Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-07 Thread Kiall Mac Innes
It's probably worth mentioning, to be fair to Reindl, that he can no longer respond publically to this list.. Thanks, Kiall Sent from my phone. On Apr 7, 2012 8:07 p.m., "Maciek Sokolewicz" wrote: > On 07-04-2012 03:10, John Crenshaw wrote: > > Seriously, if you're so angry that you can't even

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-07 Thread Maciek Sokolewicz
On 07-04-2012 03:10, John Crenshaw wrote: Seriously, if you're so angry that you can't even type straight you should take a break before responding. Any argument delivered like this won't be well received anyway. Take a break, find your place of zen, respond when you can be civil. Do you ha

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-07 Thread Lester Caine
Sébatien Durand wrote: But I was not completely aware of the level of change/break my suggestion will cause. I'm grateful the work you do. It was just a usability/cosmetic remark of a daily PHP user. I can live with it. You have to bear in mind that many of us have many years of code base inve

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread John Crenshaw
-Original Message- From: Reindl Harald [mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net] > Am 07.04.2012 01:30, schrieb Chris Stockton: > > Hello, > > > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Reindl Harald > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Am 06.04.2012 23:54, schrieb Tom Boutell: > >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:39 P

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 01:30, schrieb Chris Stockton: > Hello, > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 06.04.2012 23:54, schrieb Tom Boutell: >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Reindl Harald >>> wrote: >> >> the "who" in such cases are ALL developers out there damned >> c

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Chris Stockton
Hello, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 06.04.2012 23:54, schrieb Tom Boutell: >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > the "who" in such cases are ALL developers out there damned > can i send you the invoice for my time if your ideas > would be re

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread John Crenshaw
> yes, i am not able to stop calling people to lazy writing whitespaces in front morons The constant personal attacks are a violation of the mailing list rules. Nobody likes getting this in their inbox. Please let's keep this civil. John Crenshaw Priacta, Inc. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime D

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.04.2012 23:54, schrieb Tom Boutell: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> what do you expect by propose work for many people > Oh I'm sorry, do we need to start every feature suggestion with a > description of exactly who will do the work? the "who" in such cases are

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Tom Boutell
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > what do you expect by propose work for many people Oh I'm sorry, do we need to start every feature suggestion with a description of exactly who will do the work? > is it so hard  to write It is so embarrassing. Every time I type it a Ruby

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Lester Caine
Tom Boutell wrote: Knock it off with the ad-hominem attacks please. You are entitled to your views, but I suspect that this would be a nail far too far. I for one would be only too happy to cut loose and keep a REAL copy of PHP running as all this ballast is simply destroying what used to be

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.04.2012 23:30, schrieb Tom Boutell: > Knock it off with the ad-hominem attacks please. what do you expect by propose work for many people > It's not "change for the sake of change" to propose that PHP move on from > needing (and breaking mysteriously in weird > subtle ways if it's miss

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Tom Boutell
I should have said "breaking mysteriously in weird subtle ways if there are blank lines before wrote: > Knock it off with the ad-hominem attacks please. It's not "change for > the sake of change" to propose that PHP move on from needing the stop of every class file (and breaking mysteriously in w

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Tom Boutell
Knock it off with the ad-hominem attacks please. It's not "change for the sake of change" to propose that PHP move on from needing wrote: > what exactly is your problem? > having solution searching problem? > > what are people like you try to achieve? > what would make you happy in breaking BC? >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Reindl Harald
what exactly is your problem? having solution searching problem? what are people like you try to achieve? what would make you happy in breaking BC? what would you make happy generate lot of work for others? what would be better for anybody? change for the sake of the change is blindly stupid Am

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Tom Boutell
To tell the truth I'd be more excited by a proposal to kill wrote: > I have to agree with that. Also: does PHP need to be a templating > language anymore, given excellent templating language implementations > in PHP, like Twig? > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, John Crenshaw > wrote: >>> -

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Tom Boutell
I have to agree with that. Also: does PHP need to be a templating language anymore, given excellent templating language implementations in PHP, like Twig? On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, John Crenshaw wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Sébatien Durand [mailto:sun...@live.com] >> Sent:

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread John Crenshaw
> -Original Message- > From: Sébatien Durand [mailto:sun...@live.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:55 PM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language > > IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so simple and > powerful, compare

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.04.2012 04:55, schrieb Sébatien Durand: > IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so simple > and powerful, compared to other web languages. > > So far, we have " > A suggestion : deprecate these old tags and replace them with a more > elegant and a shorter impleme

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-05 Thread Philip Olson
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 04/05/2012 07:55 PM, Sébatien Durand wrote: >> IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so simple >> and powerful, compared to other web languages. >> >> So far, we have "> >> A suggestion : deprecate these old tags an

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

2012-04-05 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 04/05/2012 07:55 PM, Sébatien Durand wrote: > IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so simple > and powerful, compared to other web languages. > > So far, we have " > A suggestion : deprecate these old tags and replace them with a more > elegant and a shorter implemen