On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Marcio Almada wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The voting for Group Use Declarations is now closed with 39 "yes" and 19
> "no" votes. According to the established 2/3 majority requirement, it
> passed.
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/group_use_declarations#votes
>
> If you voted "no"
Hi,
The voting for Group Use Declarations is now closed with 39 "yes" and 19
"no" votes. According to the established 2/3 majority requirement, it
passed.
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/group_use_declarations#votes
If you voted "no": your feedback is still as important as before, specially
in case you
Hi
2015-02-25 8:45 GMT-03:00 Pascal MARTIN, AFUP :
>
>
> We've discussed this RFC with other people of AFUP, and even though there
> have been quite a few mails exchanged, I'm sorry to say we didn't reach a
> consensus -- and, as such, are neither -1 nor +1.
>
> Trying to summarize a few points:
Le 11/02/2015 21:50, Marcio Almada a écrit :
Since no new discussion topics appeared, the voting on the Group Use
Declarations RFC for PHP7 is now open:
Hi,
We've discussed this RFC with other people of AFUP, and even though
there have been quite a few mails exchanged, I'm sorry to say we di
Hi internais,
This is just a friendly reminder that, according the the previously
established voting duration of 14 days, the voting for Group Use
declarations will close in exactly 17 hours counting from now.
Thanks.
2015-02-12 20:55 GMT-03:00 Stelian Mocanita :
>
>
>
>> I could compromise to send pull requests and update some of these tools
>> (at
>> least the open source ones) in time for PHP7 release.
>>
>
> Print screen taken, will hold you to your words.
>
>
Please do ;) If the RFC passes I'll be happy to
Hi, Ralph
2015-02-14 12:43 GMT-03:00 Ralph Schindler :
>
> 1. We aimed for maximum readability. The block syntax delimited with
>> bracket `{` ... `}` pairs is definitely easier to keep track in
>> comparison with a colon and semicolon `:`...`;`
>>
>> 2. A block delimited by a double colon and a
Hi Markus,
>
> - cognitively *I* can much easier glance through to "find" something.
> Because my eyes just have to scan up/down on the same character column
>
That's very subjective. Have you seen the use case regardless of patch
diffs on the RFC? Or the other examples given?
> - It's not alph
> 2015-02-13 13:50 GMT-03:00 Nikita Popov :
>> use PhpParser\NodeVisitorAbstract;
>> use PhpParser\Error;
>> use PhpParser\Node;
>> use PhpParser\Node\Name;
>> use PhpParser\Node\Name\FullyQualified;
>> use PhpParser\Node\Stmt\Namespace_;
>> use PhpParser\Node\Stmt\Use_;
>> use PhpParser\Node\Stmt\
2015-02-13 13:50 GMT-03:00 Nikita Popov :
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Nikita Popov
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Marcio Almada
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi internals!
>>>
>>> Since no new discussion topics appeared, the voting on the Group Use
>>> Declarations RFC for PHP7 is now
1. We aimed for maximum readability. The block syntax delimited with
bracket `{` ... `}` pairs is definitely easier to keep track in
comparison with a colon and semicolon `:`...`;`
2. A block delimited by a double colon and a semicolon `:` `;` is NOT
yet part of any structure from the PHP. Int
Hi, Lester
>> Can't we restore the simple way of working in PHP7
> >> where it does not need to wrap around other things quite so closely?
> >
> > Hi Lester,
> >
> > This way if doing things on php didn't go anywhere, people just stopped
> > using it because they saw better alternatives.
>
> I cou
On 13/02/15 21:16, Nikita Nefedov wrote:
>> Can't we restore the simple way of working in PHP7
>> where it does not need to wrap around other things quite so closely?
>
> Hi Lester,
>
> This way if doing things on php didn't go anywhere, people just stopped
> using it because they saw better alte
Hi,
> > I think this feature would be especially important if PHP gets function
> autoloading (which it may yet gain in PHP 7 - a certain someone has been
> working on it).
If someone is working on function/constant autoloading, let me know, as I have
a 100% BC RFC ready for this. I don't publis
Hi, Ralph
The current namespace implementation is there to group code, which is
> already does fairly successfully.
>
> I have to wonder if it is PHPStorm, IDE's and the like that have
> "encouraged" people to only _use_ class names instead of a particular part
> of a namespace (even if it is up t
You could very well argue that this is what relative syntax is for:
use PhpParser\NodeVisitorAbstract;
use PhpParser\Error;
use PhpParser\Node;
use PhpParser\Node\Stmt;
use PhpParser\Node\Expr;
then foo(Expr\New_ $expr)
That is even more readable and cleaner to read.
+1
The current namesp
On 13 Feb 2015 22:31, "Lester Caine" wrote:
> Can't we restore the simple way of working in PHP7
> where it does not need to wrap around other things quite so closely?
Hi Lester,
This way if doing things on php didn't go anywhere, people just stopped
using it because they saw better alternatives
On 13/02/15 17:46, Sebastian B.-Hagensen wrote:
>>> I can’t say I miss the days of putting everything in the global namespace.
>>> Makes it impossible to use two libraries with conflicting function names.
>> >
>> > Well one fix would be to have all the namespace stuff in the math.php
>> > file? Al
Hi, Yasuo
I think {} is better than [].
> Using array operator for this seems a little strange to me.
> I think this syntax is more like with block, not array.
>
> Regards,
>
Thanks for supporting the sintax choice, we tried a plethora of
possibilities during research phase and "{" "}" seemed the
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Nikita Popov wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Nikita Popov
> wrote:
>
> I'd like to follow up with another point. I've seen multiple people claim
> that code that requires so many "use"s that this proposal becomes relevant
> violates the single responsib
On Feb 13, 2015 8:41 AM, "Andrea Faulds" wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> > On 13 Feb 2015, at 16:24, Nikita Popov wrote:
> >
> > I'm in favor of this RFC. Honestly I don't really understand the
negativity
> > it is getting around here.
> >
> > The ability to import multiple items from one namespace is a
> >
Hi,
2015-02-13 18:37 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine :
> On 13/02/15 17:27, Andrea Faulds wrote:
But with Marcio’s proposal, we could instead write this:
>>
>>use function SomeLibrary\Math\{sin, cos, tan, degrees, radius};
>>> >
>>> > Well it used to be simply ...
>>> >
>>> > require Som
On 13/02/15 17:27, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>>> But with Marcio’s proposal, we could instead write this:
>>> >>
>>> >>use function SomeLibrary\Math\{sin, cos, tan, degrees, radius};
>> >
>> > Well it used to be simply ...
>> >
>> > require SomeLibrary\math.php;
> I can’t say I miss the days of p
> On 13 Feb 2015, at 17:18, Lester Caine wrote:
>
> On 13/02/15 16:41, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>> But with Marcio’s proposal, we could instead write this:
>>
>>use function SomeLibrary\Math\{sin, cos, tan, degrees, radius};
>
> Well it used to be simply ...
>
> require SomeLibrary\math.php;
On 13/02/15 16:41, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> But with Marcio’s proposal, we could instead write this:
>
> use function SomeLibrary\Math\{sin, cos, tan, degrees, radius};
Well it used to be simply ...
require SomeLibrary\math.php;
--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
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Contact -
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Nikita Popov wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Marcio Almada
> wrote:
>
>> Hi internals!
>>
>> Since no new discussion topics appeared, the voting on the Group Use
>> Declarations RFC for PHP7 is now open:
>>
>> RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/group_use_dec
Hey,
> On 13 Feb 2015, at 16:24, Nikita Popov wrote:
>
> I'm in favor of this RFC. Honestly I don't really understand the negativity
> it is getting around here.
>
> The ability to import multiple items from one namespace is a
> well-established feature you'll find in many languages employing s
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Marcio Almada
wrote:
> Hi internals!
>
> Since no new discussion topics appeared, the voting on the Group Use
> Declarations RFC for PHP7 is now open:
>
> RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/group_use_declarations#votes
> Patch: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/1005
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Netroby wrote:
> For Human type experience, {} is harder than () to type, see your
> keyboard, can you easier type {} or easier type ()
>
> I hate {}
>
> If you like to use {} as the group symbols, i would not like it.
>
> It hurts my fingers.
>
If you look
Hi Marcio,
I send this because use of array operator has some popularities at least.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Marcio Almada
wrote:
> > Yup sure. We are going to vote yes (behind my nickname).
> > However, while I agree with all your arguments, we have more syntax and
> more semantics,
Hi,
> I like use Foo\Bar\(Baz, Qux);
> For Human type experience, {} is harder than () to type, see your
> keyboard, can you easier type {} or easier type ()
> I hate {}
> If you like to use {} as the group symbols, i would not like it.
> It hurts my fingers.
Your suggested syntax was cons
Hi,
2015-02-13 1:33 GMT+01:00 Netroby :
> For Human type experience, {} is harder than () to type, see your
> keyboard, can you easier type {} or easier type ()
That depends on your keyboard and its configuration and might not be
true for the majority of php users.
> I hate {}
>
> If you like t
For Human type experience, {} is harder than () to type, see your
keyboard, can you easier type {} or easier type ()
I hate {}
If you like to use {} as the group symbols, i would not like it.
It hurts my fingers.
Appreciate your time.
Netroby
2015-02-12 17:55 GM
I like use Foo\Bar\(Baz, Qux);
Appreciate your time.
Netroby
2015-02-12 17:55 GMT+08:00 Ivan Enderlin @ Hoa :
> Hi Marcio,
>
> Thanks for the RFC!
> We discussed a little bit with the Hoa [1]'s and fruux [2]'s community and
> we have a question. Why not pretending
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Marcio Almada
wrote:
> Hi Stellan,
>
> >Hello Marcio,
> > I am inclined to vote no for a couple of reasons:
>
> > 1. This is not a BC-break, I would move the vote to PHP 7.1. The
> reasoning behind this is that the tools in the ecosystem will have a lot
> > of wo
Hi Stellan,
>Hello Marcio,
> I am inclined to vote no for a couple of reasons:
> 1. This is not a BC-break, I would move the vote to PHP 7.1. The
reasoning behind this is that the tools in the ecosystem will have a lot
> of work to get on par with PHP 7 (talking here about stuff like phpmd,
phpcp
Hello Marcio,
I am inclined to vote no for a couple of reasons:
1. This is not a BC-break, I would move the vote to PHP 7.1. The reasoning
behind this is that the tools in the ecosystem will have a lot of work to
get on par with PHP 7 (talking here about stuff like phpmd, phpcpd, phploc,
newrelic
Definitely +1 for me.
That what I proposed before. you make it happened ;-)
On 12 February 2015 at 22:25, Marcio Almada wrote:
> > Yup sure. We are going to vote yes (behind my nickname).
> > However, while I agree with all your arguments, we have more syntax and
> more semantics, it's kind of c
> Yup sure. We are going to vote yes (behind my nickname).
> However, while I agree with all your arguments, we have more syntax and
more semantics, it's kind of confusing.
> But it's a small one,
> so +1 for us.
I bet there is no way to add such a feature without adding at least a small
amount of
On 12/02/15 14:21, Marcio Almada wrote:
Thanks for the RFC!
We discussed a little bit with the Hoa [1]'s and fruux [2]'s community
and we have a question.
Why not pretending we have an array of symbols, something like:
use Foo\Bar\[Baz, Qux];
instead of
use Foo\Bar\{Baz, Qux};
This is a
> Thanks for the RFC!
> We discussed a little bit with the Hoa [1]'s and fruux [2]'s community
and we have a question.
> Why not pretending we have an array of symbols, something like:
>use Foo\Bar\[Baz, Qux];
> instead of
>use Foo\Bar\{Baz, Qux};
> This is a list vs. block debate. Whil
Hi Marcio,
Thanks for the RFC!
We discussed a little bit with the Hoa [1]'s and fruux [2]'s community
and we have a question. Why not pretending we have an array of symbols,
something like:
use Foo\Bar\[Baz, Qux];
instead of
use Foo\Bar\{Baz, Qux};
This is a list vs. block debate.
Hi Peter,
> I like the idea (reducing the repeated namespace parts), but am not too
keen on the syntax.
> If I may offer a hastily thought out, and probably terrible, idea... how
about something like "from prefix use ..." ? [...]
> That's my two cents.
Some people suggested the *"from* ... *use *
Hi Marcio,
On 11 February 2015 at 20:50, Marcio Almada wrote:
> Hi internals!
>
> Since no new discussion topics appeared, the voting on the Group Use
> Declarations RFC for PHP7 is now open:
>
> RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/group_use_declarations#votes
> Patch: https://github.com/php/php-src/p
Hi internals!
Since no new discussion topics appeared, the voting on the Group Use
Declarations RFC for PHP7 is now open:
RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/group_use_declarations#votes
Patch: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/1005
As requested I've split the vote into two slightly different syntax
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