Hi Karisse
Lace workers never bothered to count bobbins, even the ones that could.
Instead they would wind a handful and start working. When they ran out they
would wind another handful and carry on, the same with gimps. Also, the number
of bobbins needed varied when making floral Bucks according
I had my notes on the Mat all written up, and ... poof.gone. I'll try to
recap it.
Bobbins. The story I heard was 500 bobbins. I wound 270 pair (540). I used
them all, since they were wound. Some more than once. I like fairly solid
cloth stitch so added in lots and had to throw them
I had a look back in Arachne Lace Archives and there are several (many)
references to this subject.
One item says - 200+ pairs of bobbins.
Another, and this is copied and quoted from 2004 "Drum roll! After 2 years,
9 months Over 1000 hours 500+ bobbins More pins than you can shake a stick
I have made the mat in white thread. Here are my answers to your questions.
1. I was putting in and taking out pairs of bobbins all along the way so I
didn't get a whole number count for the number of bobbins used in all. It will
also depend on the size of thread you use and the tension on your
I just wrote a long answer to the questions on the Mat, and then hit a wrong
button and the whole thing was deleted. Whomever it was that wanted advice,
please write me. Your name and email are gone, as well as my answer.
Alice in Oregon
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If anyone is interested there is a used copy of the mat pattern on eBay at the
moment. Listed under 'Bobbin lace making patterns' starting price £3.00.
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As a result of our internet discussion, Nigel Bean has contacted Pat Bury
and provided the following information:
Ruth Bean has been purchased by
Crowood Press, Ltd
Ramsbury,
Marlborough,
Wilts SN8 2HR
Tel 01672 520 320
_www.crowood.com_ (http://www.crowood.com)
The contact is Ken
Devon wrote:
I suppose that in that if Crowood cannot find the art work for the mat, it
might be necessary for someone to send them one of the original unused
copies if they were to reprint it.
If they were prepared to make a copy from an unused pricking, I'm sure most
would be happy just
There has been a reply from Pat Bury about the copyright status of the
pricking for Miss Channer's Mat.
She writes:
I do not have the copyright as I was paid for my work by Ruth Bean.
I worked from an actual size photocopy of the mat supplied by Ruth. The or
iginal lace being in the Bedford
Yes, it's in copyright until the end of 2019.
I was burning too much midnight oil!
Brenda
On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:16, Clay Blackwell wrote:
Make that 2019...
Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk
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I have been reading the dozens of messages regarding Miss Channer's mat and I
can only think that this must be the holy grail of lacemaking. Sorry to be so
ignorant but what is so special about it and if someone has the pricking would
it be so terrible a crime to let somebody else borrow it for
Do we really have any idea who the rights holder is to the original
pattern? Did Miss Channer do the work for hire for a school, in which case
they
or their successors own the copyright. Or did she leave her estate including
copyrights to her children, or other family members, since she is
Dear All,
If I were advising someone who came to me to find out if she should risk
using an illegal pricking for Miss Channer's mat, I would go through the
usual explanation of the law, which, I must admit, I do not know, since my
area of expertise is in criminal defense and family law. I
From Ancestry.co.uk
The National Probate Calendar (index of Wills and Administrations) 1858-1966
has:
CHANNER, Catherine Campbell of Flat 1, Green-lane Clapham Bedfordshire spinster
died 10 March 1949 at the County Hospital Bedford. Probate [granted at]
Birmingham 29 July to Herbert Nathaniel
Make that 2019...
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On Jan 7, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com
wrote:
Birmingham
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Thank you very much Lynn, for your thorough and professional review of the
subject. I think that our tri-, quatra-, ses-...-tenail discussion of this
mat has been exhaustive, as usual, and hope it can be put to rest. As Devon
has expressed, I find this piece to be less than thrilling, at any
This is where it gets tricky. The original mat design would be copyrighted
until 70 after death however, because the Ruth Bean in has been published the
copyright on the original is mute because the two are extremely similar anyone
making a copy from Miss Channer's original design without her
I have been following this dicussion about the infamous mat and have come to
the conclusion that Miss Channer's mat is like Everest - it is there so it
has to be made,come what may!!
Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa.
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I've just noticed that on the bottom of my pricking of Miss Channer's mat is
printed Pricking adapted by Patricia Bury from an earlier copy in her
collection
There certainly are equally/more challenging Buck Point patterns. Just one is
in Fine Buckinghamshire Point Lace Patterns Belonging to the
I think that Jean has just told us where to go for information on copyright of
the pricking. If it has been adapted by Pat Bury then the copyright will have
started for that pricking, with her. She may have sold it to Ruth Bean, or
licensed it to her but this should be, as others have said,
Liz wrote:
I think that Jean has just told us where to go for information on copyright
of the pricking. If it has been adapted by Pat Bury then the copyright will
have started for that pricking, with her. She may have sold it to Ruth Bean,
or licensed it to her but this should be, as others
It is probably quite true that there are other, equally difficult, perhaps
more beautiful large pieces of point ground lace out there, but when you
say, Miss Channer's Mat, many, many people in the bobbin lace world know
what you're talking about. Making Miss Channer's Mat is something of a
Jeri,
In reading all the Channer correspondence, I wondered why no one remembered
we were able to see David's mat while it was in
progress. David? Do you know where the pictures at various
stages of making are
- at the present time?
Well they're certainly still here on my computer, but
Liz Baker wrote:
I was sad to hear that Ruth Bean had died, it does explain the fact that her
book list was disappearing from print. There were a number of books that she
published on lace that I used to learn and without which I would either not
have master a technique or taken much longer to
I have just checked fb and there is nothing there now.
What a pity
Kind Regards
Liz Baker
On 3 Jan 2014, at 07:57, Jean Nathan jean...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
When I posted on here so me time ago that some Ruth Bean Bedfordshire books
were out of print, I immediately got an email from her
Some Ruth Bean books are available from The Crowood Press:
http://www.crowood.com/category.asp?cat=36class=Ruth-Bean-Publishers
Apparently they also have Torchon Lacemaking by Elizabeth Wade, and Torchon
Lacemaking by Jan Tregedgo.
Perhaps if they were to receive many email enquiries for Miss
: Friday, 3 January 2014 8:27 PM
To: 'Lace'
Subject: RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Some Ruth Bean books are available from The Crowood Press:
http://www.crowood.com/category.asp?cat=36class=Ruth-Bean-Publishers
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I've gone to the website that now sells the Ruth Bean books and sent them a
note at their contact address asking them on behalf of the many lacemakers
out there if they will be republishing Miss Channer's Mat. I'll put this
forward should I receive a reply. In the meantime, if they were to
Oh my, I have Miss Channers Mat never used yet. I guess I had better
treasure it since it is so hard to come by now.
Joan in frigid Ontario.
On Friday, January 3, 2014, Lynn Scott wrote:
I've gone to the website that now sells the Ruth Bean books and sent them a
note at their contact address
Marianne,
However, I can still do Bucks, and my goal is to eventually tackle Miss
Channer's mat. However, I can't seem to find a source for the pattern. Can
anyone tell me where I could obtain it?
There is only a pricking, no working diagram, and I have a feeling
that it's out of print right
Or sell it! Â At one point they were fetching really silly money on ebay.
There are other large Bucks Point mats out there, Miss Channers is not the only
one.
Jacquie in Lincolnshire
 this time I have remembered to trim my post.  Sorry for the previous
ommission.Â
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I also have Miss Channers mat pricking ,hidden away until I obtained enough
skills to work it, now I feel able to I find that in my estimation it will take
200 plus pairs which means I will have o finish every project I have on the go
so I have enough bobbins, ah well maybe later in the
Don't think that just sending them emails will necessarily get them to
publish something, specially not if it is only a single pattern. A few years
ago we had a petition in to Burda with lots of signatures for them to
republish the Herbert Niebling lace knitting patterns that they were sitting
on,
Julian Jefferson, are you still on Arachne?
In reading all the Channer correspondence, I wondered why no one remembered
we were able to see David's mat while it was in progress. My brain cells
are old, but not that decrepit.
If you go to our Arachne archives and put Miss Channer's Mat in
The hubby had a suggestion that would work within the spirit of the copyright
laws. If some one owns a copy of the pattern, they could 'give' it to their
local lace Groups's library on semi permanent loan but have it reside at their
house for 'insurance' purposes. If he doesn't understand the
As I understand it, there was a photo/picture of the original mat in In the
Cause of English Lace by Catherime Channer and Anne Buck. Catherine Channer
died in 1949, so under UK copyright law the original pricking, assuming she
did it, would be out of copyright in 2019, 70 years after the
On 03/01/2014 05:41, Marianne Gallant wrote:
Hi,
I am just about to put Miss Channer's mat plus a tray with an oval cut-out
for displaying it onto ebay, unless a spider snaffles it first
Edith
North Notts, UK
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A picture of the original mat appeared
in Miss Channers book 'Practical Lacemaking' published in 1928. Worked by a
student at the Bedford Technical Institute. Design by C.C. Channer.
In the
folder published by Ruth it says Original design by Catherine C.
: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Hi,
I really enjoy doing Buckspoint lace, and my goal is to eventually tackle
Miss Channer's mat. However, I can't seem to find a source for the pattern.
Can
anyone tell me where I could obtain it?
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Hi,
I really enjoy doing Buckspoint lace, and my goal for this year is to learn
a lot more about it. I used to do a fair amount back in the 80's and early
90's, but was sort of out of lace making for more than 10 years while I
owned and ran a yarnshop. Used to do Honiton and Duchesse as well,
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Marianne Gallant
Sent: Friday, 3 January 2014 4:42 PM
To: 'Lace'
Subject: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Hi,
I really enjoy doing Buckspoint lace, and my goal for this year is to learn
a lot more about it. I used to do a fair amount back
Whilst I know its out of print, I have on occasions seen it for sale as a
second hand pattern by dealers either at lace fairs or on their websites.
If I really wanted to make a particular piece I would be tempted to put a call
out to other Lacemakers through different sites asking if anyone
Have to add my congratulations to David - it really does look something in
black.
Clay wrote:
I found that when lots of bobbins are required, a larger pillow is
definitely advantageous. A 24 pillow gives you lots of room to work, with
plenty of space to stack bobbins out of the way. So...
Please may I add my congratulations to David for his remarkable achievement.
In white Miss Channer's mat would be wonderful, in black, well it is just
s beautiful. You are a remarkable lacemaker David and I envy you your
amazing skill.
Congratulations,
Sue.
Cornwall, UK
-- On Mon,
A really lovely piece of work David.What thread did you use to work this
piece?.
Sue T, dorset UK
You will be glad to learn that David has completed the mat which can be
viewed
at:
http://www.margorsson.com/Margorsson_Design/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.
html
He has promised to send
I just changed the title given to this correspondence for you, as the
original was misleading.
The original mat has been misplaced! I will continue to follow this
thread of conversation, since it becomes more dramatic with each posting!!!
Jeri
Sorry David but pairs but can be carried along gimps in Bucks too, and it can
also
have very large holes. The number of twists is also very variable, in fact
the only difference I see between antique Chantilly and antique black Bucks
is the picot edge. The picots for Chantilly are made by twisting
I have uploaded to more photographs on the progress of David's
Chantilly Lace Mat:
http://www.margorsson.com/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
Julian Jefferson
ja.jeffer...@virgin.net
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David
Are you aiming to set a new world record for the fastest Miss Channer's mat
ever?
It is looking wonderful - of course!
Sue
http://www.margorsson.com/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
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Please find an update on the progress of David's mat in Chantilly:
http://www.margorsson.com/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
As David sends me updates I will endeavour to upload them onto the
webpage as soon as possible - I assume that you will not mind being
informed on Arachne when
I don't know if anyone is still looking for the pricking for Miss Channer's
mat but the pricking is for sale on eBay at the moment
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150269904353ssPageName=
ADME:B:FSEL:GB:1123
jenny barron
Scotland
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(No I am not raffling off the Mat, much as it has been the bane of my life
at times!)
This week I finally finished Miss Channer's Mat and have uploaded some pics
to the Webshots site - best to look at it from a distance actually as you
can't see the gaps and other bits that I am not happy with!
Evelynn wrote:
I would love to see Janis Savage's version of Miss Channer's Mat. Does
anyone know where you can get this pattern?
For those who've missed previous discussion of this, Ruth Bean, the
publisher if this pricking and the book that accompanies it, have rejected
many requests to
I would love to see Janis Savage's version of Miss Channer's Mat. Does
anyone know where you can get this pattern?
I have really enjoyed looking at all the beautiful lace photos all of you
have posted. Thank you for being an inspiration. It is great to see so
many lace sites on the
In a message dated 12/11/2004 8:53:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I would love to see Janis Savage's version of Miss Channer's Mat.Does
anyone know where you can get this pattern?
Don't ask.
Devon
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For all of you masochists :-) who wanted to make Miss Channer's mat, a
copy of the pattern is for sale on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2389021008category=19158
Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada
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Aurelia wrote:
But it's also time we got past Miss Channer's mat! For the last 3 or 4
weeks I've been trying to get people to notice --other! more beautiful!
more challenging! less bobbin-laden!!-- pieces. F.i., Misses Sivewright
Pope (ed. Christine Springett)
I've not made any Bucks Point, but
Sorry to go on about this but those without access may want the following
facts, those living near Copenhagen, Denmark are welcome to see my copy
of the pattern.
One of the very first lace books I got was Lacemaking, Point Ground by
C.C. Channer revised by M. Waller, the Dryad Press Leicester,
I have a copy of the original book - published by Methuen Co, 36 Essex
Street, W.C., London in 1900. However, the mat does not appear in that book.
A photo of it appears in In the Cause of English Lace, which was published by
Ruth Bean in 1991. The mat was designed by Miss Channer, but the
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Dear Johanna and all interested parties.
The Poole Bobbin Lace Society has a picture of the mat worked by a member.
(With close-ups).
http://www.cyberlink.co.uk/pblc/mat.htm
Patty Dowden
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Dear Johanna and all interested parties.
The Poole Bobbin Lace Society has a picture of the mat worked by a member. (With
close-ups).
http://www.cyberlink.co.uk/pblc/mat.htm
Patty Dowden
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Hello Everybody,
What's written here:
But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it
into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw
it out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that
you could prove you didn't just copy Ruth
Dear Adele,
But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it
into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw it
out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that you
could prove you didn't just copy Ruth Bean's version.
I'm
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:08:46 -0400, Marcie wrote:
I remember the discussion too, but I can't remember what was said. What
we need to know is when the pricking was first made and if it is early
enough, that is sufficient. Otherwise we need to know when Miss Channer
died. Before a certain date
Lately we've heard from several who are about to make Miss Channer's Mat.
From where is the pattern available? I've been given to understand that it
is no longer in print. My lace goal is to one day be able to make the
above-mentioned mat, although at the rate I'm going, it would take several
Lately we've heard from several who are about to make Miss Channer's Mat.
From where is the pattern available? I've been given to understand that it
is no longer in print. My lace goal is to one day be able to make the
above-mentioned mat, although at the rate I'm going, it would take several
Hi, the pattern and copy right is held by a publishing company. Ruth Bean.
they are not willing at the moment to publish it due, I understand, to the high
costs. It is a very intricate pattern to print and has to be done properly.
They do know that suppliers like me are willing to stock them
speaking of Miss Channer's Mat - did the lucky ebay bidder in the USA -
sorry I can't remember who it was - ever recieve the mat and if she did is
she happy with her purchase?
jenny barron
Scotland
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Vivienne
Do you have an email address for the publisher, Ruth Bean? If you forwarded it to
Arachne, then everyone who wanted a copy of Miss Channer's Mat, could write to that
address telling them that they would like to purchase a copy and please would they
reprint it. That would at least give
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Subject: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat
Lately we've heard from several who are about to make Miss Channer's Mat.
From where is the pattern available? I've
At 10:07 AM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Vivienne
Do you have an email address for the publisher, Ruth Bean? If you
forwarded it to Arachne, then everyone who wanted a copy of Miss Channer's
Mat, could write to that address telling them that they would like to
purchase a copy and please would they
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