On eBay at the moment is postcard of a Honiton lacemaker named as H B
Goodman. Does anyone know anything about the lady - as the card doesn't
appear to be too old maybe she is still around.
No reason - just curiosity. Item number 120366619539
Diana in Northants
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I was told the large holes that are typical of Tonder lace are called
Copenhagen Holes.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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Taken from Conditions of the Working Class, by Frederick Engels, 1844.
'Another branch of lace making, bobbin lace work is carried on in the
agricultural shires of Northants, Oxford and Bedford chiefly by children and
young persons, who complain universally of bad food and rarely taste meat.
I remember watching a lady in one of the finest lace shops in Bruges who
amazed customers at the speed in which she worked.
But under closer scrutiny what she was doing with the bobbins most of the
time was rolling, rattling and tapping with such a rhyme - it would take
another lacemaker to
It might be of interest to some on the list - I've just received a Christmas
card from Ann. In her message she tells me that fan number 178 is now
underway. Her lace fan book is being translated into Russian and also one of
her fans is included in the Fan Museum calendar - the only modern one.
If anyone is interested there is a copy of the Santina Levey book on ebay
360112091504 - starting bid £35.
Diana in Northants
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That is so beautiful and evocative - thank you Noelene.
Diana in Northants
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And another painting (watercolour) at
The beautiful piece of hair lace in the collection of Northampton Museums is
needle lace and is in varying shades of blonde and light brown - we were
lucky to be able to display it in the expo in 1999.
Some years ago someone asked if I could make a piece of lace from horse
hair. They supplied
Hello Andrea
In the little book published by Liz Knight on Harry Armstrong and the Bucks
Cottage Workers' Agency of Olney there is a picture of a trade stand in
Buffalo, Canada. Pictured on the right is Harry's sister Hilda Armstrong ,
in the background is a lady seated at a lace pillow. On
Hello Jean
Yes it was dark. I think maybe it had been 'detached' from the animal for
some time would that have made it more brittle?
Diana
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Amazing item on eBay no 120328659264
Antique bobbin lace mourning memorial made of human hair - the hair of Anne
Clerke.
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I downloaded the picture which is quite clear. I think there is a chance it
could be BL.
Diana
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From Thomas Wright's Romance of the Lace Pillow:
'Catterns was observed chiefly in north Northants and Beds; in the greater
part of lace-land, however, the principal holiday was Tanders (St Andrew's
Day) November 30th.'
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Many years ago when Kettering (Northants) held their first lace day one of
the speakers was the bobbin maker Garth Johns of Geddington. He was one of
the soldiers who help clear Harry Armstrong's lace factory and he recalled
the story to us. He was horrified that he had been involved in such
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Diana - what is aqua forte decoration?
Karen in Malta
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I think in Springetts book they explained that the rough pewter was more the
fault of corrosion than the lacemakers preference for raised spots for their
arthritis.
Diana in Northants
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I was told many years ago that the old lacemakers paired their bobbins up by
weighing them roughly by the feel in their hands, so that the two bobbins in
a pair weighed approximately the same. Without the means to go out and buy
something new and 'fashionable' I guess they made do with what they
Hello Jean
I was watching his/her listing of 'real' lace bobbins. But they got
themselves into a bit of a muddle and then withdrew the listing. I contacted
them about the shipping of the bobbins to the UK which was £12 - just a tad
too much I thought.
Re this item - haven't got a clue but
A while ago the husband a lady on the list from the north of England (I
think) repaired an old bone bobbin for me, replacing the head and neck - and
did a beautiful job. I wonder if said husband would like another small job
;o)
I have one bone and 14 wood old bobbins that I would like
Hello Jeri
I also have copy of A Sixteenth Century Industry. Probably about fifteen -
twenty years ago I paid £65 for it which then was quite a lot of money - it
still is I suppose!
The dealer included a short provenance including the publishing date of
c1926. He also thought the book was
The mat was designed by Miss Channer, the original was made by Mrs Dixon of
Clapham, Bedford in a class at the Technical Institute in Bedford around
1926.
It was not part of the lace expo at Northampton in 1999.
I think I have some info on the Warren sisters somewhere - now where is
I assume we're referring to the picture on the dust wrapper of the Ruth Bean
reprint dated 1982, as my two earlier editions don't have wrappers. Possibly
Ruth selected a picture which isn't relevant to the 1919 original date of
publication.
In the text (page 222) Wright refers to 'There was
I did a quick search for Dr Habberton Lulham who it turns out was an English
physician and poet (1865 - 1940). Doesn't seem to be any connection with
lacemaking.
Diana
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The name of the school wasn't mentioned, the photograph was taken in
Lausanne on Lake Geneva.
Diana
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Dear Diana,
Thank
As the list is quiet at the moment I thought I would tell you what an
enjoyable time I had yesterday. I had three guests for the day, one being
Vera, aged 91, the niece of Catherine C. Channer, she was accompanied by her
son and his partner. Vera is the daughter of Frances Channer, younger
I think it was Anthony Newley who did a recording of the verse.
I don't subscribe to chat!
Diana
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I
It's probably time
In yesterdays Daily Mail there was an article on a newly published book -
adapted by Deborah Collcutt from 'Pop Goes The 'Weasel: The Secret Meanings of
Nursery Rhymes' by Albert Jack. I was interested to read the following
explanation of one old rhyme as the line is found on some old lace
Hi Malvary
You could say
Up and down the city road - the textile/theatre district was outside the
'city'
In and out of the eagle (going into the pub for a drink or two - applies to
above)
That's the way the money goes (when you buy the drink or two)
Pop goes the weasel - down to earth and
I make mostly Bucks Point lace with fairly fine thread and I use two hitches
sometime three. This maybe depends on the bobbin as some seem to slip. Also
some heads don't have a deep enough groove to hold the hitch, in which case
I put the hitch on the long neck with the thread.
I use and
Hello Sue
I saw that as well and when Patsy went to Hanslope in Buckinghamshire I was
hoping there would be some reference to the lacemaking industry there -
sadly not.
Diana in Northamptonshire where there is a rather autumnal feel to the
morning - did I miss summer?
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Has anyone in the UK received their Lace Guild magazine yet?
I'm wondering if I forgot to renew my subs - must check!
Diana in Northants, UK
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The responses seem to confirm what I suspected - that I forgot to renew.
With the best of intentions I always mean to send the cheque straight away -
ho hum! You would think after 25ish years I'd know better ;o).
Diana in Northants
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I seem to remember many years ago my mother having curtain rings very like
those. They had to be sewn onto the curtain material and the curtain wire
was threaded through them - could be wrong though ;o)
Diana in a very hot, sticky Northants
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Dear Alice
Thanks you so much for the most enjoyable record of your trip.
It was brilliant to read your descriptions of the places I have been and
brought back many happy memories.
And also to read about places I will may never see - which is probably as
well as I felt exhausted just reading
Dear all
Can I put in a word here about old bobbins - bone and wood. Very often old
bobbins have been neglected and stored incorrectly i.e. either in a damp
area or somewhere warm and dry (central heating). Bone seems not to be so
susceptible to temperature fluctuation (unless decorated) but
I also cannot find a link to this listing but surely the person is doing
nothing wrong merely selling a 'second hand' item - not a reproduction/copy.
This is the whole idea - to sell unwanted items!
Would it be better to send them to landfill - which would benefit no one?
Diana in
These are also available through Amazon.
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Ben Archer has a lovely mother twins bobbin on his website see below:
http://www.ararcherltd.co.uk/index_files/Page457.htm
Diana in a wet, miserable Northamptonshire
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Sorry about the misspelling ;o( more haste less speed!!
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I remember David Naylor and I'm lucky enough to have two of his beautiful
bobbins one with a hand another with a bell. His bobbins were very popular
and hard to get as he soon acquired a waiting list. Sadly he died quite
suddenly - so his work is precious.
Another at that time who made ivory
I have a very large collection of old bone lace bobbins but as far as I'm
aware only one old ivory. Certainly your working lacemaker would not have
been able to afford such a luxury.
Give a thought to the missionaries and people such as Miss Channer who could
have acquired locally made ivory
Could it be for wig making - I remember some years ago I think it was Mr
Hornsby had hooks for sale.
I still have one which is curved - though of course this has an eye not a
hook - ho hum!
Diana in Northamptonshire
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Everything looks fairly correct except maybe the pincushion - too modern
looking. The pillow is what I'd call a plum pudding shape, not a bolster,
and is typical of the East Midlands. The bobbins are spangled bone East
Midlands type.
Queenie seems to be working a narrow edging, though its
It was a very fleeting glimpse of Queenie Massey 'lacemaker and beekeeper'
making lace.
I don't think she would have made much of a living at the speed she was
working but looked to have a very fine collection of bone bobbins to work
with!
Some years ago I found a picture of the real Queenie in a
There was a lovely item on the local news this evening about 'The
Seamstress' statue at Leicester.
I only live just over 20 miles from Leicester but knew nothing about the
statue.
You can see the article at the link below.
Sorry you will have to chop my name off the end of the link or try this one
instead ;o)
http://tourism.goleicestershire.com/lt/News0.nsf/LookupUNID/D1A0F65F965CFCCF802573AE003F667F?OpenDocument
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Hello Adele
My lace research mainly covers Northants but I've looked at the map for
Keyston and it is virtually surrounded by towns/villages where lace was
made - Thrapston, Raunds, Ringstead, Rushden, Kimbolton, Catworth
and is not too far from Wellingborough where it is believed the Luton
Did anyone else in the UK watch the delicious production of Mrs Gaskell's
Cranford on BBCTV yesterday evening?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/cranford/
A beautiful costume drama - some lace, though I'm not sure about the highly
prized piece left to clean in buttermilk and eaten by the cat - later
Hi Jenny
I was trying to get a better look at the collar the niece(?) was wearing, it
looked to be what I know as the Bucks Point Mary Queen of Scots pattern.
Needlework - I suppose you could include the sewing the doctor did on the
carpenters arm ;o) He used what looked to be a rather large
Hi Rosemary
Yes I also have a pointed one - I can just about remember 'helping' my
mother make peg rugs usually cutting up the pieces of cloth!
Best wishes
Diana
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I have two of the tool you mean and no they have a metal tip or point with a
lever to grip the material to pull it through the hessian.
I'd wondered about a drop spindle but not being a spinner I have no idea how
these things work - again maybe not!!
Diana in Northants
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I have a old lace pillow on display in a museum at the moment.
I used a sheet of flexible clear Perspex spread over the vital area and this
I pinned down round the edges.
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Heather Toomer 'Lace - a guide to identification..' page 143 -
'The manufacture of Valenciennes lace could not survive long after 1900 but
the interest in antique laces at the turn of the century brought a curious
revival. This was the return of laces with the complex snowy ground and
I've got a 1982 first edition signed by Bridget must fetch a four figure
sum - anyone interested - just kidding it's not for sale ;o))
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Check out these lace bobbins!?
170163381848
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I think they could be what we call 'skittles' - from a childrens set rather
than the pub variety.
Diana.
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Some years ago (more than I care to remember) I visited the shop kept by
Iris Martin in Clickers Yard, Olney - she sold various sundries, old and
new, for lacemaking, some of my first bobbins came from Iris when she had a
shop in the main street near to Harry Armstrong's old lace factory.
The vendor also has a lovely piece of Mechlin with a wonder provenance -
180152607867
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Hi, all,
I found this page while checking out the Cecil Higgins Art Gallery for a
possible visit - unfortunately a no go as the gallery is closed at the
moment for refurbishment.
For those of you interested in Bedfordshire lace (or not just Beds!!) its a
opportunity to take a closer look at some of
Hi Carol
Me again - yes I remember the very enjoyable day at Sudeley, the lace, the
gardens and the house.
Just to let you know I've sent for a ticket for Sheringham Lace Day - look
forward to seeing you there - that's if I get a ticket ;o(
Bests
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Hi Sue
That would probably have been the late Don Harrison. My first old bobbins
also came from him though I could cringe when I think how he handle (or
mishandled) the bobbins in his care. Christmas and birthdays my DH would
take me over to see Don who would tip the different lots bobbins
Hello Laurie
Maybe the seller would be better advised to describe the bobbins as
'possibly by' a certain maker and leave the decision open to the buyer. I
also have noticed other bobbin sellers quoting the book by David and
Christine - which I agree is excellent but not infallible.
My own
I live in the county of Northamptonshire - the county was once considered
the boot and shoe 'capital' of the UK ;o) As far as I am aware the laces
used in the boot and shoe industry were/are not made in the area.
In the north of the county women/children listed as 'lacemakers' were
employed
A lovely site but I'm not sure I would agree with some of the
identification.
One piece with the 'trademark' Maltese cross is included under Tombolo. Also
on the Paris Point there is very little Paris Ground to be seen, and one
(bottom
row middle) looks to be needle made.
Diana in
Hello Brenda
Was William Fairall notorious!! Hanging bobbins are usually connected with
the lacemaking area or are unusual in some way i.e. Franz Muller who
committed the first murder on a railway train.
I'm not a aware of any lacemaking connection with my Miles Weatherhill, but
it was a
Hello Rosemary
The bobbins were made by different turners. The 'W. Worsley' looks to have
been made by 'Bobbin' Brown of Cranfield, Bedfordshire and is a nice
example.
The 'William Worsley' is by the 'blunt end' man as identified by Christine
David Springett in their book. Unfortunately
Hello Helen
I don't know of anyone who has seen a Dazeley bobbin.
My ancestors also lived in Wrestlingworth. My several greats grandmother (a
lacemaker) would have been around at the time ;o(
Diana in Northants where its been a beautiful sunny day - could summer be
here at last!!
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Hello Carol
I could only find two hanging bobbins listed. Anne Swift is a very well
known and reputable dealer in lace and bobbins. JimBob what not!! has been
selling a collection for a few weeks including some rather nice bobbins but
I don't know anything about the person.
Though I'm a
wishes
Diana Smith in Northants
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Opinions seems to differ slightly but an 'ell' would appear to be
approximately 45 inches. That item doesn't look to be that long.
I have two old lacemakers 'yard wands' - one is marked out in 'nails' and is
36 inches long the other measures 42 inches.
Diana in Northants
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Hello Debbie
I think your bobbin could be a very early English Midlands type. The late
Margaret Turner called these 'Cottager bobbins'.
The neck for holding the thread is quite short which would indicate that the
date is early when the thread being used was very fine. These very early
Interesting items - the bobbins are Danish and I think the lace is also -
look like 'Copenhagen Holes' to me.
Item number 280122716899
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Probably the best examples are the old English lacemakers (and I guess the
continentals as well) who always sat outside to take advantage of the better
light.
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Again eBay has thrown up a 'Vintage lace making' item. This looks more like
spinning top. But is almost certainly a weight of some kind.
Item no 140115173549
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Good afternoon everyone,
Help needed - I've just purchased a beautiful old inscribed lace bobbin made
by James Compton of Deanshanger, Northants. Unfortunately it is missing its
head and neck but has been drilled and obviously at some time it was fitted
with a replacement. I have several old
Thank you to the people who responded to my enquiry regarding laminating. As
the lace is fine Bucks I think it would be better enclosed in some way,
having used sleeves in the past but found that the lace tends to move about
I wondered if laminating would hold it firm. As yet I am undecided -
Hello Carol
Thanks for reminding me I'd forgotten the sleeves with a coloured back, I
think I might have some somewhere.
To be honest its so long since I completed a piece of lace (even a bookmark)
I've totally lost touch ;o(
No bent pins but a very sore pin finger!!
Diana in Northants
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A while back there was some discussion on laminating lace could anyone tell
me what the consensus was?
I have just taken a Bucks Point bookmark off the pillow, I shall be giving
it to my old schoolteacher and thought that laminating would be the better
option for her use. She is 91 years old,
I've never seen East Midlands lace bobbins with covers like these - has
anyone else?
Ebay item number: 220090154123
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What I would query is how clean and new the inside of the cups look. I would
also like to see a globe once it has been removed from the cup. In its
favour it has three legs (just like an old pillow horse) which would have
kept it fairly stable on an uneven floor.
But whichever way you look at
Hello Noelene
In my research I have an instance of a 'Straw plaiter' who later became a
'lacemaker'. Maybe the person you found was a worker of both if they are
both recorded.
There is a very distant bell ringing in my head of seeing somewhere a sample
of lace made from straw. Another bell
I have a photograph of a group of girls making lace at New Pitsligo. As it
is quite small and not very clear the lace they are making is not visible.
If anyone is interested I can send them a scan.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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For many years there has been a lacemaker automaton in the upstairs widow of
Rococo's lace shop in Brugge.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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I would like to wish all you spiders out there a very Merry Christmas and a
Happy New Year
From
Diana in Northamptonshire
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Here's another strange pair of 'bobbins' on eBay - item number 230037008494.
Any ideas as to what these were used for?
Diana in a wet and miserable Northamptonshire
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Hello Aurelia
I too remember Doreen Fudge with great affection, Luton was never the same
post Doreen, always willing to copy 'anything and everything' and if the
copy was not quite right she would say Oh that's no good but you can have
it anyway (free of charge). Before the Luton sheets were
The museum at Luton is called Wardown Park and is actually in a park of the
same name.
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The Luton lacemaker is on the cover of the book by Alice-May Bullock 'Lace
and Lacemaking'.
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Hello Jo
You could try the Fan Museum - might be something lacy on view.
http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/LeisureCulture/Attractions/FanMuseum.htm
Best wishes
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I looked in Thomas Wright's book, Romance of the Lace Pillow and
noticed that he acknowledges help received from a Mrs. Dowdy of North
Crawley...probably one of the lacemakers (Isabella Dowdy) in the photo?
He doesn't specify how she helped him, but is listed in a long
alphabetical list of people
Hello Nicky
I have a large amount of research on old postcards/pictures of lacemakers.
The picture that you have was published around 1926 by Harry Armstrong of
the Bucks cottage Workers Agency, in a large format book called 'A Sixteenth
Century Industry' (lacemaking). The ladies were all
It also raises the old argument 'did it hold water or oil'! I shouldn't
think anyone could work Honiton with the small beam of light through that
globe.
Also I would like to know where he got the valuation from at £200, if that's
right I'm sitting on a small fortune - I think not ;o)
Still we
Some members may be interested to hear that according to the local
newspapers Knuston Hall in Northamptonshire has been given a reprieve and
will remain open for at least another 12 months.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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I was saddened to read of the death of Marjory Carter - an amazing lady of
great character.
In the 1980's a friend and I booked, with great trepidation as Marjory
didn't suffer fools gladly, a weekend course with her at the College of Lace
at Rugby. We were both very interested in the old draft
Hello Laura
Below is an old 'recipe' for a parchment softener, it came from one of the
old lacemakers, though I haven't used it myself.
I believe the neatsfoot oil is available from a saddler (or anyone working
with leather I would think).
I stress I haven't used it myself so do experiment with
I hope that everyone is having an enjoyable Christmas, for some of us its
nearly over and others it must just have begun but wherever you are in the
world - enjoy.
From
Diana in Northamptonshire - whose had so many bobbins for Christmas she'll
soon be able to take up lacemaking ;o)))
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I found six Susan's in my bobbin databases, surprisingly there are far more
Susannah's.
Diana
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At the bottom of page 53 of Christine David Springetts book there is a
similar type of bobbin, made by Archibald Abbott this one reads 'Fear God'.
Though the picture is in black and white it is clearly decorated in the same
way and in their words Abbott favoured a variety of colours 'from
I have over 2,000 bobbin inscriptions stored on databases - just checked for
'Jean' - sorry nothing :o(
Diana
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Hello Debbie
I wonder if you remember the late Don Harrison of Rushden, Northamptonshire.
When I attended my first lace day back c1980 Don's stand was the first one I
saw with its piles of old bobbins and that was where my first antique
bobbins came from, after that I always hoped that Don was
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