Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-02 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 1-okt-2007, at 19:35, Brian Dickson wrote: I'm a bit confused by the above. It might be terminology, or your use of it, but either way, it would be helpful to give some examples of IOS server(s) and IOS client(s), doing DHCPv6 vanilla, and DHCPv6 with PD. You mean something like this?

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Ralph Droms
Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification... - Ralph On Oct 1, 2007, at Oct 1, 2007,1:23 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 1-okt-2007, at 19:09, Ralph Droms wrote: Didn't you write recently that you knew of no DHCPv6 implementations when you wrote your book? I don't think so. I probably said

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Jim Jackson
On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, Brian Dickson wrote: > Ralph Droms wrote: > > Cisco's CNR and IOS DHCPv6 servers both implement PD. The IOS DHCPv6 > > client implements PD, and can automatically assign /64s from a > > delegated prefix to downstream interfaces. > I'm a bit confused by the above. It might b

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Brian Dickson
Ralph Droms wrote: Cisco's CNR and IOS DHCPv6 servers both implement PD. The IOS DHCPv6 client implements PD, and can automatically assign /64s from a delegated prefix to downstream interfaces. I'm a bit confused by the above. It might be terminology, or your use of it, but either way, it woul

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 1-okt-2007, at 19:09, Ralph Droms wrote: Didn't you write recently that you knew of no DHCPv6 implementations when you wrote your book? I don't think so. I probably said no implementations that do address assignment.

RE: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Templin, Fred L
> ??? > > Do you mean: can it assign interface addresses from the delegated > prefixes via DHCPv6 on downstream interfaces as well? Let's say that I'm a requesting router, and all I need is a /128. Shouldn't I be able to ask a delegating router for a /128, and then assign it to one of my downst

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Ralph Droms
??? Do you mean: can it assign interface addresses from the delegated prefixes via DHCPv6 on downstream interfaces as well? - Ralph On Oct 1, 2007, at Oct 1, 2007,1:12 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: Cisco's CNR and IOS DHCPv6 servers both implement PD. The IOS DHCPv6 client implements PD

RE: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Templin, Fred L
> Cisco's CNR and IOS DHCPv6 servers both implement PD. The IOS DHCPv6 > client implements PD, and can automatically assign /64s from a > delegated prefix to downstream interfaces. That's good. Can it also do /128's? Thanks - Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Ralph Droms
Didn't you write recently that you knew of no DHCPv6 implementations when you wrote your book? - Ralph On Oct 1, 2007, at Oct 1, 2007,12:21 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 1-okt-2007, at 16:01, Templin, Fred L wrote: I would be interested to know who has implemented and/or is using DHC

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Ralph Droms
UAN HUARTE FEDERICO; Iljitsch van Beijnum; IPV6 Mailing List Subject: Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf Ralph Droms writes: Cisco has had DHCPv6 (client, server and relay agent) in IOS since 2003. The first TAHI DHCPv6 testing was also in 2003. Results from the interoperability

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 1-okt-2007, at 16:01, Templin, Fred L wrote: I would be interested to know who has implemented and/or is using DHCPv6 prefix delegation (RFC3633), because I'm seeing some interesting use cases for it. When I was writing my book ( http://www.runningipv6.net/ ) in 2005 I did some testing be

RE: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread James Carlson
Templin, Fred L writes: > I would be interested to know who has implemented and/or > is using DHCPv6 prefix delegation (RFC3633), because I'm > seeing some interesting use cases for it. Yep. And I know I haven't implemented it. ;-} -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking <[EMAIL PROT

RE: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread Templin, Fred L
ay, October 01, 2007 5:30 AM > To: Ralph Droms > Cc: DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO; Iljitsch van Beijnum; IPV6 Mailing List > Subject: Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf > > Ralph Droms writes: > > Cisco has had DHCPv6 (client, server and relay agent) in IOS since >

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-10-01 Thread James Carlson
Ralph Droms writes: > Cisco has had DHCPv6 (client, server and relay agent) in IOS since > 2003. The first TAHI DHCPv6 testing was also in 2003. Results from > the interoperability testing of several servers and clients was used > to improve the DHCPv6 spec (RFC 3315), published in July 200

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-29 Thread Ralph Droms
Cisco has had DHCPv6 (client, server and relay agent) in IOS since 2003. The first TAHI DHCPv6 testing was also in 2003. Results from the interoperability testing of several servers and clients was used to improve the DHCPv6 spec (RFC 3315), published in July 2003. The dibbler project DH

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Brian Dickson
Alain Durand wrote: Coming late into this discussion... In our deployment which concern a very large number of devices (many millions), we will use DHCPv6 only. Thanks for your answer, it certainly adds much to the poll results. (!!) Would you mind a few follow-up questions, on the DHCPv6 s

RE: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Bernie Volz \(volz\)
: Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:01 PM To: DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO Cc: IPV6 Mailing List Subject: Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf On 28-sep-2007, at 20:00, DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO wrote: > If a network administrator decides to set

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 28-sep-2007, at 20:00, DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO wrote: If a network administrator decides to set the M bit meaning that it intends to always manage the address configuration, can he expect all hosts to support the DHCP functionality? In other words, is DHCP a MUST implement for IPv6 host

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Brian Haberman
DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO wrote: Hi, I apologize for abusing of this thread but I'm looking for a simple answer (if such thing is possible) If a network administrator decides to set the M bit meaning that it intends to always manage the address configuration, can he expect all hosts to support t

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Basavaraj Patil
Alain, In your deployment, you probably control the host as well and hence can choose DHCPv6 as the only mechanism for address assignment. This works fine in such an environment. But not in an environment where many different types of hosts with different capabilities could attach to the network.

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread James Carlson
james woodyatt writes: > On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:00, DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO wrote: > > > > In other words, is DHCP a MUST implement for IPv6 hosts? > > Only if they expect to obtain service from the router sending > advertisements with M=1. Nodes that don't implement DHCP6 are free > to obtai

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Alain Durand
Whatever the IETF decides, implementers are free to implement what they want and network managers are free to deploy what they want the way they want. Ie, devices that may or may not implement DHCPv6. Some devices that have DHCPv6 implemented could be configured to ignore completely the M bit and

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread james woodyatt
On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:49, James Carlson wrote: And it'd probably take the threat of violence to prevent them from using manually-configured addresses (even global scope ones) if they so choose. Or EAPOL. -- james woodyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> member of technical staff, communications enginee

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Alain Durand
On 9/28/07 12:42 PM, "james woodyatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sep 28, 2007, at 07:01, Alain Durand wrote: >> > >> > 0% stateless autoconf. > > Do you mean there will be router advertisements with M=1 and one or > more prefix information options with A=0? > > > > > * It will depend.

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread james woodyatt
On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:00, DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO wrote: In other words, is DHCP a MUST implement for IPv6 hosts? Only if they expect to obtain service from the router sending advertisements with M=1. Nodes that don't implement DHCP6 are free to obtain service from other routers on the s

RE: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread DE JUAN HUARTE FEDERICO
? In other words, is DHCP a MUST implement for IPv6 hosts? Regards federico -Message d'origine- De : james woodyatt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 28 septembre 2007 18:43 À : IPV6 Mailing List Objet : Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf On Sep 28, 2007, at 07

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread james woodyatt
On Sep 28, 2007, at 07:01, Alain Durand wrote: 0% stateless autoconf. Do you mean there will be router advertisements with M=1 and one or more prefix information options with A=0? -- james woodyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> member of technical staff, communications engineering --

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-28 Thread Alain Durand
Coming late into this discussion... In our deployment which concern a very large number of devices (many millions), we will use DHCPv6 only. In our internal infrastructure, we are planning to use mostly DHCPv6 on servers and manual config for anything where DHCPv6 may not make sense, eg routers.

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-24 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 02:37:33PM -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: > >> > >>I and I suspect others took it as a serious question. Since you > >>didn't answer, I ignored your poll. > >> > >I didn't answer *yet* as of then, but have answered it now. > > > >Does this mean you'll answer the poll now? > > >

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-19 Thread Bob Hinden
I and I suspect others took it as a serious question. Since you didn't answer, I ignored your poll. I didn't answer *yet* as of then, but have answered it now. Does this mean you'll answer the poll now? Sure, 100% auto-config. Bob -

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-19 Thread Brian Dickson
Bob Hinden wrote: On Sep 19, 2007, at 1:40 PM, ext Brian Dickson wrote: Bob Hinden wrote: Yes, right after you sent the poll. See: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/msg08529.html I thought it was odd you didn't respond. Okay, I stand corrected. I got *one* request for

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-19 Thread Bob Hinden
On Sep 19, 2007, at 1:40 PM, ext Brian Dickson wrote: Bob Hinden wrote: Yes, right after you sent the poll. See: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/msg08529.html I thought it was odd you didn't respond. Okay, I stand corrected. I got *one* request for a clarification,

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-19 Thread Brian Dickson
Bob Hinden wrote: Yes, right after you sent the poll. See: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/msg08529.html I thought it was odd you didn't respond. Okay, I stand corrected. I got *one* request for a clarification, and it was from Illjitsch. Because of who asked the questi

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-19 Thread Bob Hinden
Brian, I think the reason for the small number of responses was that you never clarified if you were talking about hosts, routers, or both. Hmmm I never received any requests for clarification, so I don't agree that it was confusing. Do you know of anyone personally that chose not to an

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-19 Thread Brian Dickson
Bob Hinden wrote: On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:58 PM, ext Brian Dickson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I realize this list might not represent the bulk of the deployed IPv6 networks... nonetheless, I'm curious.) This is an informal survey of what is deployed in terms of IPv6 networks. Do you u

Re: Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-19 Thread Bob Hinden
On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:58 PM, ext Brian Dickson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I realize this list might not represent the bulk of the deployed IPv6 networks... nonetheless, I'm curious.) This is an informal survey of what is deployed in terms of IPv6 networks. Do you use autoconf only

Results: Straw poll: autoconf vs manual conf

2007-09-13 Thread Brian Dickson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (I realize this list might not represent the bulk of the deployed IPv6 > networks... nonetheless, I'm curious.) > > This is an informal survey of what is deployed in terms of IPv6 networks. > Do you use autoconf only, static assignments only, or a mix? > > Many thanks