Re: [Leaf-devel] Minix V1 file system verses V2.

2001-07-20 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Andrew Hoying wrote: > Hello, > > While going though the busybox options, I saw that you could turn on Minix > version 2 file system support. I checked and Oxygen currently is using > version one, and I'd guess the other distributions are as well. Is there any > advantages t

Re: [Leaf-devel] FAQ update: Why does the DocManager...

2001-07-18 Thread jdnewmil
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Everyone, > Please take a look at the new proposed format for our DocManager documents. > I don't want to start modifying the rest of our FAQs until I get some > feedback on this format. Thanks. > > Why does the DocManager... > http://sourceforge.net/do

Subjects (was Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb))

2001-07-18 Thread jdnewmil
grumble... content... grumble... subject... grumble... price of matzoh balls in china... asleep at the keyboard... [... discussion of helpfile formats omitted ...] ;) --- Jeff NewmillerThe .

Re: [Leaf-devel] Licensing (specifically, djb)

2001-07-17 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Andrew Hoying wrote: > David Douthitt wrote: > > > Andrew Hoying wrote: [...] > > Using vfat instead of msdos is another possibility... for longer > > filenames. > > I'm a big proponent of moving to VFat, we'll just have to find a new small > boot loader. We do? Why not

Re: [Leaf-devel] New User Interface Tool: Breakthrough!

2001-07-13 Thread jdnewmil
On 13 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey, I bought a disk notcher so I could double side my 5-1/4" floppy > disks. I saved SO much money. ROFL I saved more than you... I used an exacto knife I already had lying around. I thought the 3.5" floppy format was a conspiracy by the disk manufac

Re: [Leaf-devel] New User Interface Tool: Breakthrough!

2001-07-13 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Hilton Travis wrote: > > > Are those the 8" floppy disks? I think the 8" floppy disks never held more than 250KB at most, anyway. Now where are these floppys with 800M free? And is that 800MB or 800Mb? -

[Leaf-devel] NetLinOS?

2001-06-29 Thread jdnewmil
Anyone have any thoughts on http://www.netlinos.org? It seems ... thin. Build a website and they will come. Full-page ad in LJ, but the online press release is dated 6/12/2001, so it is kind of behind the curve. I could see it becoming a useful site, if it can get rid of its strong Cyclades co

Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: [Leaf-user] 3c90X and Oxygen

2001-06-26 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Greg Morgan wrote: [...] > I just came across some Redhat documentation. It's Appendix A in the > "Red Hat Linux 7.1: The Official Red Hat Linux Reference Guide". > There's a reference for almost everything. It starts here: > http://www.redhat.com/support/manuals/RHL-7.1-

RE: [Leaf-devel] Hard-Hat

2001-06-26 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > >> > I've also downloaded the CD's, but it seems that something is wrong > with > >> > CD1... > >> > > >> > It should boot, but I get nothing. > >> > >> Hmm...I just tried booting mine and I get a lilo prompt... > > >I have a 1.2 and 2.0(2disks), and

Re: [Leaf-devel] Hard-Hat

2001-06-25 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > I've also downloaded the CD's, but it seems that something is wrong with > > CD1... > > > > It should boot, but I get nothing. > > Hmm...I just tried booting mine and I get a lilo prompt... I have a 1.2 and 2.0(2disks), and the former will bo

Re: [Leaf-devel] ramfs article by Mark Nielsen

2001-06-25 Thread jdnewmil
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Everyone, > You may find this article of interest. > > Wacky uses for Raid, /dev/ram, and ramfs > http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July2001/article210.shtml Interesting bits about ramfs. RAID seems particularly pointless with ramdisks. He may find htt

RE: [Leaf-devel] Hard-Hat

2001-06-21 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > One extra thought! > > MD5 checksums ARE OK!!! > > Bye! > > > p.s. Charles, if you managed to boot it, can you privately send me the boot > floppy? > > -Original Message- > From: Luis.F.Correia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday,

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-15 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Mike Sensney wrote: > At 09:53 AM 06/15/2001 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote [...] > >Good point. I'm using the leaf-announce list to post security > >bullitins. I admit, I haven't done a great job. Do we need a separate > >list for security announcements, or are you suggesting som

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: [...] > What most people want - a blackbox that you plug in and turn on and > forget - it just isn't going to happen: > > 1. Too many variables: do you want a VPN? Shell access? Proxy? > DMZ? Web Cache? Web server? SNMP? Web statistics? Name se

Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement

2001-06-14 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 > > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to > >imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the > >first time. > > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er > >links to

Re: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org

2001-06-12 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Ray Olszewski wrote: > > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the > > important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on > > this thread. > > I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to

Re: [Leaf-devel] Ewald's Updated ES2B

2001-06-03 Thread jdnewmil
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, KP [iso-8859-1] Kirchdörfer wrote: > Am Samstag, 2. Juni 2001 23:09 schrieb Charles Steinkuehler: > > > - Use the ramlog package instead of the log package...this puts the logs on > > a seperate ramdisk, avoiding the full ramdisk issues, which are the most > > likely thing t

Re: [Leaf-devel] Kernels and kernel modules

2001-06-01 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Be aware that kernels go with the set of modules compiled with > > them. There are exceptions to this rule, but the safest bet is to make > > sure the kernel and modules you use came together. > > I always suspected the

Re: [Leaf-devel] Talk of names....

2001-05-22 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 22 May 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > George Metz wrote: > > > That's a lot of wordplay in there. I think that Oxygen/2 should actually > > be Oxygen System/2, but that's just me. =) > > I thought "/2" was copyrighted by IBM :-( > > > I personally like Oxygen: Ozone Edition for the next

Re: [Leaf-devel] Makefile and Directory to create LRP packages fromsource

2001-05-08 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 8 May 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > I've managed to get the lrp/ directory and Makefile near completion. > It relies on some shell scripts contained in the same directory. My > goal is (after compiling source): I have visions of a cloud saying *and a miracle occurs* and then we proceed

Re: [Leaf-devel] SVLDG meeting (was: SVLUG meeting and Midori presentation)

2001-05-03 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-05-03 13:22 -0500 > > > It might be a good idea to gather together on a weekend sometime. We > > > could call it a Silicon Valley LEAF Developers Group (SVLDG) meeting. > > > We need a place that is accessible by public transporta

Re: [Leaf-devel] Proposed CVS Structure

2001-05-02 Thread jdnewmil
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Ewald Wasscher wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] > > What I had in mind was to do the same thing, but with patched sources > > - and thus then create a package at the same time. > > > I would like to keep the lrp-specific things as seperate as possible > from the or

Re: [Leaf-devel] Northpoint refugees?

2001-04-27 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Jack Coates wrote: > Satellite, Frame Relay, and ISDN -- ridiculously expensive. I can > justify about $100 a month for >=128 Kbps. I did think about sharing > with the neighbors for a few minutes, but I don't really need to add > bill collection and technical support to my l

Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Site Status

2001-04-24 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Ray added/updated the ping FAQs in DocManager sec07. Please review them if > you have time. > https://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=13751 I seem to recall something like: Ping type 4: Ping returns immediately with "Destination (host|net) is unreachab

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, George Metz wrote: > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > Jack Coates, 2001-04-21 16:08 -0700 > > >I just hunted through my module archives and I've never built it as a > > >module... > > > > > >I also did a google search, but the only ones I turned up in reasonable

Re: [Leaf-devel] File Systems (was: CVS structure)

2001-04-21 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-20 18:03 -0700 > >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > This still doesn't explain why Debian is > > > trying to do the following for their boot floppies. > > > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot-0102/msg00435.html

Re: [Leaf-devel] CVS structure (was: Patched kernel 2.4.3(abouttobe) available.)

2001-04-20 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-20 17:26 -0700 > >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > I thought this might be a good way to write protect hard drives > > > and flash disks. > > > >Perhaps... or it may actually be _too_ restrictive, since you simply >

Re: [Leaf-devel] CVS structure (was: Patched kernel 2.4.3(abouttobe) available.)

2001-04-20 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-20 16:30 -0700 > >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > > > David Douthitt, 2001-04-20 16:25 -0500 > > > >I like the long name idea, using VFAT. The only thing is, VFAT adds > > > >FAT to the kernel (pun intended :-) Jus

Re: [Leaf-devel] CVS structure (was: Patched kernel 2.4.3(abouttobe) available.)

2001-04-20 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > David Douthitt, 2001-04-20 16:25 -0500 > >I like the long name idea, using VFAT. The only thing is, VFAT adds > >FAT to the kernel (pun intended :-) Just how big is this thing? > > Would someone explain to me why we shouldn't use cramfs? I believe it wo

Re: [Leaf-devel] CVS structure (was: Patched kernel 2.4.3(about tobe) available.)

2001-04-20 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, George Metz wrote: > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > > > Not a bad idea; however, there are a few things that come to mind: > > > > * How do you create a VFAT diskette under Windows? Some may laugh; I > > for one am not sure how > > Beats me. I think it's

Re: [Leaf-devel] sed bug or my stupidity?

2001-04-19 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Eric Wolzak wrote: > Hello all Unix guru's > I got myself a problem > I need for a weblet a function that first check if teststring is already > inserted in a file, if not it will be inserted. This to prevent that > reloading will cause repeated insertions. > > due to co

Re: [Leaf-devel] support PPPoA?

2001-04-12 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, jim mcdonagh wrote: > Hello, > > Does oxygen or one of the other variants of leaf support PPPoA with a Linux > supported dsl card? AFAIK, there are no "Linux supported dsl cards". Alcatel released a driver for their USB dsl modem recently, but it requires kernel 2.4. I th

Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems FAQ

2001-04-11 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-10 21:28 -0700 > >Having the mime-type in place, apparently Netscape now recognizes that an > >lrp file is binary even without specifying the type in the URL. > > Jeff, > That's what I got too. I added the following helper appl

Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems FAQ

2001-04-10 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-10 16:26 -0700 > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > I'm working on the second part of this FAQ. Netscape has similar > > > problems with ftp downloads. I was unable to get the ;i switch to work > > > on .lrp files in o

Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems FAQ

2001-04-10 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Ray Olszewski, 2001-04-10 20:57 -0700 > > This really should be a FAQ answer. > > > >Netscape exhibits this problem because Netscape is polite and follows the > >html standards. So if a Web server says a file is text, trusting old > >Netscape believes it

Re: [Leaf-devel] Netscape download problems revealed! (was: Re:[Leaf-devel] Re: CRC error on shorewall.lrp NO ERROR)

2001-04-10 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Ray Olszewski wrote: > This really should be a FAQ answer. What a gaping hole. I could have sworn it was on lrp.c0wz.com, but I cannot find it. > The Web server tells the browser what type of file a download is. For > our purposes here, the important types are text and bi

Long Package Names (was Re: [Leaf-devel] Kernel 2.4.x)

2001-04-09 Thread jdnewmil
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, David Douthitt wrote: [...] > What do you all think about NOT getting package names from the name of > the package file? > > For example: > > foo.lrp > > ...could have its real name being... > > fooBecomesALongNameBeforeYouKnowItanditsUNSTOPPABLE > > :-) Seriously t

Re: [Leaf-devel] Languages

2001-04-07 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jack Coates wrote: > Every time I've tried to learn C or C++ the instructor or author lays > out all the basics of the language and I do fine. We do a few example > programs like helloworld.c and add/subtract calculators, and I do fine. > Then the excersises jump into geometry

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-07 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > I'm surprised no one is understanding this complaint; I think I > understand it perfectly. It has occurred to me also. Some good points are made below, but the temporary copy still seems unnecessary. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Thu, 5 Apr

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, S.C.Best wrote: > Jeff: > Sorry you don't agree. Well, I am too. I feel like one of us is operating under some misconceptions about how lrpkg or tar works. By continuing this thread, I hope to grok your concern, or perhaps you will find your concerns were not justifie

Re: [Leaf-devel] Packaging

2001-04-05 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Scott C. Best wrote: > > Actually I like .lrp as well, though my complaint > with it is different. I find it difficult to extract files > from a .lrp without potentially overwriting important system > binaries on the development box. I don't grok this. I have never ha

Re: [Leaf-devel] Stripping binaries

2001-03-30 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > > > > What gives? Also, what's the difference between no options and -g? > > > > information about line number positions in the source code > > > > > After all, what get

Re: [Leaf-devel] Stripping binaries

2001-03-30 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > What is the difference between: > > gcc -s...stripping a binary, yes? yes > gcc -g...adding debugging symbols, yes? debugging symbols means source code line number information > strip ...removing debugging symbols, yes? ..

Re: [Leaf-devel] Nifty CD Idea

2001-03-29 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > The > > technique I'm using to run LRP off a HDD root partition is to acutally run > > the LRP startup scripts in a chrooted environment, creating a root > > environment that is then simply mounted at the next boot (l

Re: [Leaf-devel] New release of Oxygen (March 2001)

2001-03-27 Thread jdnewmil
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Matthew Schalit wrote: > George Metz wrote: > > > > > (Lets face it gang, ain't no UNIX browser out there > > that matches up to IE5, no matter how much I want Mozilla to succeed) > > > IE5 is p@@p. Hmm. A few too many proprietary features, but remarkably stable for me.

Re: [Leaf-devel] deep thoughts

2001-03-26 Thread jdnewmil
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > Jack Coates wrote: > > > This got me thinking -- does LRP have a disk cache? And if so, why? > > Caching one hunk of system RAM in another is not sensible. > > Why not? As I understand HP-UX, "swap" involves swapping files to > buffers in memory (fi

Re: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite backup

2001-03-26 Thread jdnewmil
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-03-25 18:39 -0800 > >On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-03-25 15:14 -0800 [...] > > > >--- > > > > > >sed -e "/INSERT IN

Re: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite backup

2001-03-25 Thread jdnewmil
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-03-25 15:14 -0800 > >On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > >The g indicates multiple substitutions within the selected lines. My > >mistake wsa in the line selection. I simplified things while testing > >the command, and forgot

Re: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite backup

2001-03-25 Thread jdnewmil
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-03-25 12:35 -0800 [...] > >I am still concerned about the loss of author attribution information. > >The "stories" table uses the "aid" variable. > > Since users can create content, don't you have to worry about the uid > variab

Re: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite header & backup

2001-03-25 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-03-23 23:39 -0800 > > >... omits all user(name?) data? > > Jeff, > Correct, all of the users data is stripped. There is no user data in the > initial table supplied by phpWebSite. Okay. > >... hardcoded "leaf" vs $DB? > > It w

Re: [Leaf-devel] deep thoughts

2001-03-24 Thread jdnewmil
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Jack Coates wrote: > Just thinking here, generally a bad idea... I've been reading the > Postfix list lately, on which Linux is dissed for a couple of reasons: > > a) asynchronous flushing in ext2fs causes lost mail > > This is a good reason to diss, and I've been avoiding

Re: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite header & backup

2001-03-24 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Mike Noyes, 2001-03-22 07:29 -0800 > >As soon as I figure out the correct sed syntax for stripping admin and > >user passwords from our MySQL database, I'll make backups of our website > >public. > > Everyone, > Here is a rough draft of a function I wrote

Re: [Leaf-devel] WebSite links

2001-03-23 Thread jdnewmil
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-03-22 14:24 -0500 > >Well, how about putting the links in the description; or even better, > >how about instead of the link displaying as > >"Embedded Linux Consortium" > >and pointing to the phpwebsite redirect crud, the link could

RE: [Leaf-devel] New Disk images name

2001-03-22 Thread jdnewmil
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Steven Peck wrote: > I think the new image should remain hard to spell. :) > > Kilamanjaro? Kilimanjaro was the predecessor to Materhorn. > Maybe change the series name completly > Sea - because install is such a breeze > Plastic - because it can recycle old hardware > Al

Re: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any response to this

2001-03-21 Thread jdnewmil
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > "Plagiarize... don't let it evade your eyes..." :) > > Is this a slight misquote of Tom Lehrer's "Lobachevsky" (Don't let other's > work evade your eyes...), or some other reference? My old boss, R.G. Spears, used this phrase. I don't know w

Re: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any response to this

2001-03-20 Thread jdnewmil
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Paul Batozech wrote: > Steven Peck wrote: [...] > > Worse than slaughtering HTML, different. With HTML you say BOLD or ITALICS > > or CENTER, etc. With Docbook you don't. You say words > > and the DTD when fed through Openjade with determine HOW the emphasis is > > handl