Hindquarters and Stepping Back

2007-02-04 Thread Judy Ryder
In asking for the stop, you'll drop that energy down to the ground. Slump your shoulders if you have to. Look down, if you have to. Let everything in your body melt. Oh, OK--I wasn't doing this at first and the horses went faster. When I 'gave up' trying to get them to stop I just

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . We'll be living vicariously through you with this new adventure. Enjoy - and keep us informed! Don't worry, I'll probably have zillions of questions as it happens. :D V

RE: [IceHorses] Stonewall training gaps

2007-02-04 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Janice, I must be a sorta hybrid sacking outer then. I do the obstacle course thing, familiarization, let them discover it and inspect it, but with my Jaspar who was phobic, I had to find a way to let him know the How did you do that? In my description of stonewall, if you will notice,

Re: RE: [IceHorses] Runa's head

2007-02-04 Thread Ann Cassidy
What is UP with shedding?!?!? Is it just icelandics?? Is it global warming?? Tivar is shedding like crazy! All of my horses start shedding in February and start growing their winter coats in August. I thought it had to do with the length of the days. Tivar is right on his usual schedule

RE: [IceHorses] I'm bored already

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
Most seem to think she is smokey black so maybe he is too. Ha! Don't pay TOO much attention to what other people think. Some of the so-called color experts told me that Ima is smokey black, and there's simply no way that she is. Her mom, Bjola is definitely a dark chestnut/flaxen, not a

RE: [IceHorses] Reasons Why No Reins

2007-02-04 Thread Karen Thomas
leaving now to buy that balaclava and RIDE!) I have a Wintersilks silk balaclava, and I don't ever use it. It seems to mess up my already messy hair, but I don't think it keeps the wind off my face all that well. My head seems to stay warm enough with either the jacket hood or the riding

[IceHorses] Re: Sina's groundwork videos

2007-02-04 Thread icyhugger5
She's really the reason I got hooked on the Parelli program. For the first time, I could really see Natural Horsemanship as something to do, just for the fun and joy of it, not as a means to work on problems. She's SO smart. Several of my friends and I bought the first Level 1 about the

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Ingvar Ragnarsson
LOL! Believe it or not, hubby says 10 but I'm the one holding back saying 4 or 5 V start out with 4 and then you get a few foals and you got ten ! Myself started with 1 riding horse 1 mare in foal with a foal by her side when I started to live with my husband and he got 2 riding

[IceHorses] Re: Mixing methods

2007-02-04 Thread icyhugger5
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, pippa258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virginia Tupper wrote: When I think conditioning I think robotic. The games in PNH, with phases, etc., they seem to be just as much 'conditioning' in its own way. But--I'm only a newbie in everything and I could change

RE: [IceHorses] World Equestrain Games Freestyle Finals '06

2007-02-04 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Judy, I thought the same thing. Looking at her general demeanor, and *how* the tail was swishing, wasn't like the get out of my mouth, that hurts! type of swish. Just watched the video and yes very nice horse. But to me the tail swishing is everytime he is touched with the rider's spur -

Re: [IceHorses] Scooter not in the snow

2007-02-04 Thread Raven
HAHA!! Scooter at laughing at the fact that Huginn Dixie are in very cold.. frozen WI. HA! Scooter is a doll! Raven

Re: [IceHorses] Scooter not in the snow

2007-02-04 Thread SturmRanch
Eighty degrees? Lorraine, where in the world do you live? Nancy - in Oregon

Re: [IceHorses] Looking for land

2007-02-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On 2/4/07, Ingvar Ragnarsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Myself started with 1 riding horse 1 mare in foal with a foal by her side when I started to live with my husband and he got 2 riding horses on our farm today my we have 30 horses and 13 that are boarded her so be aware they grow quickly

Re: [IceHorses] Stonewall training gaps

2007-02-04 Thread Janice McDonald
On 2/4/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Janice, I must be a sorta hybrid sacking outer then. I do the obstacle course thing, familiarization, let them discover it and inspect it, but with my Jaspar who was phobic, I had to find a way to let him know the How did you do that?

Re: [IceHorses] I'm bored already

2007-02-04 Thread Janice McDonald
On 2/4/07, Denise Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is another Korgur pic. By the way, this is Elva's son. Most seem to think she is smokey black so maybe he is too. I'm surprised they didnt say he was faded black... thats what they usually say when they are trying to be mean, despite

Re: [IceHorses] Scooter not in the snow

2007-02-04 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 04/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eighty degrees? Lorraine, where in the world do you live? Nancy - in Oregon Sounds like the surface of the sun to me Wanda

Re: [IceHorses] Re: inconsiderate people

2007-02-04 Thread Wanda Lauscher
I looked up and the dogs owner was in the yard working on his truck. he was just looking at me. I couldnt believe it! I waited for him to say something but he didnt and I left.\janice -- yipie tie yie yo Yes...we have a pair of nitwits living across the road that are exactly the same. As

RE: [IceHorses] Re: inconsiderate people

2007-02-04 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Janice, I looked up and the dogs owner was in the yard working on his truck. he was just looking at me. I couldnt believe it! I waited for him to say something but he didnt and I left.\janice -- Quite unbelievable that t he dog owner could be so stupid and inconsiderate... or red neck