RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-08-24 Thread mohamed.boucadair
. This is documented in Section 3.1 of the draft. o Implemented some wording changes suggested by P. Koch. o Update the section with examples. A detailed diff is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-04. Cheers, Med

RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-08-15 Thread mohamed.boucadair
: BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Bob Hinden; ipv6@ietf.org; Jacni Qin; draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-for...@tools.ietf.org; Stig Venaas Objet : Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Med, The new draft appears to have many changes from the previous version. It would

RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-08-15 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Venaas Objet : Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:09 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Dear all, I'm initiating this thread in the hope of understanding the objections from the 6man WG and hopefully to make some progress for this document

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-08-14 Thread Bob Hinden
for the unicast counterpart of these use cases? Yes; various solutions including: 1. 6-4: RFC6146 2. 4-6-4: RFC6333, RFC6346, ... The latest version of the document is available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-03. Comments and suggestions

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-08-14 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:09 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Dear all, I'm initiating this thread in the hope of understanding the objections from the 6man WG and hopefully to make some progress for this document. To initiate the discussion, below are provided some preliminary Q/A:

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-08-14 Thread Stig Venaas
On 8/14/2012 9:40 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:09 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Dear all, I'm initiating this thread in the hope of understanding the objections from the 6man WG and hopefully to make some progress for this document. To initiate the

draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-06-07 Thread Bob Hinden
After a discussion between the 6man chairs, the Internet and OM Area Directors, the AD's have decided to move this draft to 6MAN. See the email from Ron Bonica to the mboned list: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mboned/current/msg01592.html We would like to encourage discussion of this

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-26 Thread Tom Taylor
I think there's a misunderstanding here. The only requirement is to translate the IP headers. The document in question deals with the address translation part of that task. On 25/05/2012 11:09 PM, Jon Steen wrote: Sorry all, coming into this late. I have read the RFC and really do not get why

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-25 Thread Jon Steen
added two appendixes to explain: Not seeing a response on the list, it wasn't clear to me. * Why an Address Format is Needed for Multicast IPv4-IPv6 Interconnection? ( http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-02#appendix-A.1 ) This just restates that you

RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-23 Thread mohamed.boucadair
version: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-02 Cheers, Med De : ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Envoyé : vendredi 4 mai 2012 14:50 À : mboned-cha

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-23 Thread Bob Hinden
the MPREFIX64 (comment from C. Bormann) Diff from previous version: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-02 Cheers, Med De : ipv6-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Envoyé : vendredi

RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-23 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear Bob, Yes, I read that message. It is one of reasons I added two appendixes to explain: * Why an Address Format is Needed for Multicast IPv4-IPv6 Interconnection? (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-02#appendix-A.1) * Why Identifying an IPv4-Embedded

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-15 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Brian, Sorry for getting back late. I read Bert's answers to your questions. His answers are inline with my answers. Most information are statically configured. For example: Ch1 is statically configured to 224.1.2.3 via OOB mechanism. If the STB is IPv4 only, it will only use IPv4 mcast

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-15 Thread Stig Venaas
On 5/14/2012 1:50 PM, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Brian, Sorry for getting back late. I read Bert's answers to your questions. His answers are inline with my answers. Most information are statically configured. For example: Ch1 is statically configured to 224.1.2.3 via OOB mechanism. If the STB is IPv4

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-15 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Stig, Right. I explain only one use case. Other may find the latter case is more attractive for their deployments. This address format should enable the dynamic use case as well. Yiu On 5/14/12 4:56 PM, Stig Venaas s...@cisco.com wrote: On 5/14/2012 1:50 PM, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Brian,

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-15 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
have draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format. However, there has been many objections to draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format because it is trying to extend IP addressing architecture. I do agree to those who say that we do not need to extend the architecture and hope that a simpler

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-15 Thread Jacni Qin
Re-, On 5/15/2012 Tuesday 5:06 AM, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Stig, Right. I explain only one use case. Other may find the latter case is more attractive for their deployments. This address format should enable the dynamic use case as well. Yes, imaging the coexistence of the native provisioning and

RE: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-11 Thread Tina TSOU
-format@tools.ietf.org; The IESG; mbo...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast- address-format-01 Hi Yiu, Let me ask a few questions... On 5/9/12 10:52 PM, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Carsten, Thanks very much for reviewing the document. I just

RE: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
application-layer protocols; draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format@tools.ietf.org Objet : Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01 Hi Yiu, Let me ask a few questions... On 5/9/12 10:52 PM, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Carsten, Thanks very much

Re: APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-10 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Carsten, Thanks very much for reviewing the document. I just want to add a point to your question about how applications decide when to use this multicast address format. In fact, they don't. Imagine a use case where a legacy IPv4 IP-TV receiver (an app) wants to join a channel which is

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-10 Thread Jacni Qin
Hi Carsten, Thanks a lot for your comments, please see inline below. On 5/10/2012 Thursday 2:20 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: Hi Med, thanks for looking into my review. Let me take this opportunity to reiterate that, while I wrote this review for the Applications Area Directorate, it is not

RE: APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-10 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear Carsten, Please see inline. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : Carsten Bormann [mailto:c...@tzi.org] Envoyé : mercredi 9 mai 2012 20:21 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format@tools.ietf.or g; apps-disc...@ietf.org application

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-10 Thread Carsten Bormann
Hi Tina, thanks for the pointers. On the problem statement, you say: It's has been adopted as MBONED WG item. The authors will submit the WG draft soon. So I would normally expect the two documents (problem statement and normative spec) to go through as a cluster (if not the problem

RE: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-10 Thread mohamed.boucadair
d'origine- De : Carsten Bormann [mailto:c...@tzi.org] Envoyé : jeudi 10 mai 2012 13:01 À : Tina TSOU Cc : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; mbo...@ietf.org; 6...@ietf.org; The IESG; apps-disc...@ietf.org application-layer protocols; draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-10 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi Yiu, Let me ask a few questions... On 5/9/12 10:52 PM, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Carsten, Thanks very much for reviewing the document. I just want to add a point to your question about how applications decide when to use this multicast address format. In fact, they don't. Imagine a use case

RE: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-10 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
From: mboned-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:mboned-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman On 5/9/12 10:52 PM, Lee, Yiu wrote: Hi Carsten, Thanks very much for reviewing the document. I just want to add a point to your question about how applications decide when to use this multicast

RE: APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-09 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear Carsten, Thank you for the review. Please see inline. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : Carsten Bormann [mailto:c...@tzi.org] Envoyé : dimanche 6 mai 2012 22:58 À : draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format@tools.ietf.or g; apps-disc...@ietf.org application-layer

Re: APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-09 Thread Carsten Bormann
Hi Med, thanks for looking into my review. Let me take this opportunity to reiterate that, while I wrote this review for the Applications Area Directorate, it is not intended to bear more weight than any other comment submitted by an individual during a Last Call. Med: There are plenty of

Re: [MBONED] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-09 Thread Tina TSOU
Sent from my iPad On May 9, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote: Hi Med, thanks for looking into my review. Let me take this opportunity to reiterate that, while I wrote this review for the Applications Area Directorate, it is not intended to bear more weight than

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-07 Thread Tom Taylor
I'd like to respond to one of your points. Your overall thrust (preservation of the existing architure) is reasonable, but it is really useful operationally for nodes to be able to recognize IPv6 multicast addresses that contain embedded IPv4 multicast addresses. If the path taken by the

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-07 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Dear Bob, et al.; On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: Med, On May 4, 2012, at 5:50 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Dear all, During the IETF LC for draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format, Brian suggested

APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01

2012-05-06 Thread Carsten Bormann
for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. Grüße, Carsten - Document: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01 Title: IPv4-Embedded IPv6 Multicast Address Format Reviewer: Carsten Bormann Review Date: 2012-05

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Med, On May 4, 2012, at 5:50 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Dear all, During the IETF LC for draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format, Brian suggested to use the remaining flag instead of reserving ff3x:0:8000/33 (SSM) and ffxx:8000/17 (ASM

draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-04 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear all, During the IETF LC for draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format, Brian suggested to use the remaining flag instead of reserving ff3x:0:8000/33 (SSM) and ffxx:8000/17 (ASM) blocks. FYI, we have considered that approach in an early version of the document but it has been abandoned

RE: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-04 Thread Manfredi, Albert E
Of mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:50 AM To: mboned-cha...@ietf.org; ipv6@ietf.org Cc: Brian Haberman; draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-for...@tools.ietf.org Subject: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Dear all, During the IETF LC for draft-ietf-mboned-64

Re: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-05-04 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Haberman; draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-for...@tools.ietf.org Subject: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format Dear all, During the IETF LC for draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format, Brian suggested to use the remaining flag instead of reserving ff3x:0:8000/33 (SSM

Fwd: Last Call: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01.txt (IPv4-Embedded IPv6 Multicast Address Format) to Proposed Standard

2012-04-19 Thread Bob Hinden
...@ietf.org Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01.txt (IPv4-Embedded IPv6 Multicast Address Format) to Proposed Standard Reply-To: i...@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the MBONE Deployment WG (mboned) to consider the following document: - 'IPv4-Embedded

Request for review: draft-ietf-mboned-64-multicast-address-format

2012-02-29 Thread Brian Haberman
-mboned-64-multicast-address-format-01.txt Pages : 12 Date: 2012-02-29 Regards, Brian IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6