Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Jack Coates, 2001-06-14 19:13 -0700 >agreed. what's required here? Mike, give me a few pointers and I'll take >care of it. Jack, Almost all of our site content is modified through phpWS admin/author accounts. If you want me to set you up with one, let me know. I'll send you the login informatio

Re: [Leaf-devel] Hopefully last thread on LRP and leaving

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Coates
For any one else reaching for the nearest high-speed networking textbook, that's equivalent to OC-12. 622 Mbps ATM, or 483 Mbps pure throughput after overhead (20% ATM, 3% IP). -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Pim van Riezen wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Coates
better -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Everyone, > Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now? > > Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home page > is alright. >

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Development Platform?

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Coates
> > > > * Portage - this is used by Gentoo, and basically brings a form of the > > FreeBSD ports tree to Linux. The concept is this: you change into a > > directory, perform a "build", then the system fetches the source file > > and compiles it for your environment. This has the benefit of > > c

Re: [Leaf-devel] Apparent Directions

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Coates
as good a division as any, but I think I'd add a distinction: -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > This is where I see the two LRP derivatives heading, based on the > mails from developers, and in other cases, my own view. These are

Re: [Leaf-devel] Apparent Directions

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Coates
Charles writes: > Also, I'm generally interested in 'really thin' servers. The first will > probably be a BIND server, which I'd also like to see install straight from > the CD. > Me too -- I've got quite a few old systems here that would be useful for testing something like that. Unfortunately

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Sensney
At 12:26 PM 06/14/2001 -0500, David Douthitt wrote >Mike Sensney wrote: >> Imagine you are a Windows user. :-) > >Not hard - but now I've got VNC on my NT box and a vnc server on the >Linux box :-) > >> You have heard about firewalling, have a >> spare computer, and want to protect your home/offic

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Jack Coates
agreed. what's required here? Mike, give me a few pointers and I'll take care of it. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to > imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there

[Leaf-devel] OT National Security Agency

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Sensney
The NSA has done some security work with Linux. They refer to it as "Security-Enhanced Linux". It is an ongoing project. http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/index.html (Pulled from the web site.) = Security-Enhanced Linux Project

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14 13:35 -0500 > > Everyone, > > Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now? > > > > Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home > > page is alright. > >Looking better! Charles, Thanks. The releases page still needs a lot of

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Scott C. Best, 2001-06-14 12:41 -0700 >Mike: > Looks much better, thanks! Scott, No problem. Thanks for the suggestion. > Quick thing: there's a new half-inch margin on >the right hand side that's squishing the page leftwards. >Or is my browser just totally hosed? (NS 4.6 on Sola

Re: [Leaf-devel] Apparent Directions

2001-06-14 Thread Jacques Nilo
> > Also, I'm generally interested in 'really thin' servers. The first will > probably be a BIND server, which I'd also like to see install straight from > the CD. > > Charles Steinkuehler Hi Charles ! What are the reasons which make you choose Bind over tinydns if you are looking for a "really

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Scott C. Best
Mike: Looks much better, thanks! Quick thing: there's a new half-inch margin on the right hand side that's squishing the page leftwards. Or is my browser just totally hosed? (NS 4.6 on Solaris). -Scott On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14 09

Re: [Leaf-devel] [OT] Routing Question

2001-06-14 Thread Paonia Ezrine
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Off Topic folks so bear with me ;-) > > Is there a program that alows floating default gateways for NIC's under > Linux > Example > NIC 1 goes to ISP1 > NIC 2 goes to ISP2 > ISP1 is the default gateway > ISP1 gateway goes down > system aut

[Leaf-devel] Site backup/mirror

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Everyone, Here are the files that you need to download to backup/mirror our site. CVS Tarball http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cvstarballs/leaf-cvsroot.tar.gz Files Area - approx 1G ftp://ftp1.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/leaf/ shell - approx 900M /home/groups/l/le/leaf MySQL dbase I don't know h

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> Everyone, > Are our home page and releases page easier to navigate now? > > Note: I still need to work on our releases page, but I think our home page > is alright. Looking better! I still think we need a page that tells folks about the different versions. The current FAQ page you link to is a

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: [...] > What most people want - a blackbox that you plug in and turn on and > forget - it just isn't going to happen: > > 1. Too many variables: do you want a VPN? Shell access? Proxy? > DMZ? Web Cache? Web server? SNMP? Web statistics? Name se

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-06-14 09:51 -0500 >I don't know that we need to change the menu items, just make it easier >for a new user to find our distributions. Maybe add another >'tagline'...something like > >What is it? > >Project Goals: > >Distributions: > Choosing a distribution <- Link to

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread David Douthitt
Mike Sensney wrote: > > Imagine you are a Windows user. :-) Not hard - but now I've got VNC on my NT box and a vnc server on the Linux box :-) > You have heard about firewalling, have a > spare computer, and want to protect your home/office network. You don't > know RedHat from YellowDog and d

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Kenneth Hadley
I think this is a EXCELLENT idea, also, I know most DSL users in Europe and Australia use PPPtP (i think is spelling) PPPoE is mostly a US thing Kenneth Hadley - Original Message - From: "Mike Sensney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent:

Re: [Leaf-devel] 298 maintenence

2001-06-14 Thread David Douthitt
Steven Peck wrote: > Well, I still like the LRP298 base., What I want to sdo as a learning > excercise (when I move) is to update it. Update busybox, the kernel, etc. > Be about 2 months before I get started. David D seems to have learned > a lot hacking on Oxygen, that I figure I can play wit

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Sensney
Imagine you are a Windows user. :-) You have heard about firewalling, have a spare computer, and want to protect your home/office network. You don't know RedHat from YellowDog and don't really care. You don't have the time to read all of the docs. You don't want to have to make all sorts of ch

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread David Douthitt
"Scott C. Best" wrote: > My suggestion would be to add a "Get a LEAF > Disk image Right Here, Right Now" right under the Affiliates > section of the main page. Have that link take the user to > the current Releases page where Eigerstein and Oxygen are > active links to their sites (which

RE: [Leaf-devel] 298 maintenence

2001-06-14 Thread Steven Peck
~ From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~ To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:32:07 -0500 ~ Subject: [Leaf-user] 2.0.x LRP's ~ ~ Are the standard LRP (2.9.8) images going to be maintained still? For ~ those of us still using the 2.0.x kernel based LRP's? Well, I still like the LRP29

RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Steven Peck
How about 2-3 buttons top level with sub menus? [button] single floppy NATing firewall router images --[button] eigerstein2 --[button] dachenstein --[button] ppp dachenstein --[button] pppoe dachenstein --[button] specialized Oxygen build --[button] other distribution [button] toolkit distributi

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Scott C. Best
Mike: I'm hardly the best judge of what's best for new users. But I'm very opinionated, if that helps! ;) My suggestion would be to add a "Get a LEAF Disk image Right Here, Right Now" right under the Affiliates section of the main page. Have that link take the user to the current

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 > > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to > >imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the > >first time. > > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er > >links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a gre

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 > > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to > >imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the > >first time. > > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er > >links to

Re: [Leaf-devel] Hopefully last thread on LRP and leaving

2001-06-14 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> >P.P.S. what steps have been taken to store and or mirror sourceforge > >locally should VA Linux go away? > > I backup our web site, and the content in the DocManager here: > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/archives/ > > SourceForge also backs up all projects regularly. If someone wishes to make

Re: [Leaf-devel] Hopefully last thread on LRP and leaving

2001-06-14 Thread Pim van Riezen
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > >P.P.S. what steps have been taken to store and or mirror sourceforge > > >locally should VA Linux go away? > > > > I backup our web site, and the content in the DocManager here: > > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/archives/ > > > > SourceForge

Re: [Leaf-devel] Apparent Directions

2001-06-14 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> This is where I see the two LRP derivatives heading, based on the > mails from developers, and in other cases, my own view. These are > LONG views. > > Eigerstein: > > * Ease of use improvements and focus: boot it and use it > * Leaner, smaller > * Further specialized as a router and firewa

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to >imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the >first time. > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er >links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a great help. Sur

Re: [Leaf-devel] New Development Platform?

2001-06-14 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
> > Also, I'd prefer to make a system flexible enough to handle: > > > > Base utilities...choice of: > > "Standard" binary > > BusyBox > > asmutils > > shell-script (POSIXness or similar) > > omitted entirely > > > > Libraries...choice of: > > ulibc > > glibc (various versions) > > newlib > > othe

Re: [Leaf-devel] Hopefully last thread on LRP and leaving

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Mike Sensney, 2001-06-13 22:51 -0700 >I think there is no need to do anything. As the expression goes, "Why >flog a dead horse?" I haven't unsubscribed from the LRP list. There >isn't any need to. The list is effectively dead. There are a very few >posters asking LRP questions. Nobody is answering

Re: [Leaf-devel] Hopefully last thread on LRP and leaving

2001-06-14 Thread Mike Noyes
Morgan Reed, 2001-06-14 01:27 -0400 >To all, >While I am still willing to sign and send out an open letter, I believe >it is probably unnecessary. Morgan, Thank you for taking the time to write the open letter. You did a great job late at night for our benefit, and I appreciate it. That said I a

[Leaf-devel] Apparent Directions

2001-06-14 Thread David Douthitt
This is where I see the two LRP derivatives heading, based on the mails from developers, and in other cases, my own view. These are LONG views. Eigerstein: * Ease of use improvements and focus: boot it and use it * Leaner, smaller * Further specialized as a router and firewall * Built again