Code generation needs to be as reliable as the sun rising for it to be
viable.
I recently have been doing ETL work with Talend, it generates a large
quantity of java code out of its drag and drop UI.
I'v had issues with it violating the rules of java (Too large
methods), the model and the code
I've not heard the latest podcast yet so I can't comment on the
balance. However in the absence of any real movement in the Java space
it must be difficult to put an hour of core Java discussion together.
I am perfectly happy to hear conversation about relevant related tech.
Android in particular
I can see that a lot of people are upset but part of me thinks
(perhaps channeling Dick Wall) that
maybe it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things and perhaps we
could all just
breath deeply and join hands and sing Kumbaya.
Carl
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I might mention that the members of the Java Posse create the podcast
in their own free time and are not doing it to officially represent
any organisation or necessarily have any financial gain from running
the podcast.
That being the case isn't it the prerogative of the Java Posse to
chose what
+1
On Jun 15, 8:58 am, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
I might mention that the members of the Java Posse create the podcast
in their own free time and are not doing it to officially represent
any organisation or necessarily have any financial gain from running
the podcast.
That being
Of course no-one is forced to listen to the podcast.. Richard, I think, was
just trying to leave some subtle, like a sledgehammer, feedback about *why* he
wasn't going to listen any more. In a twisted way that's actually quite
constructive.
That said, I'm sure the Posse are more interested in
The dilemma, as I see it, is that how can you talk about Apple
objectively when you have Joe - a self-confessed Apple groupie - who
will defend Apple to the hilt? You can't unfortunately, hence the
awkward moments a bit like watching your parents argue.
I did feel it was unnecessary to talk about
I believe the JavaPosse should devote about the same amount of time to
covering the iPhone as it does to covering other things with an
analogous impact to Java, e.g.:
* The latest Windows OS version / service pack
* The latest Internet Explorer version / service pack
* The latest .Net
The elephant in the room is that if there were more going on in Java,
if it were the disruptive technology that was changing the industry,
there would be no time for or interest in what Apple is doing, or
anyone else for that matter.
Even excluding time spent on iPhone and friends, the top Java
Just as a quick tangent while I listen to the latest episode.
The iPhone made a big deal about video calling on the phone making out
as if it hasn't been done before.
I wondered if I was the only person who thought, Didn't the '3'
network in the UK have video enabled phones running over 3G
I disagree there is nothing else to talk about in the world of Java.
I mean, how many conferences do we have now centred around Java?
There's plenty there to explore and discuss on the podcast.
No one says it must be all new stuff anyway. I've mentioned in the
past people they could consider
To solve the quarrel about tech talk and Joe:
I am listening to other podcasts where the same publishers (the posse
members in this case) deliver different episodes with different focus.
So there could be a java focused episode, a Scala focused episode and
a user experience focused episode for
Flex is Java too. Android / Dalvik was already mentioned.
Then we also have:
- Fantom
- Clojure
- Erjang
- Fortress
- JRuby
- Groovy
- JavaScript
- Jaskell
- Jython
- PHP
etc.
all running on the Java™ Virtual Machine.
So it definitely seems more than a little
On Jun 15, 4:29 pm, Chris Adamson invalidn...@gmail.com wrote:
The elephant in the room is that if there were more going on in Java,
if it were the disruptive technology that was changing the industry,
there would be no time for or interest in what Apple is doing, or
anyone else for that
I have no complaint with more focus on Scala and Android.
The iPhone (1) doesn't allow anything like Java to even approach it and
(2) [as I and many others I know see it] is an Orwellian scenario from a
development marketplace perspective -- it's an attempt to lock
developers into a
I must admit that I am interested in what happens in the mobile space.
It is a shame official JavaME could not be used on Android. Much as
Java on the desktop has been GPL'ed and set free
the JavaME as I understanding still involves paying royalties /
licensing cost to use it (if I understand
It is starting to seem as though Oracle corp. is increasingly
irrelevant.
I started thinking about this after reading the following article:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/09/harmony_android_oracle_apache/
It appears to me that it will be very hard for Oracle to control Java.
Also, they
This is newsworthy for the Posse. Hopefully they covered it in their
podcasts. I'm still trying to catch up.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Blanford euroscript...@gmail.com wrote:
It is starting to seem as though Oracle corp. is increasingly
irrelevant.
I started thinking about this
You're absolutely right. 3 launched a video calling service in 2001.
It was quite radical in that it worked over 3G (gasp!) And you could
call any brand of phone that supported video calls (no, really, I'm
not yanking your chain!). Although 3 is a successful business and has
the most complete 3G
I'm staggered that you predict the demise of Oracle (second biggest
software company after Microsoft for years) because of a spat about
Java on Android?
I think you are just trolling my friend!
R
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Blanford euroscript...@gmail.com wrote:
It is starting to seem as
One thing that I will say is that for all that I was never ignorant of
it's many faults I miss Sun Microsystems very much. I even hoped I
might have a shot at working for them one day. Every time I see the
Sun logo anywhere it makes me feel sad inside.
I didn't know if my enthusiasm for Sun could
I don't think the Posse themselves have ever justified all this
extraneous Apple talk as filler because not much is happening in the
Java space - someone on here said that.
In fact, if anything, they always seem to run out of time (could be
the extras!).
What would really help fill a podcast
@Rakesh
My thoughts are that Oracle is running out of time.
In my region managers like to buy Microsoft whenever possible.
This means SQL Server. SQL Server (based on Sybase) is a powerful
choice that
has been winning in the COTS arena.
In the Open Source realm there are many options (like
I hardly think a bastardized Android JVM is a death knell for Oracle.
Relatively speaking, Android is still a tiny fraction of the market.
Yeah, the Sun acquisition is a bit of a gamble but arguably Sun has some
great technology that wasn't properly marketed + sold. So maybe Oracle can
figure out
The Little Gamers web comic nailed Apple and Jobs pretty good on
this very point:
http://www.little-gamers.com/2010/06/08/if-he-uses-something-old-so-will-i/
-Chris
On Jun 15, 11:56 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote:
You're absolutely right. 3 launched a video calling service in 2001.
It
It does make me think that I have the technology to do video
conferencing with other people on my computer and it was a novelty
when it was new but these days, the majority of the the time, being
able to see the other person doesn't add a whole lot to the
experience. If it is someone you already
I'm staggered that you predict the demise of Oracle (second
biggest
software company after Microsoft for years)
because of a spat about
Java on Android?
I think you are just trolling my friend!
Indeed. And I think it made more sense to make predictions on Oracle's future
reading the
I just read through the thread up to this point, so this isn't a reply
to one particular person. And I'm speaking just for myself, not Dick,
Carl or Joe.
First of all, no, we did not go to the biweekly format because we
don't have stuff to talk about. The reasons were exactly what we said
they
Seriously, other than your spouse, there are probably few people you want to
look at while talking on the phone. Most of us are busy doing something and
video requires 100% concentration since the person on the other end of the
call can see what you are doing. There are other cases of course where
I wonder if here would be a good place to discuss the future of JavaME
or would it be better having a thread of its own? It is kind of
relevant to what Android does for the mobile landscape.
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I just noted the article comes from the Register. I swear the Register
never had a good word to say about Sun and now it seems that has
translated to attacking Oracle. I might conclude that someone at Sun
ran over someone at The Register's puppy or something. It wouldn't
surprise me if the so
Cynical about biased media or the puppy being run over? I'm guessing the
puppy.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Carl Jokl carl.j...@gmail.com wrote:
I just noted the article comes from the Register. I swear the Register
never had a good word to say about Sun and now it seems that has
We have an audience? Oh dear :--) We do care tho, which is why we cut out
so much discussion every so often when our discussions go off the dead end
on things that just don't really matter for a java podcast. Sure it makes
editing longer tho...
Maybe we just need to wrangle in bit more
errr, how come no ones picking up the fact its WiFi only? Isn't that a
bit limiting?
R
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Robert Casto casto.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously, other than your spouse, there are probably few people you want to
look at while talking on the phone. Most of us are
I am sorry if this is a bit of a touchy subject but hearing people go
on about how bad Sun was while I am still pretty chewed up that Sun is
gone. Sun must have done something right if I miss them so much.
I seem to have posted a lot recently maybe too much.
I am pretty isolated in the Java
Thats totally true - I completely understand that the four of them
have a blast with their podcast and power to them for it. Its just
that it is now no longer the podcast it was, Joe appears to be the
sole reason for this, and thus I vote with my feet. There is no over-
reaction here - this is
They surely did something good ! :-) Our profession often requires a certain
emotional involvement. For some being more than for others. And sometimes
that's difficult to understand to outsiders (personal opinion again). It's
the spirit I think was present in Sun : an enterprise for developers by
I found A LOT of people picked up on that. WiFi -AND- iPhone 4 ONLY. Not
even iPhone-OSX.
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On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Rakesh rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com wrote:
errr, how come no ones picking up the fact its WiFi only? Isn't that a
bit limiting?
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Well you're dreaming up a nice conspiracy against Microsoft
(apparently you have to do that to be involved in the Java world), but
I think it's simply a bad journalist and a crappy site for reasons I
outlined 4 days ago here [http://bit.ly/bG0KU6].
On Jun 15, 9:49 pm, Carl Jokl
That is a bit harsh, Richard, and frankly a bit rude. You may
certainly walk away, and to be honest that does bum us out (even me).
We know we can't please everyone, but we do honestly hope not to
deeply upset anyone.
There are many intense technical discussions about nuances of language
Perhaps if the show was called The Coding Posse or The Programming Posse
people wouldn't get so upset?
I understand Richard's point of view. He comes to the podcast looking for
Java stuff. Sometimes the Java news and topics are quite thin. Nothing wrong
with that but if you are looking for J2EE,
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