JSP Standard Tag Library, and more... - JWSDP EA2 & JaX Spring'02

2002-03-21 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
JavaOne is early this year but the tradition of releasing just before JavaOne continues :-). The Java Web Services Developer Pack EA2 release and Java Web Services Tutorial, and the Java XML Pack Spring '02 release are now available for download! Notable additions to this version of the Java XM

New pack available from SUN.

2002-01-30 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
SUN just released the Java WS Developer pack EA1 at http://java.sun.com/webservices/webservicespack.html This pack provides functionality for implementing Web Applications and Web Services. For Web Services, the pack provides access to early versions of the standard Java APIs that are being

New WS forum available

2002-01-30 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
> mediated, or converted for presentation. This Forum covers JAX-RPC, > JAXR, JAXM and related APIs. Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST&q

Online chat on JSP and JSPTL

2001-10-22 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Some self-promotion that hopefully would be of interest to many in this mailing list... WHAT: Online chat on JavaServer PagesTM (JSPTM) Technology and JSP Tag Libraries WHO: Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart and Pierre Delisle (expert group leads for JSP and JSP TL) WHEN: Oct. 23. 11:00 A.M. PDT

From list administrator on "terrorist" mail thread...

2001-09-20 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
The events of last week have been very traumatic for many people, both in the US and abroad. I have been blessed in that the impact has been relatively limited, although we lost a fellow employee in one of the planes (we had 4 floors in one of the towers but everybody got out safe). I am sure th

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Jakarta-Taglibs Project and JSR052 EG release JSPTL EA1.1]

2001-07-24 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Forwarded... - eduard/o Original Message Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Jakarta-Taglibs Project and JSR052 EG release JSPTL EA1.1 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:42:56 -0500 From: Glenn Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] July 23, 2001 (Jakarta-Taglibs Project

Re: Performance on (PureJSP) vs. (JSP+XML/XSL)

2001-03-26 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
First a note that XSLT & XML can be used not just as on the output part of a JSP but also when processing data in. We are seing a number of peple use tag libraries to get better reuse of abstractions, with multiple JSP pages per substantially different user itnerations. Experience seems to point

Re: JavaBeans Components vs. EJBs

2001-03-26 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Also note that the tag handlers that are used to implement JSP tag libraries follow the JavaBeans patterns. - eduard/o === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailt

civility @ JSP-interest, JDC forums, future...

2001-02-22 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
our help in keeping this forum useful to as many people as possible. - eduard/o [eduardo pelegri-llopart, web layer architect for Java Platform] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST&qu

JSP developer forums...

2001-02-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
ework using JSP and Servlets). * Different mailing lists hosted by the different vendors. For example, I know that Allaire keeps its own mailing list, although I do not participate there. Hope this helps, - eduardo pelegri-llopart Web Layer Architect for the Java Platform > Date:Tu

Re: JSP & XML

2001-01-05 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
A reminder that there is a white paper on how to use JSP and XML available at: Slides of a presentation: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/pdf/talks/XMLDevCon2000.pdf White paper, HTML format: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/html/JSPXML.html WHite paper, PDF format: http://java.sun.com/products

New interest list: jaxm-interest@java.sun.com

2000-12-10 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
I am sending this because I expect some of the members of these lists will be interested in this topic. In particular, one of the containers addressed by JAXM is Servlets (message being transported through HTTP). Please ignore the message if not interested. - eduard/o = The

JSP in top technologies to watch (eWEEK)

2000-12-07 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Congratulations to all JSP implementors, developers, advocates: JSP is #4 in the eWEEK "list of technologies to watch in 2001". Always useful when talking with managers :-) - eduard/o http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2658968,00.html ===

talk on JSP & XML @ XML DevCon2000 - slides available

2000-11-16 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Yesterday (Nov 15th) I delivered a talk on "JSP and XML" at XML DevCon 2000. The talk is based mostly on the material in our recent white paper on the same topic. Slides are available in PDF format at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/pdf/talks/XMLDevCon2000.pdf Hope they are useful, - edu

XML messaging over HTTP & SMTP

2000-11-16 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
The announcement below may be of interest to people interested in HTTP-delivered content, since ebXML, JAXM, and M Project cover both HTTP and SMTP protocols. - eduard/o The M Project refers to an early access, prealpha, prototype implementation of an XML-based messaging system. It

new draft of JSP 1.2 now available

2000-10-26 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
A new draft of the JSP 1.2 specification is now available. The draft is available for download as a PDF file from: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/communityprocess/first/jsr053/index.html - eduard/o === To unsubscrib

Re: JSP & XML white paper...

2000-10-21 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Hi Jess. Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I'll have to be very brief right now. Hopefully I'll be able to get back to this later in the week. The main purpose of the paper is actually not XSLT related; rather it is that "JSPs can be used to do XML". We have encountered a number of people

JSP & XML white paper...

2000-10-21 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
We just posted a white paper exploring the relationships between JSP and XML at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/pdf/JSPXML.pdf I hope you will find the paper useful. - eduard/o PS: I have noticed that sometimes my Netscape navigator has trouble displaying PDF; usually a reload click,

Duplicate posting problem solved (I hope)

2000-10-17 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
I think I have fixed the problem where a poster to jsp-interest would get a warning about duplicate submissions. The problem seemed to be caused by a subscriber that was automagically resubmitting to us. I've removed him and things seem OK now. Let me know if the problem persists. I have notif

test, - please ignore

2000-10-16 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Please ignore. Testing if the unwarranted message for duplicates message has been fixed. - eduard/o === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets

Re: OK this is getting rather annoying ... List administrator please read.

2000-10-15 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Sorry for the noise. I do not know what is generating the replies; I'll contact the engineer that maintains the mailing list software and see if he has done any changes recently. On the second topic, I'll see what auto-replies come back from this posting and will contact those addresses. Then w

JSP 1.2 PD1 now available for public review...

2000-08-17 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
improving the JSP specification, - Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart (JSP 1.2 expert group lead & J2EE web layer architect) === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some releva

Web Management using JSP & Servlets?

2000-07-03 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
I am interested in examples of the use of JSP and Servlets for managing devices through web interfaces. If you are willing to share your examples, please send me mail. Thanks! - eduard/o ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) === To u

JavaOne presentations from the Java Platform Group...

2000-06-16 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Well, we are back from JavaOne. Congratulations to everybody on a very well done job. Servlets and JSP were everywhere. It was very nice to be around the floor and see these technologies in real products; not just in products whose goal was to support the technologies but also in those that jus

Role of custom actions... scriptlets...

2000-06-14 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Thanks for the different comments on the topics of taglibs. Some follow-ups... First off, I think it is unwise for anybody to say "thou shall do XXX". I like tag libraries quite a bit, but I've seen many people who are happy embedding code directly into their JSP pages. If it works for you, go

Re: taglibs in struts (from Frank)

2000-06-14 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
From:"Nestel, Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Even nice would be if sun would allow some fixed > initialization > code for a JSP, when a taglib is requested by it, but I don't know > where to > send that idea. Second thinging shows: A taglib would then need to have > an initializatio

if syntax...

2000-06-14 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Craig proposes... ... ... I think it will be hard to describe the exact semantics of this construct. E.g. what happens to the text between the IfCondition and the else? What happens if you have another ifCondition? what happens if you have an else with no if

JSP 1.1_a errata now available

2000-06-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
An errata ("a") for the JSP 1.1 specification is now available at the JSP web site at java.sun.com. This errata was worked by a large group of vendors and experts and it is now for final public review before it is approved as normative. The URL is: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/errata_1_1_a_

Use of JSPs in JavaOne

2000-05-15 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
I thought some people might be interested to know that the javaone web pages at java.sun.com are using JSPs connected to a database to maintain the list of BOFs, Sessions, schedule and the like. The URL to the area is http://java.sun.com/javaone The URL to the sessions, for example, is http://

Re: Model 3

2000-05-11 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Great topic! As a plug, check our second JSP talk at JavaOne: http://jsp.java.sun.com/javaone/javaone2000/event.jsp?eventId=1545&trackId=3&eventType=TS It is hard to say "thou shall do this" and "this is best", but we will try to present and discuss all the useful variations on the models that

JavaOne heads up, and call for participants...

2000-05-02 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
JavaOne 2000 is June 6-9, in SFO, at the Moscone Center. This is the 5th anniversary year and I've heard that registration is ahead of schedule, so I expect we will be filling up Moscone (the new wing is not yet ready). JavaOnes are always fun, and I hope this year will not be different. There

Public Review Draft: Java Community Process(SM), Version 2.0

2000-05-02 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
FYI. There is a feedback alias at that page. - eduard/o Susan Roach wrote: > > Java Community Process(SM), Version 2.0 (Review Draft 2000.04.13) is now > available for Public Review from > > http://java.sun.com/jcp/review.html > > Please note that this draft is the result of input a

Updated JSP site @ java.sun.com

2000-05-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
We have updated the JSP web pages at http://java.sun.com/products/jsp The site includes a new tag library page and a number of updates, including links to a few of the multiple sites that have appeared that are tracking JSPs and Servlets. We will keep updating the pages, although it is hard since

Re: jsp:getProperty & beans...

2000-04-25 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Hi Piyu, et al: Note that the current version of the JSP 1.1 spec says that getProperty says: "...The Bean instance must be defined as indicated in the name attributre before this point in the page (usually via a useBean action)". This text is not very precise, so we will clarify it in an errata

How to reach the JSP spec people...

2000-04-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Hi all: Sometimes I see messages in these mailing lists that essentially include a question to the "JSP spec authors". At one point or another that means me. Although I try to track these mailing lists, it is becoming less and less possible for me to guarantee doing so. Mail is really the "kil

New mailing list: webjava-announce@java.sun.com

2000-04-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
The old "jspservlet-announce" mailing list at java.sun.com is now called "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". We will be using this mailing list for very unfrequent mailings regarding all the other webjava-* mailing lists, as well as the jsp-interest and servlet-interest mailing lists. thanks, - eduard/

O'Reilly's BOF slides on JSP/Servlet posted...

2000-03-31 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
I've started the push of the sides of our BOF @ O'Reilly on "Architecting the Web Layer: JSP & Servlets". In PDF format. Should be available after 10am Pacific time Friday March 31st at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/pdf/talks/OReillyJava2000.pdf - danny/craig/eduardo =

Re: comparison of engines.

2000-03-28 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Also see java.sun.com/products/jsp/industry.html and .../industryupdate.html - eduard/o > Date:Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:53:20 -0500 > From:Scott Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: comparison of engines > > All the latest and greatest Servlet/JSP containers are in beta right n

Presentation at O'Reilly Conf on Java

2000-03-28 Thread Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
Panel includes: Danny Coward Craig McClanahan Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart ... possibly others It is my understanding you need to be registered for the conference to attend the BOF. On a related topic, we have several sessions and BOFs on JSP and Servlets at JavaOne, which is in San Francisc

Digest mode...

2000-03-09 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Javier: I don't know exactly what www.jsp-interest.com does; I seem to remember they play some sort of intermediary role. You are registered at our LISTSERV as "normal". To change that subscription go to archives.java.sun.com, scroll down to jsp-interest, notice we are about to cross 3600 me

Re: This List

2000-02-27 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Filip, Jesse: some level of beginner questions is unavoidable in any relatively large list, and jsp-interest is pretty large. Personally, I subscribe in DIGEST mode and go through a day of postings at a time. I find that pretty workable. Other people go directly to the archives at archives.java

Wanted: Links to tag library related information

2000-02-19 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
I want to create a page at Sun's web site with links to useful information related to custom tag libraries. Examples can include descriptions of user experiences, products, open source projects, books, whatever. We will populate it with some of our own. If you want to contribute, please send me

Servlets and JSP online chat next Tuesday, the 22nd.

2000-02-18 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Danny, Cara and myself will be hosting an online chat this next Tuesday, February 22nd at 11am PST. The URL to the chat is: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/community/chat/ If you misplace this, look for a link at the bottom of the top JSP and Servlet pages. - eduard/o

RI vs spec (was tomcat-as-a-reference implementation"

2000-02-18 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Craig, VInce, and everybody else: The specification is the ultimate arbitrer. The spec can be used by vendors (platform and tools), documentation authors (books, etc), and end-users. Watchdog are compatibility tests. They can be used by anybody, including implementors. If the RI (tomcat) v

Re: JSP generating XML, passed through XSL?

2000-02-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
That is also my categorisation. The current thoughts (all to be validated in the expert gropus) are: * do (IV) in the standard tag library * do (III) in the container by providing the mechanism at the Servlet layer, and perhaps provide a way to access it from JSP. * II requires finalizing the XM

Model 2...

2000-02-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Dan, Dan says... > is a much better architecture. I think so too. > SUN decided to not explicitly describe past the 0.92 spec I don't know if the original JSP 1.0 spec didn't talk much about it (I suspect it did not), but I added an explicit section about this in JSP 1.1 because it is such

Other options (-announce, digests, etc)

2000-02-09 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
The topic of how to cope with high volume reappears often. I posted a message on several options a while ago. THat message (and all others) is archived, see for instance: http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0001&L=jsp-interest&P=R32934&m=8969 I personally register DIGEST to jsp-inter

attachments...

2000-02-09 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
There is a proposal ongoing to enforce no attachments on the lists. If somebody has a strong reason against that let me know asap. - eduard/o ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with bod

CAll For Experts (CAFE) for Servlet and JSP expert groups...

2000-02-09 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
JSR-052 and JSR-053 were approved today. The next stage in the Java Community Process (JCP), is the CAll For Experts (CAFE) for these two JSRs. The JCP process is described in http://java.sun.com/jcp To submit an expert you will need to become a "participant", which means signing an ag

Vendor support update for JSP & Servlets...

2000-02-08 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
A (partial) update of vendor support for Servlet and JSP is now available at our web site. The direct URL is http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/industryupdate.html There are indirect links to this from both http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/industry.html and http://java.su

Re: Point of EVAL_BODY_TAG

2000-02-06 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Say you have FOO BAR With semantcs that x:loop will generate a stream that is a sequence of its body, reevaluated every time with a new LoopDependentValue. I.e., it is of the form ... FOO -1st time value- BAR..FOO -2nd time value- BAR..FOO -last tim

Re: Point of EVAL_BODY_TAG

2000-02-05 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
John is right. When you say "docs", do you mean the JSP 1.1 spec? If so, there is such an example in the JSP 1.1 spec (Appendix A, Examples, page 135). If not, where were you looking? in the javadocs? Any suggestions on how to improve documentation? Also, see the Tag Libraries slides we just

Servlet and JSP presentations available @ web site.

2000-02-05 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
We have pushed PDF versions of our current set of Servlet and JSP presentations to our web site. There are 4 presentations covering: * An overview of JSP and Servlets. * Tomcat, the JSP and Servlet reference implementation. * The relationship of JSP and Servlets within the J2EE platform. * JSP t

Re: Digest & Archives for list...

2000-02-05 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Somebody asked if there is a digest for the list. Yes, there is one. There are also archives. I posted a message on this topic a while ago. Follow the link below and you will get at it. Hope this helps, - eduard/o http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9912&L=jsp-interest&P=R710

Re: Servlets and tools...

2000-02-02 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Jason, see intermixed belw. Jason Hunter wrote: > > > Jason says later... > > > > The standard tag library will likely make this point moot. > > > > > > Maybe. The taglib will be designed by committee. Watch out! > > > > The tag library will be designed using the JCP process. That is the >

Servlets and tools...

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
I am trying not to follow-up on things that have been drilled to death. That does not mean I agree with everything that has been said but I am sure most of you are dead tired of this thread. Here are twp that I have not seen addressed: Jason writes... > > Tools like this makes it possible for pe

Re: custom tags

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
JSP 1.0 provides a mechanism for introducing a tag library but no mechanism for the portable definition of the semantics (or even the syntax) of that tag library. JSP 1.1 provides the portable mechanism. So, in practice you want JSP 1.1. The good news is that most vendors are quickly getting th

Writing a simple tag library...

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Jason writes... > I also pointed out that such a library has yet to be written. > Not even a little demo one yet that I know of. That makes me suspect > it's a hard task, but more importantly it implies that we're blazing > new ground here and may not yet know enough about this technology area >

Re: access to ORACLE from JSP

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Right. JSP was designed (sometimes with quite a bit of effort) to allow different scripting languages. So far the only scripting language that has been standarized is "java", but SQLJ, and WebMacro (if desired - no smiley here!) can be handled. In particular, the design of the implementation of

Preview of things to come... (also where was eduard/o?)

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
I am slowly catching up with JSP- and Servlet- interest; last week our group was busy doing some local event on JSP and Servlets that was very well attended, and then we had to get the submissions to JavaOne ready (deadline was yesterday!) We are planning to get some mileage from our local event:

Re: Can you trust a smaller vendor?

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Right on. The way I put it is: "J2EE is giving you the stability/uniformity of a single vendor with the competition of multiple vendors". As long as you stay within the J2EE spec, you should be able to move to another vendor if you want or need to. - eduard/o > Date:Sat, 29 Jan 200

Vendor support summary... (pre-announcement)

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
I have collected an update to vendor support for JSP & Servlet that I will be posting to our sites in the next few days. Stay tuned, and I'll send an announcement to these lists. - eduard/o === To unsubscribe: mailt

Re: When to use TagExtraInfo classes?

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Mark is right. Hope this helps, - eduard/o > >What is the purpose of the 3rd argument in the VariableInfo constructor > >(the > >"declare" flag)? The JavaDoc states "declare If true, it is a new variable > >(in some languages this will require a declaration)" Is this to > >distinguish

Re: global file?

2000-02-01 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
As it has been pointed out, there is no global, per-application, file in JSP 1.1. It is in the list of things we expect to add for the next version of the spec. - eduard/o === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED

summer interships in JSP/Servlets/XML @ Java Software Group

2000-01-26 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Please delete this message if you are not interested in summer internship opportunities. Please do *not* reply to the mailing list. It is that time of year. The Java Platform group traditionally hosts a number of summer interns to work on projects related to the platform. The exact projects will

announcement: JSR 052 and JSR 053

2000-01-25 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Two Java Specification Requests have been posted today. JSR-53 Java Servlet 2.3 and JavaServer Pages 1.2 Specifications http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/communityprocess/jsr/jsr_053_jspservlet.html and JSR-52 A Standard Tag Library for JavaServer Pages http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/commu

Re: important for all jsp developers

2000-01-24 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
I share the same stylistic / pragmatic view as Hans. One example where <%! does not introduce this problem is when it is used to define methods used elsewhere in the JSP page. I personally would tend to do this by defining objects (introduced via a custom tag) and invoking methods on them, but t

Re: How long has JSP/Servlets been around?

2000-01-23 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Servlets have been around "forever", at least in Java years. We already had a session on Servlets at JavaOne '96. I'd have to ask (Pavani or DAC, or James G - he was very involved on this then) for exact dates. JSP-like technology was around by '97. A first draft of JSP from the Java Platform

posting course information & related.

2000-01-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
>From our (Sun's) point of view, we think that it is OK to post information on courses directly related to JSPs, announcements of new JSP-related products, and the like. This type of information is very useful to a significant portion of the audience of JSP-interest at this point. Just use commo

Re: and Stream Flushing

2000-01-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Yes. This is because of limitations of the underlying Sevlet 2.2 platform. Fixing this is very high in the list of features for the next version of these specifications. Hope this helps, - eduard/o > Date:Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:03:15 -0600 > From:Arun Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

editorial mistake in the JSP 1.1 specification.

2000-01-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
You are right, Kevn. We will fix this in a later update. - eduard/o > Date:Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:07:07 - > From:Kevin Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: JspError vs JspTagException > > The JSP 1.1 Final Spec that I've just downloaded off the web-site says that > JSPError has

unsubscription messages, other options...

2000-01-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Unsubscription messages should not be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Instead, to unsubscribe, send mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". You may need need to remember what mailer / gateway configuration did you use when you subscribed as you may need to replicate that situation

Re: JSP vs. PHP

2000-01-12 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Previous posters have covered many of the points I believe are relevant: - custom tag libraries allow the developers to invest in high quality, standarized (to a corporation) ways of combining dynamic and static data for presentation - the JSP spec allows for other scripting languages (although J

Re: BodyTag re-evaluation

2000-01-07 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Kevin: The observed behavior is what the specification requests. The behavior you are expecting has a significant implementation and performance cost in a compiled-based implementation of JSP. Although there are some interpreted-based JSP implementations, we want to enable compiled-based imp

Re: New implicit objects in tags

2000-01-07 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Volker: The variable information from the custom action is giving information to the JSP translator on how to make visible in the page the objects that have been created by the custom action. It is the responsability of the action to insert the objects with the proper scope into the pageConte

Re: Standard Tags in jspInit()

2000-01-07 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Maneesha: No, you cannot include standard or custom tags within a jspInit(). What are you trying to do? - eduard/o = Date:Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:15:38 -0800 From:Maneesha Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Standard Tags in jspInit() Hi, Is it possible to use standa

Re: a basic doubt...

2000-01-03 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
[[Sorry for the long delay]] The 1.1 spec does not indicate that the validity of the translation has to be checked every single time, although many (most?) implementations do make this guarantee. Even in those implementations that perform this test, the JSP 1.1 (& Servlet 2.2) specification indi

Re: Extends tag

2000-01-03 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Amit, Tom: As Amit indicates, the actual directive is <%@ page extends="" %>, and the directive can be used to define a base class as indicated in the excerpt from the spec. But note that we also say (page 74 - section 3.2) "The extends mechanism is available for sophisticated users and

mailing lists options...

1999-12-03 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
It is great to see all the interest in JSP & Servlets, and all the good messages at the lists. The JSP and Servlet mailing lists are the two interest lists with highest subscriptions (check at http://archives.java.sun.com) which is quite impressive, specially considering that we have not been on

JSP & Servlet activites week of Dec 5th (@NYC)

1999-12-02 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Next week is the JavaBusiness Conference in NYC. Among other announcements, this is the formal launch of J2EE 1.2, which includes JSP 1.1 and Servlet 2.2. There will be a number of different presentations on enterprise-related technologies, including JSP, Servlet, and XML. The web site is at:

JSR-45 "Debugging Support for Other Languages"

1999-11-22 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
A new JSR (Java Specification Request) has been submitted that may be of interest to people in this group. JSR-45 "Debugging Support for Other Languages", is described at http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/communityprocess/jsr/jsr_045_debug.html This is a new JSR that is just at the review stage. T

Re: Comments on answers to six questions on Tag Extensions (PR2)

1999-11-20 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
See follow-ups intermixed. | From: Volker Turau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | ... | Somehow user defined tags are not discussed on this list. I think it is just lack of an implementation. | 1. What is the return value of the methods doStartTag(), doEndTag() |respectively doAfterBody() in the suppo

Re: Comments on answers to six questions on Tag Extensions (PR2)

1999-11-20 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Volker said... >>> On the other hand, I think this is one of the outstanding features >>> of JSP and I strongly believe we will see a lot of taglibs in the >>> future. I agree 100%. Expect us to do something about this in the near future. We just have been very busy with other stuff :-)

Re: books...

1999-11-17 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
The Application Programming Model effort within J2EE is intended to provide some guideance on practical issues. It comes (or will come) with a sample app and a book. See java.sun.com/j2ee/apm for details. THe book does *not* concentrate on JSPs but on the whole of J2EE. JSPs are just one chapte

Re: six questions on TagExt (PR2)

1999-11-16 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
See intermix. In general, the answers should have been in the javadocs but they seem not to be there. In general the intention is that some details are in javadoc and not in the spec itself. > Date:Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:00:19 +0100 > From:Volker Turau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Six

JSR-39 Call for Experts

1999-11-15 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
oops... I should have used the external link, not the internal mirror. Make that java.sun.com/ - eduard/o JSR-39 "Java Servelet and JSP Performance Benchmark" is now in the "Call For Experts" (aka CAFE) stage. See http://webmirror.eng/aboutJava/communityproces

JSR-39 Call for Experts

1999-11-15 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
JSR-39 "Java Servelet and JSP Performance Benchmark" is now in the "Call For Experts" (aka CAFE) stage. See http://webmirror.eng/aboutJava/communityprocess/cafe.html for more details about how to nominate experts for the group. - eduard/o

JSP authoring support...

1999-10-29 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Many authoring tool vendors will be supporting JSP as they they rev their products. A partial list of industry support is at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/industry.html (at least it is missing Allaire's support) A list of third-party resources on JSP is at: http://java.sun.com/prod

Re: JSP & Servlets

1999-10-29 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
We just posted two new white papers to our web site: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jsp_servlet.html describes how JSP technology extends the basic Servlet framework to enable easier and faster page authoring and maintenance and to support the different development roles in some larger

Re: some details on tag extension spec...

1999-10-29 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
See intermixed... | Date:Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:48:44 -0400 | From:Kevin Riff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Subject: Please explain some things to me | | I have some questions, mostly in regards to JSP tag extensions, that I | hope someone can answer: | | 1 - What is the difference between JspExcept

Re: JSP 1.1 Tag Extension specification question

1999-10-28 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
A tradeoff. In JSP 1.1 there is a non-zero cost in invoking doBeforeBody(): scripting variables will be synchronized after every such invocation even if the method is empty and does nothing. Since, as you pointed out, actions done in doBeforeAction() can be achieved through a combination of doIn

custom tags, xmlc, scalability (was: when to use bean..)

1999-10-26 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
> ..and this could probably be expanded to "When to use a servlet and when > to use a Bean and when to use an EJB", but now we're asking for a white > paper! :-) Actually, you are missing one :-) "when to use a custom action", and that is a very important one, although you have to wait for JSP 1.

JSP 1.1 PR2 now available...

1999-10-22 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
The Public Release 2 of the JSP 1.1 specification is available from the download page at Sun's JSP web page: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/. There have been a few changes in the spec since PR1 based on extensive feedback and implementation efforts. Probably the most important change is in sim

Re: jsp tag inside another jsp tag...

1999-10-20 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
The syntax for request-time expressions is limited to expressions. The first syntax is correct, the second is not. We have talked some about allowing what you want to do, but we have not got there. For example, a future spec COULD allow for something like the following syntax: page <%= l

Corrected Hello World custom action...

1999-10-15 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
My previous post was missing some condiments... Here is a file that compiles against the PR2 APIs: import javax.servlet.jsp.*; import javax.servlet.jsp.tagext.*; public class Hello extends TagSupport { public int doStartTag() { try { pageContext.getOut().print("Hello Wo

Simple tag example...

1999-10-15 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
What about: public class Hello extends TagSupport { public int doStartTag() { pageContext.getOut().print("Hello World"); } } I'll add it to the examples. - eduard/o > Date:Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:26:30 -0400 > From:Rick Gibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Su

Re: Why use Servlets with JSP?

1999-10-15 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Hi Taylor: Just a quick correction here (I'll send more mail on servelts & JSP later). Although what you said is true in the 0.92 *draft*, we realized this problem (and other related problems) and corrected it in 1.0 by adding buffered output. By default buffered is on; you can turn it off if y

Re: JSP-INTEREST Digest - 28 Sep 1999 to 29 Sep 1999 (#1999-267)

1999-09-30 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
re: XML/JSP/XSL (/DOM-based transformations) Yes. We definetively want to be able to do these things very naturally in the next version of the JSP spec. Some can already be done now but we want a very natural fit. And we will build on/synergize with existing appropriate standards rather than i

Re: XML versions of JSP scripting elements...

1999-09-24 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Without getting into detailed interpretations of the spec, I am happy that a number of vendors are exploring this direction, but I want to make it clear that the mapping can change as we debug it. Caveat Emptor and all of that... Remember that one of the reasons why we didn't mark this is final

XML versions of JSP scripting elements...

1999-09-24 Thread Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart
Note that the JSP 1.1 spec still does not require any JSP engine to accept XML mappings of the scripting elements. We have not seen a big need for this, we have not yet had the time to debug the mapping, and we are awaiting the basic "plumbing XML APIs". Bottom line: JSP1.1+. Hope this helps,

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