Re: Leo settings revamp (was Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users))

2014-06-10 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor wrote: >> A clever idea. However, I don't understand how this would work. Are >> the "copied" nodes actually cross-file clones? > > No, just a one time "copy on demand" from leoSettings.leo to > myLeoSettings.leo. Oh! Delightfully

Re: Leo settings revamp (was Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users))

2014-06-10 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 06:33:48 -0500 "Edward K. Ream" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:20 PM, 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor > wrote: > > > E.g. from the Settings menu: > > > > Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts > > > > would open myLeoSettings.leo at the appropriate place (copying > > nodes in from

Re: Leo settings revamp (was Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users))

2014-06-10 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:20 PM, 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor wrote: > E.g. from the Settings menu: > > Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts > > would open myLeoSettings.leo at the appropriate place (copying nodes in > from LeoSettings.leo if needed), so the user would be looking at a node > with the

Re: Leo settings revamp (was Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users))

2014-06-09 Thread Fidel N
Im also very grateful. This has been my main concern about newbies eversince I joined Leo. Everyone is used to edit the basic config from a menu-like structure, only programmers can directly do that from an outline :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Leo settings revamp (was Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users))

2014-06-09 Thread dufriz
I am so glad all this is happening, at last! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send e

Leo settings revamp (was Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users))

2014-06-09 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 10:06:09 -0700 (PDT) duf...@gmail.com wrote: > As an alternative to a restructuring of the settings, I propose a > menu-based simplified access to the settings, which will let the user > zoom-in to the relevant part of the settings file. The most commonly > used settings (fon

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-06-09 Thread dufriz
As an alternative to a restructuring of the settings, I propose a menu-based simplified access to the settings, which will let the user zoom-in to the relevant part of the settings file. The most commonly used settings (font color and size, background color, etc.) would have an entry in the me

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-06-09 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 10:42:36 -0500 "'Terry Brown' via leo-editor" wrote: > But you're right, ultimately it's just a matter of finding time. Baby steps, I just added color and font selection tools to LeoSettings, with the intent they be automatically copied into myLeoSettings when the latter's cre

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-06-09 Thread Kent Tenney
Along these lines, I recall discussion of a possible clean-up of key bindings, a number of out-of-the-box bindings being somewhat obscure, and limiting availability for user-defined ones. I don't, however, recall the conclusion of the discussion. Thanks, Kent On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:42 AM, 'Ter

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-06-09 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Todd Mars wrote: > > > There is no reason why the settings cannot be made user friendly, > other than the work involved. > Simply enumerating the specific problems from the beginning, and > designing a friendly user interface to perform the tasks. > When

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-06-09 Thread Todd Mars
There is no reason why the settings cannot be made user friendly, other than the work involved. Simply enumerating the specific problems from the beginning, and designing a friendly user interface to perform the tasks. When that is done, a good programmer can do it. Todd. -- You received this

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-15 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Edward K. Ream wrote: I'm convinced by Lawrence Lessig: we urgently need small-dollar funded campaigns. Googling "small dollar elections" will send you to various relevant bills and organizations. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-15 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM, wgw wrote: > there are still reasons to work on GOOD THINGS (™) without abandoning the > work against the BAD THINGS (®). I agree completely. > I particularly appreciate Lessig's Google presentation > (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik1AK56FtVc) and TED talk >

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-15 Thread wgw
Not wanting to stoke the flames of debate nor the paralysis of despair (human reactions to the daily news), I do want to suggest that however dark things are, in the US in particular --i.e. somewhere between the McCarthy era and the rise of the Nazis in Germany --, there are still reasons to wo

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-15 Thread dufriz
> > Perhaps my reply was unclear. I was attempting to say why, for now at > least, > I personally am not interested in working on Leo. This may change in > the future, especially as my health improves. Or not. > > Edward > > I see. All the more reason for wishing you a speedy recovery, then

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 5:02 PM, wrote: > Edward, I am a bit baffled by your answer. > Is asking for more user friendliness something incompatible with Leo's > philosophy? Not at all. Perhaps my reply was unclear. I was attempting to say why, for now at least, I personally am not interested in

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-14 Thread dufriz
Edward, I am a bit baffled by your answer. Is asking for more user friendliness something incompatible with Leo's philosophy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 10:15 PM, wrote: > I am a long-time lurker on this newsgroup, and I have noticed that in the > last few months there have been significant improvements to Leo, in the > hopes of making it more accessible to the non-technical crowd. Leo seems insignificant at present. I ha

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-14 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Wed, 14 May 2014 08:58:33 +0300 "Ville M. Vainio" wrote: > Git is sometimes used to maintain e.g. design assets and > documentation. > > I guess non-technical people will learn to use git when it's > mandatory part of their work. :-) My interest / surprise is that software-carpentry.org tea

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-13 Thread Ville M. Vainio
Git is sometimes used to maintain e.g. design assets and documentation. I guess non-technical people will learn to use git when it's mandatory part of their work. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM, 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor < leo-editor@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On Fri, 9 May 2014 20:13:17 -0

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-12 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Fri, 9 May 2014 20:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Richard Cranium wrote: > Like all the non-technical people that managed to learn git? I don't quite understand your comment, and I'm considering trying to teach non-technical people git, so I'm curious. Is there a context where you see a lot of non-techni

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-12 Thread Richard Cranium
Like all the non-technical people that managed to learn git? On Saturday, May 3, 2014 10:15:17 PM UTC-5, duf...@gmail.com wrote: > > I am a long-time lurker on this newsgroup, and I have noticed that in the > last few months there have been significant improvements to Leo, in the > hopes of maki

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-05 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Mon, 5 May 2014 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) duf...@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks for the explanation, Terry. > I think the solution lies in the middle ground that you propose, and > which I was already looking forward to. But I thought it was going to > be implemented months ago! Things seem to have stall

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-05 Thread dufriz
Thanks for the explanation, Terry. I think the solution lies in the middle ground that you propose, and which I was already looking forward to. But I thought it was going to be implemented months ago! Things seem to have stalled, after an initial flurry of activity (videocasts, etc) in the right

Re: Why Leo is not yet ready for prime time (for most users)

2014-05-05 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
I think why Leo behaves as it does and how it should behave are complicated by the problem of defining what Leo is. Config. user friendliness wise I think there's a possible middle way solution where we make the Leoine way easy for non-technical users. I.e. a settings menu with a hierarchy that l