Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-12 Thread Scott M Stark
Having to nest jars in a particular manner to achieve the correct deployment ordering certainly is not simple. Here your talking about the static deployment directories while all of the current issues are with self-contained deployment units of j2ee components and services. We need a simple mechan

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-12 Thread David Jencks
This can be done today simply by including the list of 3 or whatever directories in the URLDeploymentScanner. Jason just needs to sort each directory separately when he puts the sorting back in. david jencks On 2002.03.12 21:56:01 -0500 marc fleury wrote: > ok, it is 3 am in london and i drank

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-12 Thread David Jencks
Are you sure it is that hard to understand or do? Usually the default order of peer subpackages works fine: if you want something else you can use nesting. I think that if we can convert jndi dependencies into mbean dependencies a lot of problems will go away without any more deployment descript

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-12 Thread Scott M Stark
rvice. Likewise, if a service is using an ejb or servlet how is this specified? - Original Message - From: "David Jencks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal > Are you sure it

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-12 Thread Jason Dillon
> > >deploy/first/ > >deploy/second/ > >deploy/third/ > >a la 'init.d/rc1-2-3' > Not such a hot idea. There was talk about this a while ago What is the real issue here? Why doesn't the depends attribute handle it? > >a bit more complex to code but would be worth it... > Does not seem lik

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-12 Thread marc fleury
|-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott |M Stark |Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:33 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal | | | |Ordering should not be a function of the packaging. I should |be able to creat

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
|This can be done today simply by including the list of 3 or whatever |directories in the URLDeploymentScanner. Jason just needs to sort each |directory separately when he puts the sorting back in. right, let's just do that, it is simple and will cover 99% cases. we need to 1- document the depl

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
|-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc |fleury |Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:19 AM |To: David Jencks |Cc: Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net |Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal | | ||This can be done today

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
David Jencks |Cc: Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net |Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal | | | | ||-Original Message- ||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc ||fleury ||Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:19 AM ||To: David Jencks ||Cc: Jboss-Dev

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
|Why doesn't depends handle this? because marcf | |--jason | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Peter Antman
On 13 Mar, marc fleury wrote: [...] > The problem is a painful russian doll structure. > > 3- however there are 3 static directories deploy/first, deploy/second, > deploy/third, actually i could call them > deploy/deploy1, deploy/deploy2/deploy3... and allow for arbitrary numbers > but we would p

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Peter Fagerlund
on 13-03-2 14.42, marc fleury at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > rc1-rc6 has been in Unix for 20 years, so let's stop fucking around A understandeble order there ... mmm - I can not help thinking of a observer pattern design for the dependency and deploy order. Together with a interface registry laye

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Scott M Stark
- Original Message - From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "David Jencks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wed

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
|/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S10network will start before /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S80sendmail |because 10 commes before 80. whatever, stuff in rc2 is started before stuff in rc3 also the S10network before the S80sendmail is a convention that is actually great, it is an explicit ordering of deployments and is maybe

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Scott M Stark
. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: "Scott M Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:47 AM S

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
|This is using Ant as the deployment language. If the sar depends on the |war because it is adapting a legacy protocol to soap for example, you |would then need to repackage the above to: | |jar/ |---war/ |--sar |--jar2 that is correct, | |I would rather see an ear as the standalone dep

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
|-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott |M Stark |Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:00 AM |To: Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal | | |Or equivalently, mirror the deploy1, deploy2

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Christian Riege
Hi, On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 16:47, marc fleury wrote: > |/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S10network will start before /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S80sendmail > |because 10 commes before 80. > > whatever, > > stuff in rc2 is started before stuff in rc3 this is not correct when looked upon from the UNIX perspective. My syste

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Bill Burke
g you need, no? Bill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc > fleury > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:00 AM > To: Scott M Stark; Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net > Subject: RE: [JB

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
t; fleury |> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:00 AM |> To: Scott M Stark; Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net |> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal |> |> |> |> |> |-Original Message- |> |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Bill Burke
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of marc > fleury > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:50 PM > To: Bill Burke; Scott M Stark; Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . > Net > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering p

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread marc fleury
|I like this "I'll ask the class". How many other software |projects have the |actual developers talking to the user base? you moron, our user base of today will spawn our developers of tomorrow. it is our best recruitment ground. you should see the class, the jboss boot-camp for developers, th

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Scott M Stark
ott M Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal > directory solution is better and easier to maintain IMHO than the SXX stuff. &g

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Scott M Stark
ry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "JBoss Dev list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal > Hi, > > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 16:47, marc fleury wrote: > > |/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S10network will start befo

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Jason Dillon
> > >and there was an order at the same level xml>sar>rar>ear>war>ejb or >something like this. > >btw jason, we really need this back, > Will do. >THEN, yes i agree that forcing order through containment needs to be >enhanced by some explicit dependency order. > Definently... we have the abilit

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Jason Dillon
ssage - >From: "Scott M Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:47 AM >Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal > > >>- Original Messag

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Jason Dillon
TECTED]]On Behalf Of marc >>fleury >>Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:00 AM >>To: Scott M Stark; Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge . Net >>Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal >> >> >> >> >>|-Original Message- >>|From:

RE: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-13 Thread Bill Burke
es for everyone. Directoy > >ordering and should be good enough for the implicit > and explicit > >ordering you need, no? > > > >Bill > > > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf O

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-14 Thread Christian Riege
Hi, On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 23:53, Jason Dillon wrote: > It will however complicate the management of the system dramatically... > actually any of the solutions/hacks which have been mentiond will only > complicate. Yeah, everything is more complicated than "copy to deploy dir". But then people

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-14 Thread Jason Dillon
> > >I don't think so. Implement one or the other but supporting both is >going to be a nightmare from a maintenance standpoint. Imagine a user >using the numbered order in a directory configuration. *shiver* > So, my point was to fix the system such that neither is needed for deployment to func

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-16 Thread Jason Dillon
> > >this is great, this is today in cvs, unless a certain someone removed this >as well. > =P >The problem is a painful russian doll structure. > >3- however there are 3 static directories deploy/first, deploy/second, >deploy/third, actually i could call them >deploy/deploy1, deploy/deploy2/dep

Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal

2002-03-16 Thread Jason Dillon
>>-Original Message- >>From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:53 PM >>To: Bill Burke >>Cc: marc fleury; Scott M Stark; Jboss-Development @ Lists . Sourceforge >>. Net >>Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] ordering proposal