> Yes, but the topic here was breed standards, not the exceptions to
the
> breed. I have an Arab who did remarkably well in hunters when
there was a
> strong prejudice against the breed in that sport. We also have a
> supposed-to-be western pleasure App that couldn't jog if his life
depen
On Jun 11, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Karen Thomas wrote:
> Yes, but the topic here was breed standards, not the exceptions to the
> breed. I have an Arab who did remarkably well in hunters when there
> was a
> strong prejudice against the breed in that sport. We also have a
> supposed-to-be western plea
her center of gravity is lower and that may help. <;p]
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all
The owners at Creekside used to live in Santa Ynez where they had friends
who rode NATRC on Icelandics. They already had a nice appreciation of the
breed. But we've had this casual conversation lately about Tosca (3/4
Icey) and her ability to truck up and down steep terrain. She really s
Here's a little inspirational video:
http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/06/inspirational-video.html
Please feel free to pass it on.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
They don't hurt a thing for the kind of riding I do.
Nor the kind I do. Not one of the four horses we own would ever make a
dressaage horse. Itf I wanted to ride dressage again, I'd go find a
different kind of horse.
However, Hunter, despite the baggage he arrived with, has been one
te
>>> Well good for them. And what is a "clean throatlatch anyway" ? I'm
>>> joking. Hunter
>>> has one - Tosca doesn't.
And does that affect your ability to enjoy her on the trail...? ;) Some
conformation
traits are important to some disciplines/sports than others. And some
conforma
Nancy, I don't know if you read these, but I chuckled over one detail. This
is one of the few breed standards that doesn't call for a "clean
throatlatch."
Well good for them. And what is a "clean throatlatch anyway" ? I'm
joking. Hunter has one - Tosca doesn't.
I had her in the washrac
>>>But, if anyone is going to try to test with riders, these look like
>>>reasonable patterns to show.
Just curious, Cherie, do a lot of Fjord owners present and ride their own
horses? Or do they have special Norwegians do that for them? I was
thinking that I could actually ride those tests
>>> Here is a link to the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry (this is the U.S.
>>> registry) If you click on evaluation program and scroll to the bottom of
>>> the page, there are links to the PDF files explaining the whole process:
>>> https://www.nfhr.org/index.php?com_frontpage&Itemid=1Cherie
>>> OTOH, those warmbloods that don't make the cut as breeding stallions or
>>> six figure Olympic hopefuls wind up somewhere, and not all are pulling
>>> carriages. There was an 18 hh (unbranded) Hanoverian at our NATRC ride
>>> this weekend and he had good recoveries and took very good care o
Is the pace bad for a horse's muscles?
Awful looking isn't it? I actually own an off track pacing Standardbred,
genetically predestined to pace, then forced to hold pace at the track by
hobbles.
I doubt that it is "bad" for him to pace, afterall, he was bred for that
express purpose, but
Someone I know is selling this saddle. I have seen this saddle...it's
in excellent condition. Please tell Kelly that Raven ...sent you her
way. Contact Kelly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
American-Flex 18" Icelandic English saddle package, System 7
This saddle comes with:
removable blocking (trail and sc
he has a little arrogant look in his eye i think! What a cutie
patootie!! what will you name him! has a little dishy nose like an
arab :)
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
suffering.
>
> ...
>
> On this list how many times has it been mentioned that breeds like TWH of
> today are not what they used to be? How they are totally different types
> from the old stock.
>
they are bred to be pacey so that when th
> Here are some gait descriptions of walk, trot, pace,
> and canter:
Is the pace bad for a horse's muscles?
Lorraine
On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Karen Thomas wrote:
>
> Let's think about it for a minute though. Most warmbloods are used for
> "sport horses" - jumpers or dressage. I believe the purpose of most of
> their "evaluations" is to show their suitablity as sport horses. I
> can't
> think of anyone who
> I would like to see other gaits included in the evaluations other than
> just a tolt. If I knew what gaits a horse was able to do
> easily...that would tell me so much about where he was on the gait
> spectrum...
And here's food for thought:
Do or should Icelandic Horses be expected to trot
>>Do you have any video of his movement? Does he wing in the front when
>>moving? Do the back legs travel straight?
>
> There are a few straight on bits of horses in this video from the WC:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFV4Wqdcj4
Thanks for the link, Mic. Not too much usable there. Are t
I don't have a copy of the International one.
We did a mock U.S. eval at the Fjord Fun Fest last year and the basic
test is done in-hand. Walking in a triangle pattern, and trotting in a
triangle pattern. They ask that the lead be loose. The horse is to
stand quietly while the judge looks it over
2008/6/11 Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Does this not support my contention that legs are being marked quite
> strictly? The information is public for all to see. How or if each
> individual chooses to use the information is not regulated.
>
> Phil
Do we know of any stallions with a 9 or a 10
Here are some gait descriptions of walk, trot, pace, and canter:
http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/06/horse-gait-descriptions.html
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Karen Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:09 PM
To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [IceHorses] Evaluations and Improving Conformation
>>> But in an earlier post Karen was bemoaning that
In fact, I know people who are afraid to ride their warmbloods out on the
trail!
That's a fact. Our local equine vet, who lives just up the road from us, is
married to a well known dressage rider/trainer who makes an annual shopping
trip to Europe. They have a huge financial investment in
>>> Any horse breed should be a good conformation horse breed -- ie.,
>>> mechanically functional for life in the wild (where nature determines if
>>> they are sound enough to survive) and for the work that humans have
>>> expected them to do for several centuries.
Exactly - this shouldn't be
>>> One of my all time favorite endurance memories was seeing an elderly
>>> gentleman who was not able to do the completion trot out - required to
>>> prove the horses are sound at the end of a ride - with his horse on
>>> lead. He got the vet's permission to trot out his horse at liberty.
>>> I've seen some evaluations for some of the European Warmbloods that are
>>> done at liberty, so no interference from handling! Granted, a lot of
>>> gaited horses don't trot at liberty, but basic conformation can be
>>> gleaned from that
The no-rider interference is key to me too, Susan.
You're right, there are a lot more "in-hand" classes and presentions done
in-hand than at liberty.
One of my all time favorite endurance memories was seeing an elderly
gentleman who was not able to do the completion trot out - required to
prove the horses are sound at the end of a ride - wi
> There are people I have contact with talking about things they would like
> to
> change. I can not speak for USIHC board members but within the CLRC there
> are 2 of us on the board who have discussed the desire for changes.
Great. If we can be of any help, let us know.
>>> Personally I woul
>>> It's only fairly recently that walk has been included in breeding
>>> assessments at all - mostly because it was so rare to see horses in
>>> Iceland with a decent walk as few of the trainers bothered much with it
>>> and the horses were so hyped up at the assessments that finding a decent
>>> Alex says that she walks Gat home now but she says she'd rather go
>>> faster to keep the bugs off so I think maybe she was the one who wanted
>>> to canter and then Gat got excited. Anyways, they're walking home now.
>>> V
That's so cool. She's done well with her riding lessons, and now
>>> But in an earlier post Karen was bemoaning that legs were only showing
>>> scores of 7.5 or 'average". If this is true then to me it shows that
>>> there is a desire to see better legs.
First, Phil, I'd really appreciate it if you'd quit using such negative
words (like "bemoaning") about e
>>>I keep reading "at liberty" in sentences where it seems like the horse is
>>>being shown in hand. I think of "at liberty" as being free of any
>>>restraints - ie no halter or lead. Do I (stilll again) have that wrong?
>>>Nancy
I think you're right in the terminology. I saw an Arab class o
> Am I missing the results or description of what is actually inspected?
> This
> link seems to just have an overview and application forms.
http://www.hanoverian.org/mares/hanomare.shtml
scores: http://www.hanoverian.org/mares/mare_stats.shtml
http://www.hanoverian.org/Stallions/100-Day.sht
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Lynn Kinsky
Here's the Hanoverian info:
http://www.hanoverian.org/tour/inspection.shtml
Note that the inspections and tests are not merely numbers, but carry
breeding eligibility in the case of stallions.
Thanks Lynn
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Judy Ryder
> The evaluation are not a breeding system they provide tools for breeders
to use.
> I don't know what Icelandics would be like without these organizations.
The legs are so bad, though! I don't understand why t
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Dee Dreslough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Just make sure they wear gloves! Buttercup sap causes blisters.
> http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/?section=species&id=111
>
Eek! I picked a ton yesterday with bare hands and thankfully did not
get blisters!
V
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Wanda Lauscher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/10 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOJBKWtaLg
>
> Love it! Keep sending these Virginia...I love watching them.
>
Alex went to bed late last night so she didn't ride this mor
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> heheh! looks like fun. what camera are you using?
>
It's just a HP digital camera. I do have a Sony camcorder but I need
to charge it and re-learn how to use it again. I will also need some
kind of software so I can work with t
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They have only been home a few weeks...right? They may need a bit
> more time to settle into ther new place.
>
They are very attached to each other. Even at the boarding barn I
noticed how attached they were. I think I need mo
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:19:47 -0700, you wrote:
>Do you have any video of his movement? Does he wing in the front when
>moving? Do the back legs travel straight?
There are a few straight on bits of horses in this video from the WC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFV4Wqdcj4
Mic
Mic (Michelle
> Here is a first prize stallion used in Finland, with 8,0 for proportions.
Krisse, can we see pictures of his legs from directly in front (of the front
legs), and from the side and back (of the back legs)?
Do you have any video of his movement? Does he wing in the front when
moving? Do the
On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Robyn Hood wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Kayla.
> Do you know if the results are public and itemized? Is there a place
> we can
> see the rules or scoring system used for these inspections?
>
> Phil
>
Here's the Hanoverian info:
http://www.hanoverian.org/tour/insp
> The evaluation are not a breeding system they provide tools for breeders to
> use.
> I don't know what Icelandics would be like without these organizations.
The legs are so bad, though! I don't understand why the legs are not
conformationally better, much better, if this evaluation system is
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of icnewb
Most of the breed organizations that hold "evaluation" are called
approvals or inspections. Here are few examples in North America. Each
have their own rules and regulations but generally follow the same pattern
I
> I keep reading "at liberty" in sentences where it seems like the horse
> is
> being shown in hand. I think of "at liberty" as being free of any
> restraints - ie no halter or lead. Do I (stilll again) have that
> wrong?
At liberty in other breeds means running free; in hand or in halter
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:50:34 -0400, you wrote:
>In the Icelandic evaluations, the walk is only given 1.5% weighting. That's
>odd to me
>since the walk is "the mother of all gaits."
It's only fairly recently that walk has been included in breeding
assessments at all - mostly because it was so
> So actually you want to breed the "Icelandic" out of these horses and
> make one "this is good conformation"-horsebreed?
Any horse breed should be a good conformation horse breed -- ie.,
mechanically functional for life in the wild (where nature determines
if they are sound enough to sur
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:31:33 -0700, you wrote:
>They are more likely IMHO to
>use locality and price as the main factors.
Or colour! (frightening, isn't it? - when we had a blue dun stallion
here we had someone wanting to use him desperately, even though he was
her mare's half brother - because h
maybe I'll enlist the kids and tell them Mommy
>> LOVES buttercups and maybe they'll pick them for me.
My little ones used to bring me fist fulls of crumpled dandelions. I always
put them in lovely vases (a jelly jar perhaps) and displayed them proudly.
Nancy
I keep reading "at liberty" in sentences where it seems like the horse is
being shown in hand. I think of "at liberty" as being free of any
restraints - ie no halter or lead. Do I (stilll again) have that wrong?
Nancy
--- stroppelj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Icelandic evaluation are also not only conformation,
> but 60% of the
> marks are riding abilities.
There is a major problem right there since you can't
breed riding abilities! Especially with cantle
riding, mouth hanging yahoos!
Susan in NV
re
-Original Message-
From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Karen Thomas
You seem to be stuck on maintaining an evaluation system. I'm not. I'll
turn the tables on you. What do YOU suggest? Several times you've said you
think the system is flawed, but I haven't heard any suggest
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've looked, and I know that most breeds don't have
> evaluation systems.
I've seen some evaluations for some of the European
Warmbloods that are done at liberty, so no
interference from handling! Granted, a lot of gaited
horses don't trot at libert
heheh! looks like fun. what camera are you using?
Raven
Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatu
>>> The Fjord Horse International Association also publishes a book for judges
>>> and
>>> breeders that explain the evals.
What a novel idea. ;)
Do you have a copy of it, that you might share a few points with us? Do you
know how much
it is to buy it? I might like a copy, just to broaden
>
> Perhaps there is another breed or discipline that has a method in
place we
> can look at for inspiration.
>
> Phil
>
Most of the breed organizations that hold "evaluation" are called
approvals or inspections. Here are few examples in North America. Each
have their own rules and regulations b
>>Orri was not happy about being left behind
They have only been home a few weeks...right? They may need a bit
more time to settle into ther new place.
>>Alex told me that Gatgalloped all the way home and couldn't get her to stop
Sounds like Gat is getting barn sour/herd bound. I would work on
>>> Here is a first prize stallion used in Finland, with 8,0 for proportions.
My goodness, I hope that's just a bad picture of him, because I don't care for
the way he
looks at all in that picture. I suspect that a lot of what I don't like is
just camera
angle though, but I'm not sure what y
>
> Just great *sigh* -- maybe I'll enlist the kids and tell them Mommy
> LOVES buttercups and maybe they'll pick them for me.
> V
Just make sure they wear gloves! Buttercup sap causes blisters.
http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/?section=species&id=111
-Dee (lurkin' in CT :) )
>>> So actually you want to breed the "Icelandic" out of these horses and make
>>> one "this
>>> is good conformation"-horsebreed?
Absolutely not! I don't really want to "improve" the breed at all. I think
there is
plenty of good conformation in the gene pool, and I'd only want to PRESERVE
2008/6/10 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I worry more for her riding than I ever did for Alex because she
> thinks she can hop on and canter off into the sunset
Chances are - she'll do just that...
Wanda
2008/6/10 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtOJBKWtaLg
Love it! Keep sending these Virginia...I love watching them.
Wanda
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:04:50 -0400, you wrote:
>I've looked, and I know that most breeds don't have evaluation systems.
Here's something non-breed-specific, but interesting:
http://www.bef.co.uk/Downloads/YHE%202006%20Recreational%20HP%20Pilot%20Section.pdf
One for Knabstruppers (a Danish spotte
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Cherie Mascis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think the Fjord people have a better system.
>
> Here is a description of some of what comprises a Fjord evaluation.
The
> owner gets a score sheet that explains how the horse was graded.
> They not only have a co
I think the Fjord people have a better system.
Here is a description of some of what comprises a Fjord evaluation. The
owner gets a score sheet that explains how the horse was graded.
They not only have a conformation evaluation but there are also use
tests.
Riding, driving, draft pulling to show
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No. That's 2 Banker mustangs. 1 QH x BLM mustang. 1 TWH. 1 Arab. 1
> Appaloosa. 1
> mini-mule. And 19 Icelandics. I recounted, and the new mustangs will make
> 26 total - I
> told you I need more toes to count th
So I ask again; Does anyone know of evaluations from other breeds or
disciplines that
we can look at?
>> I'll look around today, perhaps there is something online we can study.
I've looked, and I know that most breeds don't have evaluation systems.
I have been very interested
>>> So that's 2 Mustangs and 23 Icelandics.
No. That's 2 Banker mustangs. 1 QH x BLM mustang. 1 TWH. 1 Arab. 1
Appaloosa. 1
mini-mule. And 19 Icelandics. I recounted, and the new mustangs will make 26
total - I
told you I need more toes to count them now. :)
>>>Do you have photos o
It is all well and good that Liz Graves has taught you what to look for.
But how does
that help the breed as a whole. Liz does not have the capacity to look at
all
Icelandic breeding stock. So I ask again; Does anyone know of evaluations
from other
breeds or disc
>>> But you see, what I don't get at breeding evaluations is things like this -
>>> I had a
>>> mare judged a few years ago and she got the comment, as a negative, "thin
>>> face" ,
>>> though positives were her eye size, ear set and expression, ending up with
>>> a 7.5
>>> overall for her he
>>> It is too bad most breeders don't pay attention to feet and legs. My Icey
>>> gelding
>>> that came from Brenda Devine has good hard feet and a lot of bone. I picked
>>> him
>>> because he looked like a horse that would stay sound. He is being
>>> conditioned to go on
>>> a 4 day pack tri
Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
> Along the same lines,
> conformation is conformation, no matter what the breed, no matter what the
> gaitedness.
So actually you want to breed the "Icelandic" out of these horses and make one
"this is good conformation"-horsebreed?
Krisse
>>> One of the things he liked to talk about was breed standards. He would say
>>> something
>>> like "Did you ever read these breed descriptions? They all say something
>>> about fine
>>> heads, wide set eyes, small ears, straight legs, good feet." Then he'd
>>> sort of
>>> snort and sa
Must have been Bob Rosser.
It was indeed. He baked great bread, too. We were never at his place out
of Cave Junction, but did visit at the cabin he build closer to Wilderville
(was it Waters Creek?). He had built a special bread raising shelf into
the rocks in his fireplace. My husba
2008/6/10 Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So I ask again; Does anyone know of evaluations from other breeds or
> disciplines that we can look at?
I'll look around today, perhaps there is something online we can study.
Wanda
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:23:30 -0300, you wrote:
>Both of mine have dark noses so would I see spots?
Yes, you would, they are pretty obvious!
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
---
Solva Icelandic Horses
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those big nasty
> biting flies were stuck under the sheet and were repeatedly biting him
> and he couldn't get away from them.
>
Yuck.
> I find my icey boys only use the stalls in the run in/barn during the
> day in the
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Susan Coombes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I missed spraying as they need to be done before
> flowering which is Feb/March time. My paddocks are under water at that
> time.
Ours was swampy at that time, and where there is the most buttercups
is where the pasture
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:46 AM, Mic Rushen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so watch out for spotty noses and mouths.
>
Both of mine have dark noses so would I see spots?
V
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Aren't you adopting 2 more, the mustangs? V
>
> I think that makes 25...right? Jacki will be taking Cali home in a couple
> of weeks, and Trausti is now with Janice... I need a few more toes.
>
>
So that's 2 Mustangs
> In my newly fenced pasture buttercups are blooming everywhere!
>
Hi virginia,
I live in a creeping buttercup haven too. Mine 'creep' at olympic pace.
My horses do eat some leaves and get loose motions. Somehorses get
rednoses from the flowers. We tried hand picking. I estimate ten years
of 1
Hi Karen
here some examples of what horses get what marks, so you can
interprete the goal and the "translation" to marks maybe a little bit
better:
Rauðhetta frá Kirkjubæ, born 1979
http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=6872#
9.5 for head
9.5 for neck-withers-shoulder
10 for Tölt
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:56:00 -0400, you wrote:
>They are poisonous but a horse would have to be starving before they
>would eat them - they are very bitter tasting. I have seen many a
>pasture with horses and buttercups and no problems.
However, they do sometimes cause light sensitivity when the
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:13:15 -0700, you wrote:
>They look so very happy. Do you have problems with founder? We are
>also coastal and the grass is so lush, we have to be very careful.
>
Only youngsters or infoal mares go onto the commons in the early part
of the season. Although the grass is lush,
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