On 26 Jul 2010, at 23:16, domini...@savagesoftwaresolutions.comwrote:
FreePascal definitely works on iPhone and I know at least of 2 apps that
are on the appstore that were written using FreePascal.
May we know which fpc-made app that already went on Apple appstore? I think it
could become a
On 21 Jun 2010, at 13:01, Rigel Rig wrote:
Great work!
The best reply so far, IMO. A bit of compliment won't hurt anybody. ;)
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On 30 Mei 2010, at 23:09, Myles Wakeham wrote:
Huh? Ever heard of Facebook? Or SugarCRM? They are PHP apps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP
Even facebook developers know that native app will outperform scripting on any
cases. They ended up rewriting PHP RTL, extension, etc.
On 31 Mei 2010, at 15:32, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Hah ! :-)
LOL :D You had never heard of it, haven't you? :P
Bee, you didn't just make my day, you made my week. Thanks a lot !! :-)
You're welcome.
Work on fcl-web will definitely continue with double effort :-)
Glad to hear that. Let's
On 30 Mei 2010, at 18:37, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
If I had to buy a new toolbox for every new problem, I would have been
bancrupt a long time ago.
Most non-developers people usually think that something that is sooo popular,
then it must be the best. Which is another fallacy, I suppose.
On 28 Mei 2010, at 17:07, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
But they allow you to run a separate application as a daemon? Strange...
That's why I asked for autoshutdown feature in another mail in the other list
(since it's not about lazarus).
Or do you forward requests to another host?
Yes, that's
On 30 Mei 2010, at 07:30, Dimitri Smits wrote:
and that was just in D7 already!
Does it support Linux? Kylix? What about 64 bit servers? :P
God (and Delphi 2010 buyers) know(s) what they have in there nowadays!
Are they using those tools? No? Why?
On the other hand, why anybody would want
On 28 Mei 2010, at 15:01, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
Please, don't do what that link says. Why does everybody do so difficult
when then want to use fcgi? It's a common, widely used technology. Even
by php.
Well... it seems that not everybody is as smart as you are, Joost. Even many
people
On 28 Mei 2010, at 15:10, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
Gateway? Why?
There are some situations when gateway could provide a better solution.
That's even slower then normal cgi. Because the gateway is
in fact an cgi aplication that calls your fastcgi application.
I believe you already know
On 27 Mei 2010, at 18:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
packages. Poor Delphi people. ;)
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On 28 Mei 2010, at 15:07, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
fpWeb is too much under development now. The interface may be
changed in the future, so it's not ready for 2.4.2.
Is it possible to compile them with 2.4.2? So, I could simply copy them
somewhere and use them with 2.4.2.
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On 28 Mei 2010, at 16:33, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
Can you name me one?
On hosting that only support CGI but not FCGI.
Well, according to me there is no reason why you would use fastcgi
besides speed. (Caching and startuptimes)
Yes. I meant the CGI gateway solution, I knew it's not that
On 28 Mei 2010, at 16:35, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
Yes, just copy the fcl-web from trunk over the one in fixes. When 2.4.2
is released we can also provide a fppkg package for that.
Ah, that's a relevation. I was afraid fpWeb is using special features that only
available on 2.5.1. I hope you
On 27 Mei 2010, at 16:40, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
You just need to create a fastcgi application (lazarus file-new then
Project/FastCGI application). It will automatically create a module.
But you can include the modules you need from other applications.
I'll try. I knew about fpWeb before
Hi all,
I saw fpWeb has potential to be known as a good web framework for pascal
language. But, I also saw it's too heavily tighted with FPC infrastructure. Can
we make it more independend so it can also be used by Delphi? I think it could
make pascal more known to the web developers crowd out
On 22 Mei 2010, at 06:15, Vannus wrote:
Might interest anyone wanting Delphi/Lazarus approach in any PHP stuff they
are tackling.
How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUMW0V9nGs
;)
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Hi all,
I'm just doing a clean upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6.3 (Snow Leopard 64 bit) from
Mac OS X 10.5.8 (Leopard 32 bit) on my Intel-based Mac machine. I used to have
FPC 2.2.4 and Lazarus SVN for 32 bit on Leopard 32 bit and all went fine there.
Since now I'm on 64 bit environment, I'd like to
On 21 Mei 2010, at 21:46, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
Use make clean after a svn update.
This is my first check out on my newly fresh installed Mac SL.
Or even better: use lazbuild.
I usually use IDE to rebuild Lazarus. I only use 'make' once in a while when
the IDE isn't yet available (I
On 21 Mei 2010, at 21:39, Bee Jay wrote:
After rethinking about it... I don't think I won't be able to use 64 bit
Lazarus as long as I use Carbon since Carbon is 32 bit anyway. Unless Lazarus
support for Cocoa goes beta (at least) while it's still on alpha today.
However, I still able
On 18 Mei 2010, at 16:01, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
And when you used Object Pascal for web apps, you can use anything in
the RTL, FCL, database components, Object Persistent Frameworks (eg:
tiOPF) etc... ANY non-visual component - all out of
On 18 Mei 2010, at 03:12, Lee Jenkins wrote:
I think the traditional barrier has been the deployment issue which probably
made pascal based web application or servers more common to
workgroup/intranet applications.
Yes, though binary CGI support is also very common.
The problem I think
I have read many of the discussions about the new website design and
content, and saw trial screenshots etc. VERY OFTEN the name Free
Pascal
in incorrectly spelt.
Does it really matter? I don't think it's important whether people use
free pascal or freepascal as long as it means FPC.
I took minimalist approach because most new visitors will be
overwhelmed by things they have to read just to download the damned
thing. There are many reason why open source projects nowadays put a
big button on their front page just so anyone who visit the page for
the first time (either by word
I don't like the gradient fill blue (old fashioned) and even less
the idea of rotating banners in that position (annoying)
Please note that it's a work in progress, nothing is final. Please
read my other emails regarding this.
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:15 PM, Klenongan wrote:
Well that's interesting, you don't know what Lazarus because you do
not want to read the text, which right next to a big picture. A text
below the name 'Lazarus' made bigger than the rest of the page, well
placed to be seen first, not only that I
Hi all,
While the discussion about the page layout is still hot, let's discuss
the true problem of all: THE REAL CONTENT! :)
As you may already know, my proposal already have a content structure
as shown in the footer bar. Now, I ask for your help to fill the
content for them. First, let
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
Nice.
Thanks.
I think that this part should be the same throughout the whole site.
No, the header will be changed according to what content being
displayed on the page. If it's FPC specific, then the header will show
FPC banner.
However, if we are making a concerted effort to present a more
'professional' web image, perhaps it is time to impose a more
consistent style on the more public and static pages, and agree on a
few rules of style and spelling (British or American English? IDE or
I.D.E.? and suchlike). What
1. Wiki, it's already available. Maybe we should reconstructure the
content so they could be better categorized.
2. Bug tracker, it's already available using Mantis. Maybe we
should fix the appearance so its theme could fit the new design.
3. Source code browser, it's already available using
On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Klenongan wrote:
And here's mine, with more 'elegant' touch to it. I use large fonts
and white overall to make a neutral appearance --as I don't know
Lazarus' color--.
Yes, it look more elegant. It's a nice design, I must say.
The page uses less text as possible
Take a look at http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5716/lazwebnew020210.png
Still I think that we must use blue colors. IDE uses blue logo, blue
icons. Everywhere the blue color dominates. Web site can't be brown
but everything else blue. And I think that we are not able to change
logo and
Something like this could easily apply to Lazarus too, and it is
relatively
little effort to setup. Also designing the website so that in
doesn't use
serverside includes etc makes it easier for users to checkout the
website
from the repository and simply use a web browser to view the
Looks good. Maybe we can add a tagline to the brownish header. 'Code
once, compile everywhere' could be it maybe. It has to tell what
Lazarus/fpc is as less as words possible.
Yes, as I asked previously, I need help about the wording. Somebody
who has a bit knowledge about marketting may
Personally, I like the other color scheme more than this one. But, I
would rather go with color scheme which is more in spirit of whole
project. (btw, how about having blue behind Lazarus less intense -
maybe more like those at the top and bottom?)
BTW, my post is about the content structure as
For example, when you click on 'support(s)' what kind of page do you
see? Of is if a menu which shows when you hover your mouse above it,
so
that 'Mailing lists','online forum', 'IRC' etc appears?
My approach is to be less JS as possible, more static HTML/CSS. It'll
be easier to maintain.
Perhaps i'm the only one missing a link to the Wiki pages?
It's available on the footer section.
It's my understanding that most of the current content for
developers is placed on the wiki. So perhaps such a link should be
placed in the top bar along with the downloads and support.
The
I really like the page design!
Thanks.
I have a suggestion for the wording at the top of the page - see it
below.
You will see it is a bit more explanatory, perhaps more suitable for
students. It also omits 'native', and I suggest this can be picked
up in your 'cross-platform' stuff
The big header section isn't static. It will be slide-like
presentation that will highlight key features of both FPC and Lazarus.
One more thing. The header section is available on the front page
only. It wouldn't be available on the other deeper pages. The top link
section and footer
Ok, and how a user can 'see' where he is? And what we are looking at
now
is the first level navigation. What about the second and third?
Good question. I haven't finish the deeper pages layout proposal. The
content pages, will have a navigation bar below the shrinked header.
The shrinked
Instead or in addition to the text feature highlights some icons
or screenshots? So users can visually recognize the most important
features?
Yes, that's the plan. My designer needs some time to design the
required images and icons. Once it's done, I will post it on the
appearance
It would be better a custom design... Could we talk to the Rik -
http://silvioclecio.blogspot.com/2009/12/rik-lee-inkscape-com-arte.html
Could you help me provide the images, icon, etc for the new web site?
My designer is doing this in his spare time, I can't push him too much
because he
Seems it was discussed before already. Yes, at least FPC community
forum and lazarus forums can be merged (before this already happened
with the wiki and the bug tracker).
So, I may safely assume that the website of FPC and Lazarus will be
merged on this work. Not?
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If you mean in FPC, count me in :)
From the content structure that I proposed on the other thread, we
need some applications to accompany the web site.
1. Wiki, it's already available. Maybe we should reconstructure the
content so they could be better categorized.
2. Bug tracker, it's
For now I agree. But later we can create products menu with: Free
Pascal, Lazarus, MseIDE MseGUI , FpGUI. After all some FPC
developers are working on lazarus and some lazarus developers are
working on fpc.
Contradictly, I prefer both are merged for now. It'll be easier to
create and
On Feb 2, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
4. Contributed code repo, it's already available through
Contributed Units on FPC site. I think we should build a new one
for this using fpWeb.
I was planning to do so. I will also rewrite the testsuite tool.
Great news. This is a
On Feb 2, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Juha Manninen wrote:
Please don't make the animations very heavy for CPU.
There are many pages with animated ads that hog 70% of my CPU and I
don't want
to keep them open for long.
It'd be a simple JS animation, not flash and nothing fancy.
Another wish:
I
1. Wiki, it's already available. Maybe we should reconstructure the
content so they could be better categorized.
2. Bug tracker, it's already available using Mantis. Maybe we should
fix the appearance so its theme could fit the new design.
3. Source code browser, it's already available using
On Feb 2, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
One more thing:
8. Account integrator. Since we have many applications for the
website i.e. wiki, forum, mantis, svn, etc. I think we should make
one app to synchronized a single account across those apps. So, the
user would only
On Feb 2, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Marco van de Voort wrote:
I'd keep it FPC and Lazarus only. More choice only confuses, and the
deep
integration with the other two projects is also not there.
I agree, only FPC and Lazarus that need to be merged. The other should
have its own website, but we
On Feb 2, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Paul Ishenin wrote:
Maybe bounty field can be added to the bug-tracker. So if a reporter
want to pay some money for the issue he/she can fill that field?
Anyway, bounties does not differ from regular issues - just reporter
want to pay to speedup the solution.
The content pages, will have a navigation bar below the shrinked
header. The shrinked header will be static which will show the
appropriate slide in regard with the content being displayed.
Here's my proposal for content page layout:
- ... anything else? ...
Can anybody help me provide pictures and icons about cheetah? Or can
anybody point me to good resources of it? I need it for the new
Lazarus website design. TIA.
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Can anybody help me provide pictures and icons about cheetah? Or can
anybody point me to good resources of it? I need it for the new
Lazarus website design. TIA.
I also need some slogans or buzz words/sentences for the design. My
yunior web designer could help with the design and layout,
http://images.google.com/images?q=cheetah
Of course, that would be my first destination. :P But what I need here
is more iconic, or cartoonish, not real pictures. It's pretty hard to
find like those in google. I could ask my designer to draw one, but
it'd take some amount of time. :)
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When switching to brown it conflicts with the forum.
Yes, but we could ignore it for now because we couldn't fix all the
things at once.
Then there is again a site vs. forum.
The main problem is there's no website for lazarus, as some people
thought. Current lazarus website is the
I've made a very basic design, just to show off my page layout and
content structure proposal. It's not yet about the true design (color,
theme, etc) and the accessories (images, icons, etc).
Take a look at http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5716/lazwebnew020210.png
On this design, at the
Hi all,
Continuing our discussion on the other thread, let's get some real
action. From this email, I will suggest and collecting some ideas
about what we're gonna do with Lazarus web site (and also FPC?). If we
settle with the whole things, we could ask some volunteers to do some
works
Hi all,
Now, let's talk about the content and its structure. From the first
email, I have shared some references, maybe we could go from there.
Some things need to be considered are:
- what contents we're gonna provide to the visitors?
- which contents need to be displayed on the main page?
Hi all,
The last thing is: should we merge FPC and Lazarus? If so, why? If
not, what's the reason?
This is important, IMO. Most people know Lazarus is the official FPC
IDE. Also because it would also effect on the whole website design. If
they're separated, should we also reconstruct the
Hi all,
One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to
the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use
to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb?
Honestly, I expect it would be build using fpWeb. Because we could
prove by itself that
At the very least, this point has my vote :-)
I'll contribute my yunior designer work on this effort. I'll confirm
this by Monday. I'll personally supervise his work. He's able to
produce the HTML, CSS, and required JS for the design. So, it's only
the front-end part. Would you do the
The last thing is: should we merge FPC and Lazarus? If so, why? If
not, what's the reason?
I prefer that both are merged, but with separated content. This would
make the website maintenance easier and focus.
Let's hear what others would say. :)
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I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I am simple pointing out the
obvious faults of the current first port of call website new users
get when they want to know about the Lazarus project. Why make it so
difficult for new users?
@all:
Enough talking and let's do the real work. FPC/Lazarus is
I think you exaggerate it a bit.
* FCL-Web
* fpWeb
Both are same thing: fcl-web = fpweb
* ExtPas
* ExtPascal - not sure if this is the same as previous option
Again, both are same thing.
* Morfik
* Morfik's JST
JST is an integrated part or Morfik.
I think I got them all, and these
My boss was actually very surprised that there are no standards
in web development. It is not what he was told by other people :-)
Standards does exist. It's the problem of the implementator,
especially the browser makers, who each thinks a smart a** and ignore
those standards.
Gee wiz,
IMO a good add-on to the Lazarus is invisible? thread.
While I agree with the points that Lazarus need better documentations,
I think those people in that forum are spoil programmers. I also don't
understand why they are so defensive against Lazarus.
I remember the first time I found
It's not like Morfik - to write an wrapper, for an existing JS library
is a matter of one or two hours - I did it for Google-Maps and JQuery.
Have you tried to write a wrapper for ExtJS or any other advanced JS
library that provides advanced UI widgets with server side data
binding, not
For ExtPascal, it was true for every page I wanted to make, so that
is far
over 5% :(
Yes, because ExtPascal is just a wrapper for ExtJS classes. What I
meant in the previous email is the existence of a pascal to JS
compiler, like Morfik's JST, will do the job. I prefer compiler term
Take a look at HaXe (haxe.org) - HaXe is a dynamic but type safe
programming language, which is much better suited for Web programming
than ExtPascal (in my opinion).
I've heard about it and wasn't interested since it doesn't support
pascal. :P
Since HaXe has many targets (JavaScript,
That's about it. It will use Qooxdoo-calls for the server-events. You
can add more, offcourse... (does Qooxdoo also use some sort of
'readyscript'?)
My main reason using ExtPascal and this new fcl-web is I'm too lazy to
study JS programming and getting my hand dirty of it. Every JS
For it to work the fcl-web_joost branch of Freepascal has to be
used. (Or copy the
files in packages/fcl-web onto your checkout of fpc-trunk)
Can it be just merged with current fpc-trunk so we don't need to mess
around with our svn copy? It could also be included as part of
official
Is there any opensource work with it? Link please!
Screenshot: http://code.google.com/p/extpascal/wiki/Projects_Using_ExtPascal
Source code: http://extpascal.googlegroups.com/web/d3tkjdt_app.zip
It's my application. However, it was build using ExtPascal 0.9.4. It
might need some minor
I did test the program with version 0.9.28.2 on my Mac. It seems
that the mouse events and status bar don't work correctly. Since
the menus on Widows XP and OS X behave differently, the program
needs to be rewritten to use buttons rather than menus to control
the simulation and use
This indeed violates that goal, but please don't evaluate lazarus as
a complete product. There is a bug tracker, with very friendly and
responsive developers, as you have noticed.
That's why I said he's not ready to join an open source project
_driven_ by community. I never mean to
Well the understanding of cross platform is quite varying. The base
obviously is that one source code can be executed on all of the
supported platforms.
In my understanding, there are 3 kinds of cross platform implementation:
1. Cross platform is implemented within an virtual environment
Is this statement 'Lazarus and Free Pascal aim to be write once,
compile anywhere' still a goal? If so can someone please provide me
with the source code of a non trivial program which runs on Windows,
Linux and OS X (Intel) using the current stable software available at
You must be a
Hi all,
While FPC had support for unit path (-Fu) containing spaces, Lazarus
IDE still rejects them. If I forced them, the IDE couldn't handle
them, as if they don't exist. Is it correct? Or did I miss something?
TIA.
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